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Refuting the Seven Myths of the Radical Left About Thanksgiv


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Doug and his lot just use "Marxist" as a catchall term for "anyone who says something I disagree with". Almost impossible to reconcile some of the descriptions of what these "Marxists" are supposed to be getting up to with what we actually get up to, which is distinctly less exciting.*

Would it have killed Doug to go and actually speak to the Native Americans who were protesting, in a genuine way, instead of just shouting from the Bible then coming back home and writing a wanky blog post? Oh yeah. It's Doug. Stupid question.

*Minor pet peeve. Seen pics on fundielite blogs of people hooded and masked on demos captioned "Marxist agitators". If they are hooded and masked they are likely anarchists - I am the only Marxist I know who does this now and again - and they will not thank you for the mislabelling.

Yet another example of how fundies cannot tell us heathens apart or make fine distinctions or understand nuance. If they are going to complain about stuff they should at least try to understand what they are complaining about.

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Doug and his lot just use "Marxist" as a catchall term for "anyone who says something I disagree with". Almost impossible to reconcile some of the descriptions of what these "Marxists" are supposed to be getting up to with what we actually get up to, which is distinctly less exciting.*

Agree. Marxist, radical left, evolutionist, feminist, humanist, secular. All words that Doug and his lot deliberately misuse, to try to ensure their followers will misunderstand, will not think about their meaning or will acquire a new and negative meaning. Not a new technique in propaganda, I'm sure.

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Update: Doug's rant against Thanksgiving excess and for Thanksgiving simplicity doesn't seem to prevent him from wholeheartedly espousing modern marketing techniques: Vision Forum is vigorously advertising a Black Friday special.

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Well that made me want to quote The West Wing.

Sam Seaborn: Well over three and half centuries ago, strengthened by faith and bound by a common desire for liberty, a small band of pilgrims sought out a place in the New World where they could worship according to their own beliefs - and solve crimes.

Toby Ziegler: Sam...

Sam Seaborn: It'd be good.

Toby Ziegler: Read the thing.

Sam Seaborn: By day they churn butter and worship according to their own beliefs, and by night they solve crimes.

Toby Ziegler: Read the thing.

Sam Seaborn: Pilgrim detectives.

Toby Ziegler: Do you see me laughing?

Sam Seaborn: I think you're laughing on the inside.

Toby Ziegler: OK.

Sam Seaborn: With the big hats.

Just as much truth.

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Another myth, the Pilgrims did not come for religious freedom in the broad sense that we think of religious freedom. They came to practice their own religion but they weren't exactly friendly to other faiths.

Well, in fairness to the fundies, this appears to actually BE their definition of "religious freedom".

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Well, in fairness to the fundies, this appears to actually BE their definition of "religious freedom".

Well, that's true, but they are wrong when they think they practice the same brand of Christianity the Pilgrims and the Founding Fathers did. I love when they claim all of them were even Christian. Maybe in name...

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Why does Doug always make me barf in my mouth? Oh right, its Doug. Urgh!

On a side note, during my American law school I clerked for a Tribal Court judge and took several Indian Law courses taught by Native professors. The law courses always had "Indian" in the title. We were always told to refer to them as Indians in any official context, especially in any Court documents or applications to the government. We were given lists on names that were OK and ones that were not. Indian was always on the OK list. However, I was awkward at using the word at first because coming from Canada that word is not used anymore, and is considered a racial slur. It was strange being told I had to use it when I was helping with court decisions or writing exams.

Edit to fix grammar.

I am from Boston and was taught never to refer to Native people as Indians, but when I went to the Southwest, the populations called themselves that. Add to it that I live with an Indian, well, it gets confusing.

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I expect him to be in a gay porn film called, "Plymouth Cock."

I am sad to admit that I know that film already exists. Doug would have to be in "Plymouth Cock II: The 2nd Cumming"

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Dougie always gets it wrong. It is, besides death and taxes, the only thing you can really count on in life.

I usually use Native American in the interest of clarity (and because it ticks me off that the settlers assumed they were in India and continued to call the natives 'Indians' even after it was clear that the initial analysis was incorrect). But the Native American locals in my area use Indian with a great deal of pride in the term, and I am currently trying unsuccessfully to register my oldest with the BIA, which would be the Bureau of Indian Affairs. I don't think Indian is a racist term anymore, but it is definitely not as succinct or clear as I prefer.

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I totally sympathize with the Indian-but-not-THAT-Indian dilemma, especially when dealing with preschoolers, but... not to pull the obnoxious we-didn't-grow-up-with-seatbelts-and-WE-survived card, but most of us did grow up with two kinds of Indians, and we managed to sort the two out without much confusion.

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I totally sympathize with the Indian-but-not-THAT-Indian dilemma, especially when dealing with preschoolers, but... not to pull the obnoxious we-didn't-grow-up-with-seatbelts-and-WE-survived card, but most of us did grow up with two kinds of Indians, and we managed to sort the two out without much confusion.

Friend of mine is American Indian and he prefers to say "dot or feather" when I say anything about Indians. :lol: I'm pretty sure it's something that shouldn't be repeated in polite company much less taught to children. I try to call people what they want to be called, so one of my friends is Native American, while another is American Indian and yet another is Cherokee.

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Update: Doug's rant against Thanksgiving excess and for Thanksgiving simplicity doesn't seem to prevent him from wholeheartedly espousing modern marketing techniques: Vision Forum is vigorously advertising a Black Friday special.

Bwahahahaaaaa!!! :lol:

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