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Well...Today it seems creepy because we expect girls to get a good education. My great-grandmother though, she was 14 when she met her husband, who was about 13 years her senior. They got married when she was 16. He was 29. They had happy marriage, but did not have the fundie attitude to life. They had three children. Times were different then and my great-grandmother was the eldest of 13 children (only 10 made it to adulthood) in a very poor, rural home so she had very little education. It was the 1910s, so women weren't even allowed to vote during this time. It was a century ago. I'm just saying that it's a new attitude to think young girls should be adults before marrying. Thinking that the man should be in jail for marrying a 15/16yo seems wrong since my great grandfather would be in jail with that attitude.

I'm glad things are different and I very much dislike the idea of this girl being married off by her dad so young. Even my great-grandmother met her spouse on her own. Her father did not decide who she'd marry and did not give her to him. The nutty submissive attitudes, quiet spirit, immaculate house and looking pretty for hubby when he comes home was not my great grandmother at all. She was a very religious person, but she spoke her mind and he loved that about her. Can't see these types of fundies feeling the same about their wives.

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:shock: If, when I was 13-14 years old, a man in his mid-twenties had told my father he was attracted to me he would have been shot on-site. And my parents got married when they were 16 (mom) and 20 (dad). My mom actually was mature for her age. She was the oldest of 5 and my grandmother was a single parent working 2 jobs to support her family, so my mom had to grow up fast. She would have slapped me silly if I had wanted to get married at 16 and my dad would never have allowed it. He wanted to make sure I was self-sufficient and could survive on my own if I needed to. He always encouraged me to be independent and think for myself. Reading this type of thing makes me so thankful that he is my father and not one of these nutjobs.

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100 years ago, women were valued for their ability to bear children and keep a home. Why not marry early? Adolescence was not realy existent at the time; children functioned as adults from a young age.

Now it seems creepy to me because we expect married couples to be companions and friends. Also, we allow children to take their time in transitioning to adulthood. A man should have nothing in common with a young teen girl, who in modern times is still very much a child.

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100 years ago, women were valued for their ability to bear children and keep a home. Why not marry early? Adolescence was not realy existent at the time; children functioned as adults from a young age.

Now it seems creepy to me because we expect married couples to be companions and friends. Also, we allow children to take their time in transitioning to adulthood. A man should have nothing in common with a young teen girl, who in modern times is still very much a child.

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For an even more disgusting picture of their marriage...http://www.lifeandlibertyministries.com ... 000151.php

I'm honestly sitting at my desk trying not to scare my coworkers by screaming and throwing things. this is just the most disgusting thing i've ever read. EVER.

:o :( That is seriously terrible. A teenage girl literally got pimped out to some creeper by her own father, and she didn't even know when it would happen. What the hell.

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The sidewalk counseling section is freaking me out. I clicked because I did not know what that was. It's where you block a woman's entrance to PP! lifeandlibertyministries.com/archives/cat_sidewalk_counseling.php Their instructions are appalling. Okay, I am called PP right now to volunteer. I did not know people were actually being advised on a national level to do this crap.

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The sidewalk counseling section is freaking me out. I clicked because I did not know what that was. It's where you block a woman's entrance to PP! lifeandlibertyministries.com/archives/cat_sidewalk_counseling.php Their instructions are appalling. Okay, I am called PP right now to volunteer. I did not know people were actually being advised on a national level to do this crap.

I have considered doing the same after reading about a former FB contact of mine who makes it a point to gather with her anti-choice friends in groups to go down and scream prayers at women going into PP.

I was aghast. After I unfriended her, I started to wonder how I could help counter that shit.

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100 years ago, women were valued for their ability to bear children and keep a home. Why not marry early? Adolescence was not realy existent at the time; children functioned as adults from a young age.

Now it seems creepy to me because we expect married couples to be companions and friends. Also, we allow children to take their time in transitioning to adulthood. A man should have nothing in common with a young teen girl, who in modern times is still very much a child.

One of my college classes (Sex, Values and Human Nature, awesome class) really delved into this.

Looking at a lot of our fundies that we follow, I'm finding a lot of lip service to the companion model, but at the core, marriage isn't for companionship. It's what I remember being called an ownership model.

It's going to be a rough road, as we continue to transition from centuries of one model to another.

(and it's just another, unspoken and unconcious, reason against gay marriage. Men can't "own" other men that way. And women, they can't "own" anyone.)

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I already called PP and left a message with the volunteer coordinator. Thank you, fundies, for inspiring me to get this done. I've been intending to do so for a while.

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The sidewalk counseling section is freaking me out. I clicked because I did not know what that was. It's where you block a woman's entrance to PP! lifeandlibertyministries.com/archives/cat_sidewalk_counseling.php Their instructions are appalling. Okay, I am called PP right now to volunteer. I did not know people were actually being advised on a national level to do this crap.

I drove by the PP in my neighborhood about an hour ago. There were 2 people outside praying. There are almost always a few people praying but I've never heard them praying out loud (I sometimes walk by) and they never block entrance. I think there's a city ordinance that they have to be a certain number of feet away from the entrance. There are escorts for the women. I've never seen posters with mutilated babies like the poster shown at that site. Did you see that photo? It was a whole line of posters posted right along the street, cars driving by. That shouldn't be allowed. The poster is so disturbing, if I was forced to view one while driving I might pull over and rip the posters up. And children who see that poster could have nightmares. Scare tactics don't work and shouldn't be allowed.

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100 years ago, women were valued for their ability to bear children and keep a home. Why not marry early? Adolescence was not realy existent at the time; children functioned as adults from a young age.

Now it seems creepy to me because we expect married couples to be companions and friends. Also, we allow children to take their time in transitioning to adulthood. A man should have nothing in common with a young teen girl, who in modern times is still very much a child.

I disagree with this. One of my very best friends is a man who is almost 20 years older than me. I've been friends with him since I was 17 and he was in his late-30's. Obviously, neither of us ever saw the other one as a potential romantic partner (he was married), but we wouldn't have become friends if we didn't have anything in common.

I also don't think that any man who looks at a teenage girl is automatically a disgusting creep. By the time I was 14, I looked like I was in my 20's at least (seriously, I had people ask me what I did for a living and then be shocked to find out I was still in junior high, someone even once mistook my brother and sister for my kids). So if a 30-year-old guy had thought I was hot, I would have assumed he thought I was much closer to his age than I actually was. I haven't seen any pictures of these people, so I can't say how old this girl looks and in general I don't think getting married at 15 is a good idea, but I hate the way our society wants people to only associate with those who are close in age. I wouldn't have half my friends if I bought into that.

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Wel,, y'know, ya gotta catch 'em while they're still young enough to believe that shit Daddy throws at them. Once they get past 16, they might even start accidentally thinking for themselves...

And she had been "groomed" for years by her dad, which is pretty classic child abuser tactics. Maybe not physically, but emotionally and intellectually for sure. At 15/16, I doubt she had a single thought in her head except the ones Daddy had given her.

There will be some children who are born with a storng sense of self, and can resist this type of daily brainwashing until they are old enough to break free, but the majority of us are more likely to simply accept this as our reality (given no exposure to "other" ways of thinking/behaving).

We all know people who have overcome the most horrific childhoods to achieve a decent life, but the mere fact that they are seen as exceptions tells us how hard it is to do. I like to think of myself as a strong individual, but if I had never known anything else, and never had a chance to experience anything else, I don't know but what I would've done what these two women did. :(

That's what gives me faint hope for at least some of the Duggar children. By engaging with TLC, their parents exposed them to far more than they would ever had seen/done otherwise. Maybe it's true - out of evil, can come good. Maybe THAT was God's plan for the Duggars - that they give up their childhoods for the chance to be free adults. Let's pray for that, anyway... :D

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100 years ago, women were valued for their ability to bear children and keep a home. Why not marry early? Adolescence was not realy existent at the time; children functioned as adults from a young age.

Now it seems creepy to me because we expect married couples to be companions and friends. Also, we allow children to take their time in transitioning to adulthood. A man should have nothing in common with a young teen girl, who in modern times is still very much a child.

Ok, I hate to be THAT poster, but demography has shown us that for the last 500 years (and probably longer) that the majority of women in the western world married around 25 and men around 27. A women was probably pregnant 7 times, gave birth 5 and raised 3. A great book on the subject is peter laslett's "the world we have lost." Yes, people did marry at 13 or have 15 kids, but they were the outliers as they are today.

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I disagree with this. One of my very best friends is a man who is almost 20 years older than me. I've been friends with him since I was 17 and he was in his late-30's. Obviously, neither of us ever saw the other one as a potential romantic partner (he was married), but we wouldn't have become friends if we didn't have anything in common.

I also don't think that any man who looks at a teenage girl is automatically a disgusting creep. By the time I was 14, I looked like I was in my 20's at least (seriously, I had people ask me what I did for a living and then be shocked to find out I was still in junior high, someone even once mistook my brother and sister for my kids). So if a 30-year-old guy had thought I was hot, I would have assumed he thought I was much closer to his age than I actually was. I haven't seen any pictures of these people, so I can't say how old this girl looks and in general I don't think getting married at 15 is a good idea, but I hate the way our society wants people to only associate with those who are close in age. I wouldn't have half my friends if I bought into that.

I kind of agree with this. So much really depends on the people involved. I have friends older than me, in their 80's and 90's, and I have friends younger than me, in their 30's and 40's. My BFF is young enough to be my daughter. One reason I don't want to live in senior housing, and would never consider a senior community like Sun City, is that I want friends of all ages. My grandmother always said her marriage was good even though her husband was 30 years older. Same with my parents and their 18 year difference. There are 2 teens in my apt complex that are years beyond their peers in behavior and demeanor. One is an 8th grader who plays cello, she has some old men in the building who are her friends because of their shared interest in classical music. There is nothing inappropriate in their interaction at all. The other is a senior in high school, lives in a polyamoros home. She is into anything having to do with the renaissance period, and her friends are all different ages.

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On the plus side, if she's rushing to her baby's side and reveling in the bliss that is baby, 5x a night maybe its safe to assume they're not Pearl supporters?

He might be younger than we think- I met my husband when he was 20 and he was already starting to bald. Bad genetics yo. :(

however the getting married at 15? creepy as hell. She should be going out to see Twilight with her girlfriends, not with 2 under 2!

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Ok, I hate to be THAT poster, but demography has shown us that for the last 500 years (and probably longer) that the majority of women in the western world married around 25 and men around 27. A women was probably pregnant 7 times, gave birth 5 and raised 3. A great book on the subject is peter laslett's "the world we have lost." Yes, people did marry at 13 or have 15 kids, but they were the outliers as they are today.

I know from doing my own family's genealogy that there were very few teenaged marriages. I have found the mid 20's to be the most common age for marriage, and with first marriages the bride and groom were close to one another in age. Men often were widowed when a wife died, most often in childbirth. When he remarried it was usually to a younger woman, and often a sibling of his late wife's. I have so many ancestors where siblings married another set of siblings so lots of double cousins. I suspect this was fairly common, given that communities were fairly isolated from other communities prior to automobile travel.

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O Latin she in her wedding pictures she looks super young, maybe 13 or so. They have some pictures of her with some little kids (I don't know if they are her siblings or what) but even in her weeding dress she is barely distinguishable from them. She just looks so young, almost like a little kid playing dress up.

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She does look very young, although I still probably would have guessed her to be 18-20 if I hadn't known how old she was (but I admit to being horrible at guessing ages). I think the kid-playing-dress-up effect comes more from the fact that her dress appears to be about two sizes too big, though.

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I was reading through her blog and it looks like she had a miscarriage at the end of May 2010 and exactly a month later announced she was pregnant again. You would think that she would wait a bit for announcing another pregnancy. She must of been barely a few weeks along.

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I disagree with this. One of my very best friends is a man who is almost 20 years older than me. I've been friends with him since I was 17 and he was in his late-30's. Obviously, neither of us ever saw the other one as a potential romantic partner (he was married), but we wouldn't have become friends if we didn't have anything in common. . . . I hate the way our society wants people to only associate with those who are close in age. I wouldn't have half my friends if I bought into that.

The only person I could really relate to as a teenager was, in fact, a man in his thirties. In fact, the drama-free friendships (except for one with a girl my age) were all with older men. I don't think any of them saw me that way--and sometimes I wished! I grew up thinking men got better with age! But none of them ever laid a finger on me, except when I jumped them for hugs. I am a great believer in hugs. :)

I don't know. Maybe that's an only-child thing. And I did attempt to have relationships with guys my own age or only slightly older. It's just that things never worked, not once, not even when I was an adult. I feel so fundamentally disconnected from my generation.

Not that Maranatha would've been raised the way I was, to even try it out with guys her age. That's kind of sad, because maybe she would've been happy with one of them if she'd been given half a chance. But if she's happy now, despite her father's machinations, shit, I can't blame her for taking happiness where she found it. Happiness seems so rare among these people.

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She definitely looks like a kid... and he looks like an older bald man, which he is.

DSCF0795.jpg She doesn't even look that happy. I can't blame her.

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She definitely looks like a kid... and he looks like an older bald man, which he is.

DSCF0795.jpg She doesn't even look that happy. I can't blame her.

I agree that in this photo he definitely looks much older but in other photos not so much. I think I read he's 11 years older so that's not an obscene number of years. She definitely looks very young, and in this photo not so happy. But again, in other photos she looks happy.

As for bald, my younger son has a h.s. classmate who was starting to bald in high school, and was bald by 22.

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What she reminds me of is that episode of Law and Order: SVU about the girl who had some genetic condition that made her look way younger than she actually is. In the episode, I think she was supposed to be 17 but look 12 or something. It never rang true to me because the actress playing the girl already looked older than 17, I thought. Anyway, to me, this girl looks like someone older who looks younger, if that makes any sense.

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My husband was 18 when I met him and was already starting to lose his hair so when I look at this guy, I can see how his hair (or lack of) would make him look older. I agree in some pics he looks older and some pics he doesn't look that old at all. Lauren looks 12 to me.

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I think I read he's 11 years older so that's not an obscene number of years.

Well, we all have our own definitions of obscene, of course. I have an 8-year-old. The idea that a currently 19-year-old adult man could be interested in her in a few more years is pretty obscene to me.

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