Lowe's pulls ads from All-American Muslim.

[Austin]

I see that Bank of America has joined Lowe's in the stupidity.

http://www.nationofchange.org/lowe-s-ba ... 1323621702

[Boogalou]

I see that Bank of America has joined Lowe's in the stupidity.

http://www.nationofchange.org/lowe-s-ba ... 1323621702

As they should because, you know, multiculturalism is bad for unspecified reasons. Or something.

According to the white-straight-conservative-Christian-American-Protestant-two parent-middle class-appropriate number of kids-family association "65 of 67 companies it has targeted have pulled their ads, including Bank of America, the Campbell Soup Co., Dell, Estee Lauder, General Motors, Goodyear, Green Mountain Coffee, McDonalds, Sears, and Wal-Mart." But it can't be confirmed.

[CanadianHippie]

Why the silence on why multiculteralism is bad?

Maybe they are trying to find a way to word it without sounding like racist pricks? I say "good luck with that". Or they don't have a reason they just like going along with whatever some white guy with a bunch of letters after his name that have nothing to do with sociology or cultural studies says.

[fakepigtails73]

You're gonna wait a long time for my explanation, and I do have one.

I just don't feel like being egged-on by strangers for a different opinion.

Case close on my part.

[FakePigtails]

I only watched the first episode of this show and it didn't seem problematic . . . but that's the problem with it? Or something? As an American I'm completely humiliated to see this reaction.

[Alecto]

You're gonna wait a long time for my explanation, and I do have one.

I just don't feel like being egged-on by strangers for a different opinion.

Case close on my part.

If you opinion can not stand up to scrutiny, is it valid? I learned that in my freshman level ethics class.

[fakepigtails73]

Oh I'm sure it does stand!

I just don't feel like debating my side at 10h50PM on a sunday night after I've taken some meds (prescribed, snerk!). That's all!

[Boogalou]

Oh I'm sure it does stand!

I just don't feel like debating my side at 10h50PM on a sunday night after I've taken some meds (prescribed, snerk!). That's all!

So does that mean you will tell us your thoughts, just not tonight?

[CanadianHippie]

You'll have to colour me suspicious then. And don't go thinking I will forget you said you hand one and we just had to wait, because I tend not to forget a whole lot.

[Buzzard]

I have a magic box that tells me all of your secrets... but you cant see it because I took some prescribed meds too and want to go to sleep.

[CanadianHippie]

So! I have a unicorn whose mane is made from a fine, solid gold thread. It's going to make me rich because it's all real and the hair is always growing. I'd post a picture but I drank a healers brew and now I'm going to pass out until my prince[ss] charming kisses me.

[gardenvarietycitizen]

Oh yeah? Well the lurkers support me in email, so there.

/yay for fine, fine prescription medications from this side of the house, also...

[Alecto]

Oh yeah? Well the lurkers support me in email, so there.

/yay for fine, fine prescription medications from this side of the house, also...

SILENT PM ARMY FTW!

[JesusFightClub]

Very very few delis around here offer halal meat. Even in places with higher Muslim populations it was hard to find halal meat. They just can't afford to keep it stocked.

Man, really? Where I used to live (and this was Scotland) everything was halal if you went to a non big box shop. Try to find a non halal takeaway after a night out, you'd be struggling. Never bothered me as long as the kebabs were tasty ;)

This is a benefit of multiculturalism no one has yet mentioned...NICE FOOD! Polish, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Ethiopian, Turkish, Indian, Arab, all these cultures have great food and it can be bought within a bus journey of my house. Which reminds me, we are out of kimchi.

[Maul the Koala]

Man, really? Where I used to live (and this was Scotland) everything was halal if you went to a non big box shop. Try to find a non halal takeaway after a night out, you'd be struggling. Never bothered me as long as the kebabs were tasty ;)

This is a benefit of multiculturalism no one has yet mentioned...NICE FOOD! Polish, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Ethiopian, Turkish, Indian, Arab, all these cultures have great food and it can be bought within a bus journey of my house. Which reminds me, we are out of kimchi.

I'm Canuckistanian. I have friends who used to work in various delis around the city and it was very hard to find halal meat. My friends said the owners didn't see the point in offering it since it cost too much, too much work, etc. Also keep in mind my area of Canada isn't as accepting of multi-culturalism as others so that probably plays a bit into it too.

[demgirl]

Someone who is on a computer [i am on my phone.] Should report the Lowes/Facebook page debacle to Gawker. They would be all over this story.

[annalena]

OK, I tried googling the disadvantages/downside to multiculturalism and all I can turn up is bunch of stuff that makes no sense and is incredibly racist. So can the people who are arguing this help me out? What are the disadvantages of multiculturalism? What "Western values" are Muslims failing to adapt to? And why is leftist indoctrination not working since clearly people still have a variety of thoughts (see: annalena and fakepigtails73)?

P.S. Fakepigtails73 where'd your picture go? I liked it!

Just really quick cause my thesis has to be done more or less in three days, and no, it's not about multiculturalism, racism, or any related topic, for that matter:

- Unarguably European birth rates go down, so immigration will be needed, just it can be argued if that means all immigrants are contributing to the society.

I don't have issued with a big percentage of our immigrants. But with some I do

- Being Muslim is hardly a race, so it's not exactly racist to say you have issues with Muslim immigrants

- The leftist indoctrination which I like to call it is "educating" people through schools and media that the only way to go is being all for immigration. And it is working since people are being told off as soon as the dare to not think the right way

- I just hate the whitewashing that shows like All-American Muslim do, blissfully ignoring the issues that the clashing of different cultures and value systems have.

[annalena]

Man, really? Where I used to live (and this was Scotland) everything was halal if you went to a non big box shop. Try to find a non halal takeaway after a night out, you'd be struggling. Never bothered me as long as the kebabs were tasty ;)

This is a benefit of multiculturalism no one has yet mentioned...NICE FOOD! Polish, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Ethiopian, Turkish, Indian, Arab, all these cultures have great food and it can be bought within a bus journey of my house. Which reminds me, we are out of kimchi.

Yes, this is a benefit. I don't disagree that there are benefits, but please can we openly talk about the problems, too.

And why did it take me so long to answer?

Because, um, it's 8: 30 am here and I was, y'know, sleeping.

[JesusFightClub]

Eh, who's moaning about answer times? It's 7.30 here and I am only awake because I am an insomniac ;)

As for problems and benefits, we surely need to define terms first. You are using immigration and multiculturalism interchangeably, but they mean two different things.

[annalena]

Eh, who's moaning about answer times? It's 7.30 here and I am only awake because I am an insomniac ;)

As for problems and benefits, we surely need to define terms first. You are using immigration and multiculturalism interchangeably, but they mean two different things.

Go back a couple of pages and you'll see people moaning about answer times.

How does multiculturalism without immigration first exist?

[JesusFightClub]

Because "culture" doesn't automatically mean "race, nationality, religion".

Say, you and me. I think it is fair to say we live very different lives and in very different cultural settings. But we are both from a European shared background. We just, in lifestyle and beliefs, have little in common.

And I'm not "nice" where Muslims are mean. I'm a revolutionary socialist. Some Muslims want sharia law. I want a revolution (and I fully expect it to be a less than peaceful one) followed by a transition to socialism and eventually communism. Do I get a free pass because I was born and brought up here, received a Christian education, and am white?

[annalena]

Because "culture" doesn't automatically mean "race, nationality, religion".

Say, you and me. I think it is fair to say we live very different lives and in very different cultural settings. But we are both from a European shared background. We just, in lifestyle and beliefs, have little in common.

And I'm not "nice" where Muslims are mean. I'm a revolutionary socialist. Some Muslims want sharia law. I want a revolution (and I fully expect it to be a less than peaceful one) followed by a transition to socialism and eventually communism. Do I get a free pass because I was born and brought up here, received a Christian education, and am white?

I never said I did not have problems with Leninists ;)

Let's look at it, what is culture?

I believe most here know the definition by Hofstede.

I also believe culture is strongly related to value systems.

While I think yours and mine are worlds apart (God knows I think communism is about the worst thing that could possibly happen), I still believe they're closer than mine and most Muslim immigrant's or yours and most Muslim immigrant's.

I have a feeling we both support women's right to work outside of the home, her right to education, disagree with patriarchy.

When it comes down to it: Do some people have more right to live in one place because they were born there? Isn't that really the quesion?

Ok, that's it from me for the next hours, I've got to get the hell outta here and find some movies on intrapreneurship and write about 10 pages today. :shock:

[CanadianHippie]

When it comes down to it: Do some people have more right to live in one place because they were born there? Isn't that really the quesion?

No it's not really the question. We are talking about multiculturalism, not nation of birth. There are plenty of people born in the western world who follow cultures from their parents, or their grandparents cultures. Sometimes it's not obvious (my dad's family will hold a wake when someone dies), sometimes it is (my Chinese friend, born in Canada, who recently got married had a Chinese wedding where she and her husband served tea for each others parents).

[Sola]

Man, really? Where I used to live (and this was Scotland) everything was halal if you went to a non big box shop. Try to find a non halal takeaway after a night out, you'd be struggling. Never bothered me as long as the kebabs were tasty ;)

This is a benefit of multiculturalism no one has yet mentioned...NICE FOOD! Polish, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Ethiopian, Turkish, Indian, Arab, all these cultures have great food and it can be bought within a bus journey of my house. Which reminds me, we are out of kimchi.

That's the same around here too! All the take-away places are run by Asians so are halal. Frankly I couldn't care less, as long as it tastes good :D

We have a very large Muslim population in our town and we have a great Asian shopping area in one part of the town. Great fabric shops (I'm a crafter so that is a win for me), a huge Asian supermarket which sells lots of 'exotic' produce which are dirt cheap - things that cost a huge premium in regular supermarkets and naan/chappatti bakery which will prepare your flat breads in front of you while you wait (steaming hot naan fresh from the tandoor is lush!), and a couple of Asian confectionery shops (I'm a sucker for gulab jamun). There's Iranian, Turkish, Indian, Pakistani and now Eastern European deli's all within 4 miles of my house. I consider that to be a bonus!

[Daenerys]

On problem I can think with Multiculturalism is that it can end up isolating people within their community rather than encouraging greater integration overall.

One of my friends used to work in a private boarding school that takes a lot of pupils from China, Russia and the Middle East as well as England. They used to have a rule saying that pupils could speak any language they wanted in the dorms, but had to speak English in class and on campus. This was so everyone could communicate equally with one another, however after an inspection they were told this wasn't 'multicultural' enough and they had to tell the pupils they could speak to each other in whatever language they wanted. So whereas before there were Chinese, Russian, Saudi and English pupils hanging out in mixed groups, it quickly became homogenous groups speaking their own native language. I should point out everybody could communicate fluently in English as this was a very competitive school academic-wise.

So there's an example of multiculturalism not actually working very well. Doesn't mean I think it's universally shit, but in this case definitely.