(Possible CW: CSA) Josh & Anna 35: Embattled in Spiritual Warfare!

[Idlewild]

So if the applications to suppress the evidence have failed, does Josh now turn to plan B and start blaming other people? He’s fucked by the sound of it.

[luv2laugh]

I think JB would rather have Josh serve a harsher penalty than admit guilt by taking a plea. Since he’s likely paying for it, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what they’re doing.

Edited October 18, 2021 by luv2laugh

[Antimony]

14 minutes ago, luv2laugh said:

The judge sounds fed up: 

There's a footnote where the judge seems, as far as legal texts go, annoyed that the Duggar team seems to have made an attack against the judge magistrate. 

Quote

Mr. Duggar also suggests the magistrate judge was not properly “educated” by  law enforcement about the facts surrounding the earlier, unexecuted search warrant and was somehow hoodwinked into signing a second warrant without appreciating what had transpired previously. (Doc. 37, p. 19). This suggestion is plainly false—as well as a not-so-subtle attack on the magistrate judge’s credibility. The same magistrate judge authorized both the first and second warrants, so she was well aware of the factual bases supporting each. Mr. Duggar claims the affidavits supporting the two warrants were identical—save for the wrong address. Again, this is false. The affidavit supporting the second warrant explained why the first warrant was returned unexecuted. The affidavit also explained the investigative efforts law enforcement undertook to verify that Wholesale Motorcars was indeed the correct address associated with the target IP. See Doc. 37-2, pp. 13–16, ¶¶ 37–44. The magistrate judge was not misled.

Italics and bolding are mine. 

[onekidanddone]

34 minutes ago, luv2laugh said:

The judge is NOT having it (part of the quote missing on next page is the word ‘crime’ as in, that video alone is probable cause to search his devices for evidence of a crime”.)

Josh’s attorneys are arguing that the agents basically lied by saying they “successfully downloaded” Josh’s files when they actually were partly downloaded so, the entire case should be thrown out (aka Frank’s). If you’re reading the document, trigger warning- page 10 includes a description of the file.

 

Is there a link to this file? I ask this thinking I may regret reading it. 

[luv2laugh]

6 minutes ago, onekidanddone said:

Is there a link to this file? I ask this thinking I may regret reading it. 

It is 17 pages and there are a few graphic descriptions: court listener & today’s date https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59871253/united-states-v-duggar/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

I don’t know how Anna could hear the sort of graphic information in there and not be scared. Maybe she is, who knows? But, she does a great job of not looking it.

Edited October 18, 2021 by luv2laugh

[Idlewild]

And of course they argued a female judge didn’t know what she was doing- I mean she probably was thinking about fixing her husband’s supper….

[onekidanddone]

3 minutes ago, Idlewild said:

And of course they argued a female judge didn’t know what she was doing- I mean she probably was thinking about fixing her husband’s supper….

With luck said judge will be joyfully available to send Joshly to prison for 40 years 

[Dandruff]

It's close to 5 PM in Arkansas.  What time is the deadline for filing and who would have access to it?

[Snarkasarus Rex]

16 minutes ago, Dandruff said:

It's close to 5 PM in Arkansas.  What time is the deadline for filing and who would have access to it?

The 20th is the deadline for filing. I doubt we will know today. 

[AussieKrissy]

I read part of the court transcript. I want to vomit. 
I FUCKING HATE ANNA, HOW THAT WOMEN CAN SIT THERE AND LISTEN TO WHAT I READ AND STILL SIT BY THAT FUCKING SCUM OF THE UNIVERSE MAY HE BURN IN HELL ASSWIPE, I WILL NEVER KNOW. Her kids needs to be taken off her. I have no doubt in my mind that cockface is guilty. 

As much as I hate Josh as a piece of shit and I will give up my spot in heaven if the god I believe in lets evil like that in as a Mother I hate anna Put those babies first and keep them safe, Josh is a predator, blood didn't stop him with his sisters it aint gunna stop him with his kids. 

Josh's crimes have been exposed now its Anna's turn to step up and she is failing 

Josh is a waste of oxygen and now anna is too 

Edited October 18, 2021 by AussieKrissy

[QuiverFullofBooks]

I seriously doubt Anna is reading any of the court filings or rulings. No need for the wimmenfolk to bother with any of that.

[onekidanddone]

What happens when the M kids find out what their father did? What would they think of Anna and how she put him first and not her own children 

1 minute ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

I seriously doubt Anna is reading any of the court filings or rulings. No need for the wimmenfolk to bother with any of that.

Maybe however if she was in the courtroom wouldn’t she have seen or heard what was in those images?

[QuiverFullofBooks]

11 minutes ago, onekidanddone said:

Maybe however if she was in the courtroom wouldn’t she have seen or heard what was in those images?

Not necessarily. It might have just been "the motion is denied" in the courtroom.

[AussieKrissy]

19 minutes ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

I seriously doubt Anna is reading any of the court filings or rulings. No need for the wimmenfolk to bother with any of that.

That maybe true but someone will read them and she needs to know what is in them for when those kids find out what is in it and I pray it isn't anytime soon. But some arsehole may blurt out graphic details to those kids (I hope not when they are little) and it is Anna's job to be there to help and guide her children to understanding.

Holy fuck I don't envy any parent that would have to do that but Anna wont do a good job I bet. Her ignorance, arrogance and denial will fuck up those kids. I am way beyond giving anna anymore passes, until I see proof that she is protecting her children from a predator, I will assume that her children are in danger physically, mentally and emotionally and should be taken off her.

[Silence]

I’m just grossed out that all his kids have ‘M’ names and he’s looking at a file that is a ‘M’ name 🤮

[onekidanddone]

35 minutes ago, Silence said:

I’m just grossed out that all his kids have ‘M’ names and he’s looking at a file that is a ‘M’ name 🤮

Oh crap. What if he was going to use that M name for #7. 
 

[ifosterkittens]

I do not know if Anna attended the detention hearing (attending via Zoom was an option) back in May, but descriptions of the CSAM were covered at the detention hearing. 

[EmCatlyn]

4 hours ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

I seriously doubt Anna is reading any of the court filings or rulings. No need for the wimmenfolk to bother with any of that.

Even if she did try to read this 17 page document, most of it is legal stuff.  I would guess that someone like Anna would have so much trouble following the first two or three pages that she would become bored and not get much further. (And the descriptions of CSA, though painful to read, are brief that a careless reading could overlook them.)

I think Anna should stop standing by Josh,  but I wouldn’t expect her to know the content of this or most other legal documents in the case.  

[EmCatlyn]

4 hours ago, AussieKrissy said:

That maybe true but someone will read them and she needs to know what is in them for when those kids find out what is in it and I pray it isn't anytime soon. But some arsehole may blurt out graphic details to those kids (I hope not when they are little) and it is Anna's job to be there to help and guide her children to understanding.

Holy fuck I don't envy any parent that would have to do that but Anna wont do a good job I bet. Her ignorance, arrogance and denial will fuck up those kids. I am way beyond giving anna anymore passes, until I see proof that she is protecting her children from a predator, I will assume that her children are in danger physically, mentally and emotionally and should be taken off her.

Actually, since Josh is living at the Rebers and will probably be going to prison, it doesn’t seem likely that Josh can do much (more?) harm to the kids than knowing the shame/disgrace of his actions and his going to prison.

We do not know that Josh has posed a danger to his kids or younger siblings. He may have satisfied his perversion by viewing CSA porn (which is the crime he is accused of). And it seems obvious that any kids he might have molested are safer now than before he was arrested. (Note, I am not speculating that any kids might have been molested.  Just saying that he can’t molest kids now.)

That being said, I agree that Anna is responsible for protecting those kids, and that the emotional cost of being Josh’s children may be a heavy one.

[AussieKrissy]

1 minute ago, EmCatlyn said:

Actually, since Josh is living at the Rebers and will probably be going to prison, it doesn’t seem likely that Josh can do much (more?) harm to the kids than knowing the shame/disgrace of his actions and his going to prison.

We do not know that Josh has posed a danger to his kids or younger siblings. He may have satisfied his perversion by viewing CSA porn (which is the crime he is accused of). And it seems obvious that any kids he might have molested are safer now than before he was arrested. (Note, I am not speculating that any kids might have been molested.  Just saying that he can’t molest kids now.)

That being said, I agree that Anna is responsible for protecting those kids, and that the emotional cost of being Josh’s children may be a heavy one.

If Anna is allowing him access to his children he most certainly can hurt his children. And all pedophiles pose a danger to children. 

[EmCatlyn]

30 minutes ago, AussieKrissy said:

If Anna is allowing him access to his children he most certainly can hurt his children. And all pedophiles pose a danger to children. 

I thought Anna was supposed to watch all interactions between Josh and the kids.  Are you suggesting that Anna isn’t doing this?  That she is leaving the kids alone with Josh?   (That would violate his bond and get him sent back to jail, and it would get Anna in some trouble also.)

 As for “all pedophiles pose danger to children,” that is true as a general statement, but the danger is related to access and proximity.  If Josh isn’t allowed unsupervised access to children, then he is not much danger.  

My point was that of all times to worry about Josh having access to kids, this is probably the time when we can worry less.  

[AussieKrissy]

3 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

I thought Anna was supposed to watch all interactions between Josh and the kids.  Are you suggesting that Anna isn’t doing this?  That she is leaving the kids alone with Josh?   (That would violate his bond and get him sent back to jail, and it would get Anna in some trouble also.)

 As for “all pedophiles pose danger to children,” that is true as a general statement, but the danger is related to access and proximity.  If Josh isn’t allowed unsupervised access to children, then he is not much danger.  

My point was that of all times to worry about Josh having access to kids, this is probably the time when we can worry less.  

I don’t believe Anna will fully supervise her children. For many reasons but mainly that I she believes he is not guilty. And that women are taught to submit
peodophiles are crafty. It isn’t just about sexual penetration it’s about power. 
controlling children bending them to their will grooming them to respond the way they want Unnoticed by others can be enough to get them off and violate children. 
 

[Hazelbunny]

My best friend (and her sisters) were molested by her father from very early childhood to early teens and my friend hates her mother more for not doing anything about it and leaving her children in his presence than she hates her father for doing it. He doesn't admit any guilt, just claiming "the devil" made him do it. Yes  fundie family. All the children are now Atheists. My friend confided in me a few years ago - I knew she was in therapy, but I didnt know why. We were on the phone for hours and I spent the rest of that night alternately crying and throwing up. 

So those chidren could end up resenting Anna more than their father some day... 

[imokit]

6 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

I thought Anna was supposed to watch all interactions between Josh and the kids.  Are you suggesting that Anna isn’t doing this?  That she is leaving the kids alone with Josh?   (That would violate his bond and get him sent back to jail, and it would get Anna in some trouble also.)

 As for “all pedophiles pose danger to children,” that is true as a general statement, but the danger is related to access and proximity.  If Josh isn’t allowed unsupervised access to children, then he is not much danger.  

My point was that of all times to worry about Josh having access to kids, this is probably the time when we can worry less.  

Josh molested some of his sisters in a room with his family including his parents.

You can be supervising and not notice where hands are if a child is sitting on their father's lap or where hands are if a child goes for a hug.

I can't imagine that anyone has sat down with the M kids and told them they can't hug daddy hello when the visit or sit on or next to him.

I'm not accusing Josh of hurting his children, but I am saying that even with supervision it is completely possible for him to have inappropriate contact with a child if he decides to.

[Dandruff]

5 hours ago, AussieKrissy said:

I don’t believe Anna will fully supervise her children. For many reasons but mainly that I she believes he is not guilty. And that women are taught to submit
peodophiles are crafty. It isn’t just about sexual penetration it’s about power. 
controlling children bending them to their will grooming them to respond the way they want Unnoticed by others can be enough to get them off and violate children. 
 

I believe Anna will supervise them, at least to ensure that they'll have the right answers if questioned by others.  I expect the Rebers also want to avoid the potential for any legal problems or accusations in general.