Zsuzsanna re: Duggars/Michelle (MERGED)

[alysee]

She has a blog post commenting on the comments of others. Oi. It's great. She talks about the overpopulation myth a little bit. Just read it and get ready to bang your head on a wall.

[annalena]

Link please! :geek:

[ophelia]

stevenandersonfamily.blogspot.com

what can I say? It's ZsuZsu..

[annalena]

Just a number of random comments:

She really said she's answering on Michelle's behalf? When will she let her know about that, um,service?

A woman's eggs are extended while pregnant?!

While I would LOVE to live TV free, there is no way in hell I could take care of 20 :shock: children. 5 is my absolute max.

Unfortunately, my boyfriend is not in on the TV free part.

[lilwriter85]

ZsuZsu misinterpreted the comment about the girls having too many obligations to their family. The person who made that comment isn't saying the Duggars shouldn't do anything for their family, the person is saying that the girls should be experiencing certain things on their own.The J'Slaves do way too much for their family. I have known other young people who help out their parents and sblings, but they don't do it to an extreme.

Zsu is also using the "debt free, they don't live on government assistance" defense of the Duggars. The Duggars would probably be in debt without TLC after Josie's birth.

[Beb]

Zsu is also using the "debt free, they don't live on government assistance" defense of the Duggars. The Duggars would probably be in debt without TLC after Josie's birth.

Zsu also comments on the "dimwits" who know nothing about homeschooling and living "tv-free." Oh, the irony. The Duggars support themselves because of a TV SHOW.

I'm always struck by ZsuZsu's hateful and condescending tone--such a wonderful, Christ-like attitude. This is also highlighted in her previous posts about the pregnant woman who forgot to pay for a couple of sandwiches at Safeway and was arrested. Someone asked Zsu if she would be so outraged if the offender had been a homosexual or some other form of what Zsu considers an infidel.

[lilwriter85]

Zsu also comments on the "dimwits" who know nothing about homeschooling and living "tv-free." Oh, the irony. The Duggars support themselves because of a TV SHOW.

I'm always struck by ZsuZsu's hateful and condescending tone--such a wonderful, Christ-like attitude. This is also highlighted in her previous posts about the pregnant woman who forgot to pay for a couple of sandwiches at Safeway and was arrested. Someone asked Zsu if she would be so outraged if the offender had been a homosexual or some other form of what Zsu considers an infidel.

I saw that comment regarding homeschooling and living tv free. ZsuZsu probably doesn't see the irony. It kind of reminds me of one time in an interview Michelle said that the family didn't have cable because it would be like having garbage delivered to their home, but yet part of the reason the Duggars have show is because of cable and satellite subscribers.

[fundiefan]

I'm not sure whether it is ironic or just plain pathetic. Zuzu defending the Duggars. One crazy taking up the cause of another crazy. Maybe it's just fitting.

TV free is a joke when the Duggars say it.

I'd never be TV free. I have no desire to. I do not, however, sit in front of it every chance I get. I got days and days without even turning it on. I watch what I want to watch, not what is on just for the sake of it. Admittedly, there is a hell of a lot of crap on TV - particularly the so called 'reality' shows - that I won't waste my aging brain power on, ever. Throwing it away because of the crap that is aired is throwing the baby out with the bath water, as far as I'm concerned. I just don't watch the crap. It's easy to do, really.

[Effie]

Zsu is also using the "debt free, they don't live on government assistance" defense of the Duggars. The Duggars would probably be in debt without TLC after Josie's birth.

Precisely. I also understand that the church has helped them before. I doubt the Duggars would be able to support themselves financially, without benevolent and generous people and TLC.

[lilwriter85]

Precisely. I also understand that the church has helped them before. I doubt the Duggars would be able to support themselves financially, without benevolent and generous people and TLC.

Yup their former church used to help and other churches around them also use to help as well. Boob and Mullet have admitted to this in the past. They used to receive clothing donations from people in their town.

I think Boob's businesses probably do well but I doubt he could support the family solely on those businesses. After the show ends, we all know the Duggars won't have the money to be traveling all over the world.

[contrary]

especially lovely is how much better off the duggar 20 are than the child of sodomites!

she's such a delight.

which one of you smacked down latisha in the comments?

[onlyorganic]

Oh yes, they are only doing it for the show. That's why they had more than a dozen children DEBT FREE and without government assistance before the world had ever even heard the name "Jim Bob Duggar".

You know, I haven't heard diddly squat about how the Duggars lived "debt-free" (other than they have rental properties) prior to the show coming out. Maybe because before there was a show no one gave a crap about them? Maybe I am being lazy, but how the fuck does a man in his mid-20s acquire rental properties unless, of course, it's properties owned by the family previously or he put up a boatload of cash hopin' and prayin' that he'd get returns. Either way, the misconception that careful living and praying put the Duggars in their current financial state is bullshit. It's like Johnny Depp saying he lives debt-free and we could too. It's like a dude who's a company CEO (courtesy of his pa ownin' the company) telling someone who works a computer programming job to pay off his college debt, that because of life choices and poor living he's got debt to pay off. It's apples and oranges.

Personally, I am sick of Jim Bob's smug face telling the world he lives debt-free. TLC pays for everything on that show. If an average child (meaning, not someone on TV) was born with Josie's health problems I couldn't imagine a family surviving when all of their cash would be going for medical expenses. An "average family" can't take their family of 21 on a tour of Europe. Yet this asshole continues to tell me I can take a course and be debt-free? Yes... Jim Bob if you care so much about me being debt-free why don't you offer a free download on your website? Huh? Huh?

This was by far one of Zsu's most disgusting rants. First of all, I doubt she's ever seen the show since, ya know, they are better than us and don't watch TV? Second, most people are horrified by this family's greed for the spotlight and willingness to believe God's work is done through pimpin' out their kids. I don't see anyone mentioning overpopulation. I genuinely see people concerned for the family's welfare. And again, Zsu's wildcard assumption that anyone who's gay is a pervert and anyone who comes from a divorced home has issues is just proof that she's smarter than us all. Oh and lookie, that twit Sarah in Ireland chimed in too. For a country that produces something as wonderful as Guinness, I can forgive them Sarah. /end rant.

[lilah]

OnlyOrganic- Well let's realize that real estate in middle of nowhere Arkansas isn't that steep, you might be able to manage it especially when Jimboob was working two jobs when he first got married. From most accounts I've heard he's a relativly shrewd salesman and has had some success there. But he got lucky in that he leased some land to a cell phone company to put in a tower, so that also helped the bottom line out a lot.

Let's also not forget that the Duggars can be debt free also because they cut corners on their children's quality of life. They feed their kids cheap processed crap food, can't be arsed to buy beds for Hannie, Jennifer or Jordyn or real, or buy non flip flop shoes for the J-Slaves.

[Beeks]

"But oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, a husband and wife who love each other and have raised nothing but friendly, happy, caring children are an abomination because they don't feel the need to get perverted gadgets or drugs before enjoying the marriage relationship."

She thinks people dislike the Duggars because the Duggars don't have sex toys and viagra?

[Daenerys]

ZsuZsu misinterpreted the comment about the girls having too many obligations to their family. The person who made that comment isn't saying the Duggars shouldn't do anything for their family, the person is saying that the girls should be experiencing certain things on their own.The J'Slaves do way too much for their family. I have known other young people who help out their parents and sblings, but they don't do it to an extreme.

Zsu is also using the "debt free, they don't live on government assistance" defense of the Duggars. The Duggars would probably be in debt without TLC after Josie's birth.

They probably wouldn't, actually, due to the fact that 1. Arkansas takes care of preemies on the state up to a certain level and 2. JimBob has funded insurance thanks to his role as a legislator.

Totally not taking any public funds, are they? I mean it's not welfare and money they are legit entitled to, but still... it's not theirs.

[FundiesInMyFamily]

Zsu needs to ask Joshie about being TV free :lol:

[theologygeek]

She buys the episodes with Amazon's video on demand.

[lilwriter85]

Like onlyorganic, I'm also sick of Jim Bob constantly bragging about being debt free. I do commend people for being debt free, but they don't need to smug about it. Sometimes I get the feeling that Boob and Mullet think that all people that have debt, have it because of bad choices. Yes there are some that end up in debt because of compulsive shopping, maxing out credit cards etc, but some have debt because of college, health problems or medical bills that aren't completely covered by insurances. Other reasons people end up with debt can vary unexpected house repairs or other necessary expenses that happen in life. I remember once on the TLC boards, one poster made a thread saying that he was fed up with the Duggars bragging about being debt free. This guy said he had debt from student loans and health issue that wasn't completely covered by insurances. He said was doing his best to pay off debts. I felt for that guy because I also have student loan debt. My debt isn't big and I'm still paying it off. I look at student loans as an investment in a way.

It is a joke for Boob to be bragging about being debt free because like lilah said he and Mullet have cut corners in some of the things they buy for their kids. The family's trips are paid for by TLC. I laughed in the NYC episode when Boob was "bitching" about subway tickets, because most of us with brains know that the cash for the tickets was from TLC. Boob can't fool everyone.

[lilwriter85]

She buys the episodes with Amazon's video on demand.

I wondered for awhile, if she was watching the show through DVD's or something. It makes sense that she watches through VOD since tv is evil. She probably doesn't mind paying $2.00 per episode. Maybe she thinks she is helping support the Duggars. The Duggars probably don't make much from VOD and DVD sales.

[FundiesInMyFamily]

My fundie/QF step-sister is "tv free" but the headship put a 'tv card' (I'm not a techie but thats what he called it, I assumed it was some sort of add on chip) into their computer so he could watch baseball & football games. I wonder what else he watches?? Even those who claim to be 'tv free' probably aren't entirely free of things on tv.

[lilwriter85]

My fundie/QF step-sister is "tv free" but the headship put a 'tv card' (I'm not a techie but thats what he called it, I assumed it was some sort of add on chip) into their computer so he could watch baseball & football games. I wonder what else he watches?? Even those who claim to be 'tv free' probably aren't entirely free of things on tv.

I agree nobody is really "tv free".

[slickcat79]

You know, I haven't heard diddly squat about how the Duggars lived "debt-free" (other than they have rental properties) prior to the show coming out. Maybe because before there was a show no one gave a crap about them? Maybe I am being lazy, but how the fuck does a man in his mid-20s acquire rental properties unless, of course, it's properties owned by the family previously or he put up a boatload of cash hopin' and prayin' that he'd get returns. Either way, the misconception that careful living and praying put the Duggars in their current financial state is bullshit. It's like Johnny Depp saying he lives debt-free and we could too. It's like a dude who's a company CEO (courtesy of his pa ownin' the company) telling someone who works a computer programming job to pay off his college debt, that because of life choices and poor living he's got debt to pay off. It's apples and oranges.

They describe it in some detail in their first book. When JB & Michelle first got married, he worked multiple jobs and she worked as well. Given what's happened with Josh recently, I would say it's likely that JB's parents gave them a house to live in. Mary Duggar still owns quite a few properties in Washington Co. I can see that a 2-3 income household with almost no living expenses could save up enough to buy property in a relatively short time, especially when you live in BF nowhere Arkansas. JB waited for the best prices on properties and then bargained for even better deals so that they could pay cash for various pieces of land. People have made fortunes off of real estate investments, and if JB managed to pick up some skills in that area from his parents, I don't think it's a huge stretch to think he could make money from rental properties. I will give JB&M a small measure of credit for their self-discipline; not many young couples would be willing to work that hard and go without luxuries to save money. They also hadn't quite gulped the koolaid yet and waited over 4 years before having their first child. I would consider that probably the smartest decision they've ever made in their marriage, but they would probably consider it one of their biggest regrets.

All that being said, they still gloss over any assistance they may have gotten from JB's family and ignore the sheer luck (which they don't believe in) that it takes to make money effectively from real estate. And we've all seen what happened once the economy started tanking. Investments weren't enough to support them anymore, so they decided to pimp out the family instead. Even before that, the way that they were forced to live was massively unfair to the kids. Michelle talks about how they lived at their car lots with the small children, which would be another way to cut back on housing costs. I know someone on one of the other Duggar threads described life as the owner of a small independent car lot, and it was a rough living, with some potentially shady tax practices going on.

In short, I think they did leave frugally and responsibly early in their marriage, but they also cut a lot of corners and never even cared that much about giving their children the best. And I'm sure they don't see any problem with that at all.

[theologygeek]

Like onlyorganic, I'm also sick of Jim Bob constantly bragging about being debt free. I do commend people for being debt free, but they don't need to smug about it. Sometimes I get the feeling that Boob and Mullet think that all people that have debt, have it because of bad choices. Yes there are some that end up in debt because of compulsive shopping, maxing out credit cards etc, but some have debt because of college, health problems or medical bills that aren't completely covered by insurances. Other reasons people end up with debt can vary unexpected house repairs or other necessary expenses that happen in life. I remember once on the TLC boards, one poster made a thread saying that he was fed up with the Duggars bragging about being debt free. This guy said he had debt from student loans and health issue that wasn't completely covered by insurances. He said was doing his best to pay off debts. I felt for that guy because I also have student loan debt. My debt isn't big and I'm still paying it off. I look at student loans as an investment in a way.

It is a joke for Boob to be bragging about being debt free because like lilah said he and Mullet have cut corners in some of the things they buy for their kids. The family's trips are paid for by TLC. I laughed in the NYC episode when Boob was "bitching" about subway tickets, because most of us with brains know that the cash for the tickets was from TLC. Boob can't fool everyone.

Supposedly, TLC pays the Duggars 10% of the show's budget. So if the show's budget is 250,000 per episode, the Duggars get 25,000. That's 100k a month. That doesn't count revenue from books, appearances, etc. They don't have a mortgage. The taxpayers pay their medical bills because the State pays for their health insurance. The tax write offs must be astronomical because their business is also in the home, so even tv cameras and lights plugged into the outlets are a deduction on the electricity. They probably make over a million a year. The media always asks the same stupid question, such as "Wow, all those kids and you're debt free. That's amazing. How do you do it?" The Duggars being debt free is not impressive at all.

[FuManchu]

Michelle worked when they were starting out? That's not something Doug mentioned when he was selling off the chance to have tea with her. Amazing how he can overlook these things when it suits him.

[Terrie]

stevenandersonfamily.blogspot.com/2011/11/oh-no-shes-pregnant-again.html

Typical Zhuzhu stuff. "It's horrible how we no longer have the death penalty for perverts, but condemn people for having kids." Blah, blah, blah.

But one quote cracked me up.

Why do people care so much about the health and well-being of a child that according to them, should not even have been conceived in the first place? Sounds like worst case scenario, if everything were to go wrong and the child not survive, the result would be the same as if they had never had the child (except that of course its eternal soul will live in Heaven forever).

You should have kids, no matter the risk, to have souls for Heaven! And if you shouldn't care about kids because you don't approve of how they came to be, than Zhuzhu needs to stop talking about gay parents, IVF, or any topic which might touch on kids born of those.

ETA: She gives a shout out to Taryn by mentioning that "with child" is more Biblical than "pregnant." :lol: