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7 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I think it’s sort of weird that a fundie that is known for being quiverful would choose a pregnant picture to advertise something. I think she was just fishing for attention by doing that. They have plenty of pics where she’s not pregnant. 

It seems like it’s attention grabbing which is good advertising. She’s trying to sell her non-insurance product to people who want pregnancy covered and she’s saying it worked well for her.

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Recent shimmers for Christian Ministries Health plan: Jessa ( who does a nice job explaining why) and Abbie H. Wonder if the Dillards also used CMH in the past?

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2 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I think it’s sort of weird that a fundie that is known for being quiverful would choose a pregnant picture to advertise something. I think she was just fishing for attention by doing that. They have plenty of pics where she’s not pregnant. 

Apparently this pic was taken last year about 3 months after Fern was born. Definitely attention seeking. Jessa doesn’t do anything by accident.

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She talked about their medical bills from postpartum stuff being covered, including the midwife she has used.  That's probably why.

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10 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I think it’s sort of weird that a fundie that is known for being quiverful would choose a pregnant picture to advertise something. I think she was just fishing for attention by doing that. They have plenty of pics where she’s not pregnant. 

Exactly what I thought when above poster pointed out that it was a fern pic. She definitely knew it would make people take a double look. Clever but sneaky. 

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I highly recommend if you don't know much about christian health plans, give this podcast a listen. One of the hosts is a lawyer. Since this episode they have been called by congress to give testimony on the problems associated with these plans and have had further discussions in the past year on the podcast as progress has been made to put more regulations on these plans.

These plans are a complete scam. You have no legal recourse to force them to reimburse you for your medical expenses, even if they say it is covered. They are not regulated in the same way that other health insurance plans and so they also don't have the same legal requirements to have a certain amount of money on hand to pay for claims. 

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7 hours ago, Natalie22 said:

I highly recommend if you don't know much about christian health plans, give this podcast a listen. One of the hosts is a lawyer. Since this episode they have been called by congress to give testimony on the problems associated with these plans and have had further discussions in the past year on the podcast as progress has been made to put more regulations on these plans.

These plans are a complete scam. You have no legal recourse to force them to reimburse you for your medical expenses, even if they say it is covered. They are not regulated in the same way that other health insurance plans and so they also don't have the same legal requirements to have a certain amount of money on hand to pay for claims. 

Cross posting from my comment in Carlin (Bates)’s thread

It probably varies, but I went to school with someone who uses Samaritan. They require you actively attend church 3/4 weeks of the month and get a pastor’s recommendation letter. She has multiple children with treatable special needs (think speech related) but none of that is covered. I don’t know why she and her husband don’t buy traditional insurance, her “defense” of the program sounded pretty bad to me. 
 

She didn’t elaborate, but I just went back to check the post and she openly said that occupational therapy for one child isn’t covered at all but they did cover NICU bills (after negotiations) for the baby they added at birth. It doesn’t cover any preventative care including vaccines. 
 

Speaking from family experience, I wouldn’t be surprised if most don’t use CHIP as a supplement and instead go without care. 

 

 

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A lot of other subtly-Mormon mommy bloggers have also shilled Medi-Share. I followed a "new born sleep consultant" who is also a licensed therapist who turned out to be Mormon. And she recommended Medi-Share. 

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6 hours ago, purple_summer said:

Cross posting from my comment in Carlin (Bates)’s thread

It probably varies, but I went to school with someone who uses Samaritan. They require you actively attend church 3/4 weeks of the month and get a pastor’s recommendation letter. She has multiple children with treatable special needs (think speech related) but none of that is covered. I don’t know why she and her husband don’t buy traditional insurance, her “defense” of the program sounded pretty bad to me. 
 

She didn’t elaborate, but I just went back to check the post and she openly said that occupational therapy for one child isn’t covered at all but they did cover NICU bills (after negotiations) for the baby they added at birth. It doesn’t cover any preventative care including vaccines. 
 

Speaking from family experience, I wouldn’t be surprised if most don’t use CHIP as a supplement and instead go without care. 

 

I guess if you're going to go to one of those churches and give your money to the church anyway, having NICU covered looks like a good deal, especially when you breed at this rate. But I agree, I'm sure they either use CHIP, go without care, and/or like the Bates, use the ER as a doctor's office and let the evil socialists pay for it. 

 

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10 hours ago, purple_summer said:

Cross posting from my comment in Carlin (Bates)’s thread

It probably varies, but I went to school with someone who uses Samaritan. They require you actively attend church 3/4 weeks of the month and get a pastor’s recommendation letter. She has multiple children with treatable special needs (think speech related) but none of that is covered. I don’t know why she and her husband don’t buy traditional insurance, her “defense” of the program sounded pretty bad to me. 
 

She didn’t elaborate, but I just went back to check the post and she openly said that occupational therapy for one child isn’t covered at all but they did cover NICU bills (after negotiations) for the baby they added at birth. It doesn’t cover any preventative care including vaccines. 
 

Speaking from family experience, I wouldn’t be surprised if most don’t use CHIP as a supplement and instead go without care. 

 

 

CHIP has gotten really hit and miss in the last decade or so, and coverage, eligibility (or even if it exists at all) varies wildly by state.  The problem in a lot of places is that they don’t have CHIP (or only in very limited circumstance) and many working families will make too much to qualify for full coverage medi-caid for their kids. Share of cost medicaid for kids can be obscenely high (think $8,000 a month in cost -each month-  before they pick up the tab ) While the affordable care act coverage with subsidies can still run $600+ a month for incredibly shitty care that you have to pay out thousands before anything is covered. I know soooo many people with no coverage. Scary

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On 8/13/2022 at 12:11 AM, Mama Mia said:

CHIP has gotten really hit and miss in the last decade or so, and coverage, eligibility (or even if it exists at all) varies wildly by state.  The problem in a lot of places is that they don’t have CHIP (or only in very limited circumstance) and many working families will make too much to qualify for full coverage medi-caid for their kids. Share of cost medicaid for kids can be obscenely high (think $8,000 a month in cost -each month-  before they pick up the tab ) While the affordable care act coverage with subsidies can still run $600+ a month for incredibly shitty care that you have to pay out thousands before anything is covered. I know soooo many people with no coverage. Scary

It is scary. When I think about how many times my little kids have ended up needing doctor's care outside of well visits in the last year, I can't imagine doing it without any kind of insurance, and we don't have a mega-family or chronically-ill kids.

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I think I’ve shared here before, but we used to use a health share program. We started because my husband started his own business, and the cost of regular insurance was more than our house payment. We straight up couldn’t afford it. But we earned too much to qualify for assistance. So we found health sharing. At first, it was fine. We tend to be quite healthy, so we didn’t really need to use it often. But when we did, the reimbursements started taking longer and longer. We dropped from the plan over a year ago, and are STILL waiting on reimbursement from giving birth to our youngest. It’s not a small sum of money. It’s infuriating. I’m so glad we have regular insurance now though. I feel so much more at ease. We still aren’t sick often, but we have had some significant things come up over the last couple of years that would not be covered by the health share. The US healthcare system is a mess. I hate that we felt like we had no choice but to use the health share company. 

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I am so thankful my state has coverage for all children under 18 - it's income based but also on a slideable scale. It has been a lifesaver for our family. We pay premiums for the adults and that alone is pretty steep. Sometimes it feels like throwing our money away since we both are in good health and don't need regular care at this time in our lives, but kids need to go so often - between well visits and just injuries or colds, etc. 

I hate that families are being spiritually manipulated into the medishare scams. 

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On 8/10/2022 at 9:46 PM, GuineaPigCourtship said:

The Duggars are not known for putting themselves out to help others, so the bill sharing ministry is for sure not something they'd be doing if they thought they were paying more than they got.

I feel like I have to keep reminding people that Josh Duggar brought diarrhea medicine to a friend in the middle of the night. 

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Jessa is the female version of Jim Bob. She is a shrewd, narcissist. Remember when as a teen JB and M tried to break her spirit? It didn’t work. I’m not sure her personality (or JB’s) truly meshes with the tenets of Christianity. Sweet Jilly Muffin, OTOH, more closely mirrors the walk, and look how much JB despises her- oh, how ironic….

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@SassyPants I agree and I think that she shares his hatred of paying taxes so she’s bound to want to promote something like this rather than having people rely on social care. Of course she has a wealthy family to fall back on, a sideline as an influencer and she’s getting a kick back from this promotion- she will never know true fear of medical poverty ( or any other type of poverty). 
If there hadn’t been a show and JB hadn’t raked in millions from investing his TLC money, these 2 would be living on the bones of their arse trying to live on Ben’s income.

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3 hours ago, Idlewild said:

@SassyPants I agree and I think that she shares his hatred of paying taxes so she’s bound to want to promote something like this rather than having people rely on social care. Of course she has a wealthy family to fall back on, a sideline as an influencer and she’s getting a kick back from this promotion- she will never know true fear of medical poverty ( or any other type of poverty). 
If there hadn’t been a show and JB hadn’t raked in millions from investing his TLC money, these 2 would be living on the bones of their arse trying to live on Ben’s income.

I think people are just gigantically overestimating the availability of “social care” in the US. Or care at all. There are massive gaps. And even with regular, good insurance, through an employer - people get into thousands and thousands and thousands of debt. And insurance companies try not to cover things all the time. I wouldn’t advise one of these cost sharing programs, too easy for them to find loop holes not to pay —, but it’s probably no worse than any  cheap insurance - either private pay or through an employer. 

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How did it get so damn broken in the US?

we have our share of problems here in Australia and the Queen is still technically our monarch but no one goes broke from medical bills. Public health just works.

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We had medishare for our first baby in 2010.  We were poor but still didn’t qualify for anything at all and it was better coverage than what we could get through an employer.  I really have nothing bad to say about it.  I had some complications including preterm labor, polyhydroaminos and an elective caesarean and everything got covered with a minimal co-pay that we could afford.  DH got a different job shortly after with more affordable insurance, but honestly we paid more per month for less coverage than we did with Medishare.  If you don’t have chronic or pre-existing conditions, I’m not really sure that it’s worse than regular insurance.  While they aren’t held to the same legal requirements, I’ve also had to essentially sue our insurance a couple times to try a get something covered(a baby’s last three days of a NICU stay, for instance) and gotten nowhere.

I do think people overestimate the social safety net here.  Even the ACA insurance plans in my state(which did expand Medicaid) is exorbitantly expensive and the subsidies aren’t great for what amounts to catastrophic coverage.

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6 hours ago, SassyPants said:

Jessa is the female version of Jim Bob. She is a shrewd, narcissist. Remember when as a teen JB and M tried to break her spirit? It didn’t work. I’m not sure her personality (or JB’s) truly meshes with the tenets of Christianity. Sweet Jilly Muffin, OTOH, more closely mirrors the walk, and look how much JB despises her- oh, how ironic….

When did they try to break her spirit as a teen?

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55 minutes ago, Father Son Holy Goat said:

When did they try to break her spirit as a teen?

Many references from both parents about Jessa being the difficult one and how she tried their parenting patience. Now why Josh wasn’t vocally labeled such both escapes me and defies common sense. Her siblings even mentioned “Don’t mess with Jessa” indicating that she was a hothead. I also remember in one talking head they asked the teen (at the time) older 4 girls about boys, courting…, and Jessa boldly stated, “the only boys interested are weirdos.” Michelle, who was also in the talking head, had a horrified look on her face and made some sort statement about how that wasn’t nice, or something to that effect. You could just tell that Jessa was predictably a loose cannon. Heck, Jessa herself even admits to being the “difficult” Duggar as a youngster. Conversely, Jill was vocally labeled the sweet one. And again, even by her siblings.

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30 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

Many references from both parents about Jessa being the difficult one and how she tried their parenting patience. Now why Josh wasn’t vocally labeled such both escapes me and defies common sense. Her siblings even mentioned “Don’t mess with Jessa” indicating that she was a hothead. I also remember in one talking head they asked the teen (at the time) older 4 girls about boys, courting…, and Jessa boldly stated, “the only boys interested are weirdos.” Michelle, who was also in the talking head, had a horrified look on her face and made some sort statement about how that wasn’t nice, or something to that effect. You could just tell that Jessa was predictably a loose cannon. Heck, Jessa herself even admits to being the “difficult” Duggar as a youngster. Conversely, Jill was vocally labeled the sweet one. And again, even by her siblings.

Good for Jessa!

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It’s too bad Jessa being a loose canon didn’t make her question all the shit her parents put her through and leave it all behind. But nope. She seems to have stubbornly doubled down.

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14 hours ago, Father Son Holy Goat said:

Good for Jessa!

See Jermajesty’s comment^. I could get on board if that Feistiness was being used for something productive, or was in some way making a positive change in the world. 

52 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

It’s too bad Jessa being a loose canon didn’t make her question all the shit her parents put her through and leave it all behind. But nope. She seems to have stubbornly doubled down.

EXACTLY! If one is going to applaud Jessa than one would also need to support JB’s antics…otherwise 🤷🏻‍♀️

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3 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

It’s too bad Jessa being a loose canon didn’t make her question all the shit her parents put her through and leave it all behind. But nope. She seems to have stubbornly doubled down.

I think she did question but at a time when she was still a minor and couldn’t do anything with her questioning. Jill started as an adult when she had power to make changes. 

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