Karissa Collins 2: Riding Her High Horse

[JermajestyDuggar]

34 minutes ago, fluffernutter said:

OMG. I saw this post of hers yesterday and was like why can't a grown-ass man pull out of the driveway? Does she have to go out and move the car around for him? 🤦‍♀️ I am so damn dense. Also regarding breastfed poo- my daughter calls our three week old granddaughter "the shart monster." Poor kids are going to need a 2nd mortgage to afford the diapers this kid is going through. 🤣 

Yes! I swear I would change him every hour of the day because he wanted to nurse all the time. So every time I nursed him. Which was like every hour, he would shart! We went through so many diapers the first 6 weeks of his life. 

[postscript]

They recently got chickens. Her posts show the girls cuddling the chickens, who are wrapped up in blankets. That’s not what chickens are for! Yes, treat them as pets if you must, but also let them do their business. 

She also posted on why she holds her pregnant belly in every picture. Something about not assuming she’s pregnant and not wanting people to think she’s just fat. Also not wanting to wear form-fitting maternity wear. Karissa, at this stage, I think people realize you’re pregnant. 

[JermajestyDuggar]

48 minutes ago, postscript said:

They recently got chickens. Her posts show the girls cuddling the chickens, who are wrapped up in blankets. That’s not what chickens are for! Yes, treat them as pets if you must, but also let them do their business. 

She also posted on why she holds her pregnant belly in every picture. Something about not assuming she’s pregnant and not wanting people to think she’s just fat. Also not wanting to wear form-fitting maternity wear. Karissa, at this stage, I think people realize you’re pregnant. 

She has real body issues. It’s the only part of her where I feel empathy. I know it’s hard. But her fasting during pregnancy is not recommended. Wish she would get help for all of the problems she’s admitted to. 

[BensAllergies]

Karissa posted today that she is 36 weeks. This means that her math was off when she posted on February 17th that she told her kids about the baby “three months ago” a few days after finding out she was pregnant. If she is 36 weeks pregnant now, then she would have found out in the days leading up to Christmas, not before Thanksgiving. I bet she was thinking about the date of the false start of her pregnancy, when her cycle began at week 0, not when she found out 4-5 weeks later.

[mysweetetc]

23 hours ago, BensAllergies said:

Karissa posted today that she is 36 weeks. This means that her math was off when she posted on February 17th that she told her kids about the baby “three months ago” a few days after finding out she was pregnant. If she is 36 weeks pregnant now, then she would have found out in the days leading up to Christmas, not before Thanksgiving. I bet she was thinking about the date of the false start of her pregnancy, when her cycle began at week 0, not when she found out 4-5 weeks later.

Between her unassisted pregnancy and general stupidity, I would bet good money that she doesn't even know exactly how far along she is.

[JermajestyDuggar]

5 minutes ago, mysweetetc said:

Between her unassisted pregnancy and general stupidity, I would bet good money that she doesn't even know exactly how far along she is.

I agree. She only had one ultrasound around 20 weeks to find out the sex. I ovulated crazy early in my cycle with my second and some women ovulate late in their cycle. That’s why dating scans are good. Not everyone ovulates and gets pregnant right on day 14 of their cycle. 

[JermajestyDuggar]

Here comes Dr Karissa again giving medical advice. She will then claim later on she doesn’t do this. But here’s the proof. She says going weeks late isn’t dangerous but being induced is. Ask any doctor and they will tell you risk goes up when you are weeks late. The placenta is more likely to breakdown. The baby is more likely to be larger than average. The baby is more likely to pass meconium and aspirate it. My grandma went a few weeks overdue in the 50s and the baby ended up dying because of it. My cousin had a child who was overdue and he suffered from effects of meconium aspiration. Theresa reason why dating ultrasounds are important. Because doctors don’t want their patients to go weeks overdue because it increases risk. I was never induced with my children but I also know a lot more about risk than Karissa it seems. 

[BensAllergies]

My eyes could not roll any harder! That is such dangerous information to promote - no inductions for even medical reasons?! I was induced all three times with my kids. The first and last were due to medical reasons. If I had not induced in those cases, I would have likely ended up with Caesarean. Even with my scheduled induction I waited until after her due date.

[MayMay1123]

Somebody introduce this idiot to Nicole Naugler. She makes me so mad, playing with her children's lives.

[JermajestyDuggar]

Just now, MayMay1123 said:

Somebody introduce this idiot to Nicole Naugler. She makes me so mad, playing with her children's lives.

I’ve actually thought about that. Not an introduction. But the fear of Karissa losing a baby the way Nicole did. It’s sad to think about. 

[postscript]

Between Karissa, Allison Helferich (“I don’t need no stinking’ ultrasounds! My body was made for this!”) and Kelly Havens (“God told me to push!”), it’s a wonder more of these ladies don’t wind up with dead/disabled babies or mothers. 

[Giraffe]

Heavy breathing and swelling can be normal in pregnancy but they can also be an indication of life threatening complications, too. It never ceases to amaze me how stupid some of these people can be during their "all natural" pregnancies. The arrogance to think nothing will go wrong with them or their baby because they trust in their god astounds me. 

[JermajestyDuggar]

9 minutes ago, postscript said:

Between Karissa, Allison Helferich (“I don’t need no stinking’ ultrasounds! My body was made for this!”) and Kelly Havens (“God told me to push!”), it’s a wonder more of these ladies don’t wind up with dead/disabled babies or mothers. 

Hannah Mandarino is another one who refuses all ultrasounds or OBGYNs and exclusively homebirths. Bridget Boyer leans this way. I hate how common this is amongst fundies. 

[4boysmum]

The problem with so many of these women spouting advice is that they think in absolutes.  If they haven't experienced a particular problem, then no one else needs to worry about it either.  In some ways I envy them the ability to think like that.  It seems less stressful for them.  But I'm also grateful that some of the tougher stuff I've dealt with has given me a greater ability to see the shades of gray and appreciate how everyone's circumstances are unique.

Not all inductions are alike, either. Yeah, just feeling tired of being pregnant is not a good reason to induce.  But I don't get the impression doctors are recommending that.  On the other hand, there actually are studies to indicate that inducing after 40 weeks can lower the risk of ultimately needing a c-section.  And that it especially lowers risks for older mothers, in whom the placenta can break down faster if you go too far overdue.

One reason I love my OB and praise him to the skies and recommend that every pregnant woman ever come to Boston to see him (ok, slight exaggeration...) is that no matter what the subject, he will tell you about the most recent studies and give you numbers and discuss both absolute and relative risks.  If you hang around the natural birth community you will hear lots of fearmongering about inductions being bad because they kick off "the cascade of medical interventions."  Pitocin will make contractions more intense so you may need an epidural to cope.  The baby's heart rate will drop during contractions and not have time to rally so you'll end up with a c-section for a distressed baby.  It was really interesting to go from that to seeing data from studies that show how specific carefully chosen interventions can, in specific circumstances, really lower risks of adverse outcomes.

I suspect that when some of these women talk about resisting medical intervention and trusting in God, it's less about God and more about their own need to feel in control.

[anachronistic]

That is such BS. Especially because she does go to doctors when they really need to, they do go to the ER, they don't leave everything up to their god. Does it ever occur to them that maybe their god gave them - OK, well, not her, but most people - brains for reason? That science has advanced this far for a reason? She definitely gets the hypocrite of the month Award here.

[JermajestyDuggar]

Just now, anachronistic said:

That is such BS. Especially because she does go to doctors when they really need to, they do go to the ER, they don't leave everything up to their god. Does it ever occur to them that maybe their god gave them - OK, well, not her, but most people - brains for reason? That science has advanced this far for a reason? She definitely gets the hypocrite of the month Award here.

Yep. She doesn’t mention that gods timing meant that one of her daughters was very early. And had to stay in the hospital for awhile. She could have died because god decided she would be very early. A lot of her children have been saved by modern medicine. 

[NotQuiteMotY]

On 7/22/2024 at 4:38 PM, JermajestyDuggar said:

I agree. She only had one ultrasound around 20 weeks to find out the sex. I ovulated crazy early in my cycle with my second and some women ovulate late in their cycle. That’s why dating scans are good. Not everyone ovulates and gets pregnant right on day 14 of their cycle. 

They really are. One of mine was a week later than the date indicated by my last period (and the OB seemed so relieved when he said about the measurements being small and I told him that lined up with when I thought I'd ovulated), but that was the only one. The other two I don't think I'd have been able to tell when I ovulated or conceived that particular cycle with any certainty.

And inductions save lives. I don't necessarily agree with doing it for convenience, but I can certainly understand doctors suggesting for a whole lot of health-related reasons or even as a precautionary measure. Frankly, there's no guarantee one of mine would have come through birth without going into distress, at a minimum, if I'd waited till I went into labor naturally, and I personally think they should have induced me the week before. And I'm a big believer in having minimal interventions in labor/birth! 

God gave us brains, and medical science, and the ability to use both.

[JermajestyDuggar]

Facebook suspending her account isn’t that big of a deal. It would be a huge deal Instagram suspended her account for 180 days. That would be a huge loss in money for her.

Edited August 11 by JermajestyDuggar

[JDuggs]

I went through a period with Instagram where every month or so my account would be suspended. I never posted anything, followed only some celebrities and a few real friends and never made comments. I would just put in my email address and phone number again and I would be reinstated. I got so tired of it though that I started a new account on a different device and haven’t had a problem since then. It was probably glitchy because I was using an old device with an outdated version of Instagram.

I wonder if Karissa’s posting different stuff on Facebook compared to Instagram that would get her suspended?

[Pleiades_06]

4 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Facebook suspending her account isn’t that big of a deal. It would be a huge deal Instagram suspended her account for 180 days. That would be a huge loss in money for her.

Why was it suspended? Any theories?

[JermajestyDuggar]

50 minutes ago, Pleiades_06 said:

Why was it suspended? Any theories?

She posts misinformation a lot. I think FB is more strict because she posts a lot of the same stuff on instagram. Also her Instagram has 1 million followers. They might not want to suspend someone with that big of a following g. Her following is way smaller on FB. 

[mango_fandango]

There is so much criticism towards pregnant individuals almost from the moment of conception. Whatever they decide to do they're criticised. It's ridiculous! I do find it a bit strange, though, when they're like "oh I don't want any pain relief, I want to feel everything" like nah, that shit's painful. If I ever have kids (I'd like to but I'm currently single) I'll be like "gimme all the pain meds". Screw "feeling everything". I have a fairly low pain threshold. 

Karissa is just awful. If there was a competition for "worst fundie mother" she'd be right up there in contention. 

[NotQuiteMotY]

On 8/11/2024 at 6:25 PM, mango_fandango said:

There is so much criticism towards pregnant individuals almost from the moment of conception. Whatever they decide to do they're criticised. It's ridiculous! I do find it a bit strange, though, when they're like "oh I don't want any pain relief, I want to feel everything" like nah, that shit's painful. If I ever have kids (I'd like to but I'm currently single) I'll be like "gimme all the pain meds". Screw "feeling everything". I have a fairly low pain threshold. 

Karissa is just awful. If there was a competition for "worst fundie mother" she'd be right up there in contention. 

As someone who didn't get pain relief, it wasn't because I wanted to feel everything but because the idea of a needle in my spine freaked me out, among other reasons. Just to acknowledge that it's not always weird fringe stuff like "women should suffer in childbirth" or wanting to be one with the universe or what have you why someone might forgo it, pain threshold or not.

(Seriously, though, if you want pain relief if/when having kids, go for it! Because yeah, that shit's painful.)

[mango_fandango]

2 hours ago, NotQuiteMotY said:

As someone who didn't get pain relief, it wasn't because I wanted to feel everything but because the idea of a needle in my spine freaked me out, among other reasons. Just to acknowledge that it's not always weird fringe stuff like "women should suffer in childbirth" or wanting to be one with the universe or what have you why someone might forgo it, pain threshold or not.

(Seriously, though, if you want pain relief if/when having kids, go for it! Because yeah, that shit's painful.)

Fair enough! I was very much thinking about it from my perspective. Although I had a kidney stone a few years ago and most people say that the associated pain is worse than childbirth, so if I do have kids then I can rock up and say "well, this should be straightforward, I've had a kidney stone"  Obviously I'm not being entirely serious here!! I've seen enough childbirth programmes to know that it isn't a walk in the park. 

I think it just speaks to the way modern parenting is these days. Everything has to be a competition. My mother often says that most of social media seems to consist of people telling other people off. So many people end up feeling like failures because they had to have a C section, or can't breastfeed, or whatever else. There's this narrative that our bodies are "designed to give birth" and that we don't really need outside intervention. I get that birth is often over-medicalised, but things can and do go wrong during childbirth, and things can go downhill FAST. Personally I'd never feel comfortable with a homebirth, even if I'd had a low-risk pregnancy. Maybe some would say I'm letting fear dictate things, but I'm being realistic. If others want a homebirth then that's great, I can see how it'd be reassuring for many to give birth in familiar surroundings where you can exercise a lot of control. 

[ElleCee]

On 8/12/2024 at 8:25 AM, mango_fandango said:

There is so much criticism towards pregnant individuals almost from the moment of conception. Whatever they decide to do they're criticised. It's ridiculous! I do find it a bit strange, though, when they're like "oh I don't want any pain relief, I want to feel everything" like nah, that shit's painful. If I ever have kids (I'd like to but I'm currently single) I'll be like "gimme all the pain meds". Screw "feeling everything". I have a fairly low pain threshold. 

 

 

My first child, I had an epidural, I didn't feel any pain, it was a wonderful calm experience. I felt like a superhero when she was born.

My second child was too fast, I pushed without pain relief, feeling everything. I felt like a superhero when he was born.