Klein family - Maxwellian sorts

[gardenvarietycitizen]

The thread about Rebecca K.!!1!1!1eleventy had links to her blog, which is in turn full of pics, including many of the K.! (Kellum, actually) family fellowshipping it up with their friends, the Kleins. One of the Klein children, Abi, is apparently the illustrator for the Moody books (as mentioned on that other thread). Both K families now live in St. Louis (where Rebecca K.!!1!1!1eleventy attended the same Maxwell conference that Jinger Freeh went to).

So of course, had to check out the Klein family blog (of course they have one!!). They're over at www.inkleinations.com .

I can see why the Maxwells would be friends with the Kleins. For people wondering if there might be any other family similar to the Maxwells out there, the answer seems to be yes.

Turns out the Kleins too are into the whole "only the Bible, family-led Bible devotions twice daily (including 5 AM!), family conference business (they do Apple development, as well as having booths about the "copy the Bible" homeschooling method at homeschooling conferences and selling home published books about it), no TV, no friends" lifestyle. They quote Jonathan Lindvall fondly, and have a home school curriculum that consists of... reading the KJV. That's right. The Bible is all you need, and regular education is only a false god competing with the real one. Fiction? Heck no. Kids? Heck yes, 13 of 'em. Schedules and chore packs? You betcha. They've even got bus porn.

From one of the main books they promote on their website (written by a family friend, one Art Dappen, and with an introduction by Jonathan Lindvall) they have this:

At the same time, we, the fathers, must diminish and reduce to a minimum every false influence on our children, such as the false gods of money and science, false prophets (such as the television), false friends (which may possibly include some relatives), and false activities (such as perversion, evil imaginations, violence and all falsehood).

Where they differ from the Maxwells is, they will let you read their message in PDF format for free! So you can check out "The Education of Kings" for yourself: www.inkleinations.com/pdfs/the-education-of-kings.pdf

They have a smaller reference about Bible copying (which they do for what some might call a homeschooling program) on their website: blog.inkleinations.com/p/about-copying-bible.html . There's a longer PDF about that on the same page.

...and even more Bible copy and homeschooling conference stuff (with bus!): blog.inkleinations.com/search/label/Bible%20copy . Toward the bottom is some praise for the Maxwells and how Teri has written about Bible copying, linking back to Titus 2.

Fascinating. :dance:

[WanderingStar]

"For example, we are repulsed by public school programs where students are given an electronic "baby" which must be held and fed when the alarm goes off.to show young adults how their lives will be weighed down by a child! Such an experience can only contribute to a terrible attitude towards parenthood."

Wait a minute, what terrible attitude? The attitude that children are a responsibility and they need you to do more than play with them? Surely they don't find responsibility unbiblical if they have chores (with corresponding ChorePacks) to do, but is it the same for taking care of children?

Oh, but then they go on to say that their children do receive a lesson in parenting through live children, probably their own younger children. I guess they just don't like the Baby Think It Over electronic babies because they are a product only found in public schools. This family is more of a contradiction than a pack of Starburst candy.

[NurseNell]

The Klein bus has a LONG way to go before it's even close to Uriah.

scroll down, you'll see the inside.

blog.inkleinations.com/search?updated-max=2011-11-01T08%3A32%3A00-07%3A00

[FloraDoraDolly]

"For example, we are repulsed by public school programs where students are given an electronic "baby" which must be held and fed when the alarm goes off.to show young adults how their lives will be weighed down by a child! Such an experience can only contribute to a terrible attitude towards parenthood."

Wait a minute, what terrible attitude? The attitude that children are a responsibility and they need you to do more than play with them? Surely they don't find responsibility unbiblical if they have chores (with corresponding ChorePacks) to do, but is it the same for taking care of children?

Oh, but then they go on to say that their children do receive a lesson in parenting through live children, probably their own younger children. I guess they just don't like the Baby Think It Over electronic babies because they are a product only found in public schools. This family is more of a contradiction than a pack of Starburst candy.

These folks don't live in the real world. They have NO idea how many at-risk teenage girls really do believe that having a baby is like getting a new dolly that you can dress up and show off, plus the baby will love you when nobody else does and his/her birth will make your boyfriend want to stick around. Then they become mothers at 14, 15, and 16, and the truth slaps them across the face.

[Extricated]

and have a home school curriculum that consists of... reading the KJV. That's right. The Bible is all you need

Not exactly. Their Maxwell schedule blog posts talk about teaching other subjects though not as often as the method they are promoting. They have always been prolific writers and emphasized writing well to their kids. Copying any book that has good grammar will work. They chose the bible which isn't surprising.

I knew these people a long time ago but lost track of them in all of their moves. The husband and wife haven't aged a day so I recognized them right away. They were the first large qf family I met that seemed otherwise normal. The kids were all well educated and adventurous and the parents were attentive to all of the kids instead of handing the younger ones off to the older. Their house was clean and organized and she was the one that kept it all up instead of the daughters. I'm surprised to see them with the Maxwells because their personalities are (or were) so different. There always seemed to be in one mishap or another and they always laughed about it instead of fretting Maxwell style. Maybe Dave will rub off on Steve instead of the other way around.

The Kleins have (or had) fantastic senses of humor. They would have been the type to join FJ and snark on themselves and not reveal who they were for several pages if ever. Beware any sudden de-lurkers. ;)

Edit: riffles

[duplessis3]

I was impressed that the CocoaCon was for straight up tech stuff. No Jesus in the iPad.

[gardenvarietycitizen]

I was impressed that the CocoaCon was for straight up tech stuff. No Jesus in the iPad.

Yep. It's like the up and up better version, of various things.

The isolationist quotes still strike me as way out there, as does the KJV stuff (and I say that as someone who went to schools where we copied out the contents of our secular reading books) but yeah, way way way better than the One Ton Ramp. Can't argue. :) Heck, it seems for that particular business they get normal attendees, even.

But Answers in Genesis? C'mon.

[Witsec7]

Our eight year old was not fluently reading when he started about 2 years ago.

:doh:

[terranova]

I can't find any indications of ages on their blog. Any old enough for the Maxwells?

Also, I'm sure Steve M must fume every time he meets them because they clearly are more blessed in the "blessing" stakes than he was. Damn that vasectomy!

[Justme]

Do they have a potential husband for Sarah?

[Guest Anonymous]

Aha - imagination is evil. Which explains why the Maxwells literally had their dog chase a neighbour's cat up a tree in order to take photos to send to Abi, the story book illustrator. How evil it would have been for her to simply imagine a treed cat, rather than draw a picture of a real life, terrified animal.....

[atheistjd]

These folks don't live in the real world. They have NO idea how many at-risk teenage girls really do believe that having a baby is like getting a new dolly that you can dress up and show off, plus the baby will love you when nobody else does and his/her birth will make your boyfriend want to stick around. Then they become mothers at 14, 15, and 16, and the truth slaps them across the face.

THIS. I work with at-risk girls who view having a baby as the EASY way to get out of finishing HS :shock:

Their parents, by and large, support this goal of young parenthood, but clearly do not instill in them the true difficulty of that task.

I get asked every day why I don't have babies. There is no understanding that 2 jobs + FT school + bills might make it difficult to have babies :?

BABIES ARE HARD. They are also great, but OMG why do these people think everyone must have them all the time?!?!?!?!

/rant (sorry - I REALLY hate people who want to shut down comprehensive sex/parenting ed in public schools)

[clibbyjo]

Do they have a potential husband for Sarah?

+1000

[gardenvarietycitizen]

+1000

I wondered this too - just because it seems with all the sheltering and the books they recommend, that they would be that rare family that would possibly be okay by Steve.

Seems the parents married in 1985 and then started trying to have kids 3 years later. Assuming instant success that would put the oldest kid born around 1989/90...

[Extricated]

Do they have a potential husband for Sarah?

Their oldest is 7-8 years younger than her IIRC.

[clibbyjo]

Their oldest is 7-8 years younger than her IIRC.

That can still work. He has been a " man "since he was 12 and has already paid cash for the house next to his parents,I'm sure. Does he have his own business? I am thinking some type of landscaping or construction. That should be enough to support Sarah a a few kids. Bring on the wedding. :pray: