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Maxwell 50: Maxhell Has Frozen Over. Anna and Mary Are Off to College and Sarah Moves Out!


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10 hours ago, fundiefan said:

This is typical fundie behavior. When they change, they don't admit it. Look at the entire VF crowd & NCFIC crowd. Anyone admit they changed after the VF blow up? Dougie went into hiding & Beal reinvented herself as though their previous life never existed. Golden couple Bradrick! divorced, she remarried & has at least one more kid - has it ever been mentioned anywhere, by anyone, who promoted their perfection for a decade? 

Fundies don't apologize for selling their followers a bill of goods. They move on and pretend they don't even know what the bill of goods was, or that it never existed at all. Apologizing - acknowledging they did not, in fact, have a direct line to god and were making choices & decisions based on their own personal beliefs/wants/needs - isn't ever going to happen. If Steve ever said they changed course, he'd essentially be admitting that he does not, in fact, have a direct link to his god and his god is not dictating the details of his life. And if his god is not dictating, he's been a lying asshat for two decades, selling his followers snake oil.

The Duggars never acknowledged they are in a cult; in fact they've tried (lied) to create a disconnect between them & IBLP - even though they are still all in. 

Basically, they all want the power & "fame" & status & money that comes from being a mouthpiece of their god, but not one of them will ever acknowledge they were lying to you from the start. And they know damn well they were lying, because they know their god never told them shit. 

If Steve ever discussed the girls going to college, he'd have to answer 100 questions or more. And Steve doesn't answer questions. If he ever acknowledged that the plan he sold through the dog & pony shows did not even work in his own family - from sons having mortgages, to courtship not being the best way to avoid a broken heart (ask two of his married sons about that one, ammiright?),  to girls leaving home and going to college - he'd also have to acknowledge the millions of other ways his plan was not the only way to live and was actually an impossible state to even try to attempt; it was never real in the first place. 

The only ones I can think of that changed (somewhat) and admitted it were Gil and Kelly Bates after Zach's first failed courtship. They decided to lighten up on the strict protocols in favor of "dating with a purpose".

 

Not to veer too far off topic, but what is Beall Phillips doing now? Is she still married to the tool?

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10 hours ago, fundiefan said:

If Steve ever discussed the girls going to college, he'd have to answer 100 questions or more. And Steve doesn't answer questions. If he ever acknowledged that the plan he sold through the dog & pony shows did not even work in his own family - from sons having mortgages, to courtship not being the best way to avoid a broken heart (ask two of his married sons about that one, ammiright?),  to girls leaving home and going to college - he'd also have to acknowledge the millions of other ways his plan was not the only way to live and was actually an impossible state to even try to attempt; it was never real in the first place. 

I agree with all of this - and the point that Steve won't ever discuss this because it would involve answering questions - but I also think that he'd find a way to explain it away. 

It would be something along the lines that all of his ways were only about raising children, not raising adults, and since all of his offspring reached their 20s still being committed Christians and avoiding worldly influences or illicit sex, he has still succeeded. Once his children have reached that stage of adulthood + Christian commitment, they have earned the right to small amounts of freedom, like being able to socialise with suitable Christian friends without having to visit as an entire family group (which they weren't allowed to do as children), travelling by themselves including overseas, having their own cars... even wearing pants and attending college!  

He'd definitely think his methods were successful in raising boys, because look at all of them with their virgin wives and debt-free house purchases. 

As for the girls, while I'm sure that he's well aware that other fundies would view him as pitiable at best and a failure at worst in not having any of his daughters married, he could just shrug and say that was God's decision, not his. 

He could also argue that this is just another example of the actions he can take as a father to ensure all his family can earn and remain debt-free while avoiding worldly influences. He would argue that he has pre-approved all aspects of the college, and the girls' capacity to be accountability partners for each other, so is sure the girls are safe there. He has paid for college out of his savings without taking any loans, and likely with the assistance of some scholarships for the girls. If the girls are studying education, they will be able to earn good money and repay his investment in them, and if they are studying to be missionaries it is about serving the Lord. 

All of it can be within the Maxwell Method For Adults, but he just hasn't got around to writing a book about that, because he's so very very busy with whatever it is that he actually does.

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3 hours ago, AuntCloud said:

Next thread title: Anna and Mary are not in Kansas anymore.

And have they even been allowed to watch that movie and see/hear that line?

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1 hour ago, church_of_dog said:

And have they even been allowed to watch that movie and see/hear that line?

Aside from the witches, witchcraft, intoxicating poppy fields, intelligent non-humans, color-changing horse, evil flying monkeys, and talking trees, I believe Steve would find it fairly innocuous.

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3 hours ago, FloraDoraDolly said:

what is Beall Phillips doing now? Is she still married to the tool?

Laying very, very low. Her public IG account is pretty quiet and she has stopped including all of the #happilymarried hashtags. Doug Phillips hasn't been sighted in quite a while although he may be the one maintaining the VF FB page. 

Given Greg Abbott's idiotic blustering about "eliminating all rapists." maybe Doug should stay the fuck out of TX. 

The deafening silence from Beall, Doug, Scott Brown, and all the former fundies is par for the course. These people are nothing but grifters and fucking liars. They made their money off the gullible and never cared about how many were damaged by the toxic shit they pushed.

It's the same with Steve Maxwell as well. It was only ever about money, power & control for him. Nothing else. He's a fucking asshole. 

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15 minutes ago, Dandruff said:

Aside from the witches, witchcraft, intoxicating poppy fields, intelligent non-humans, color-changing horse, evil flying monkeys, and talking trees, I believe Steve would find it fairly innocuous.

OMG.  I just had to google about the horse.  I somehow never registered that bit in the movie.  After googling, now I do remember the punchline in there about "the horse of a different color."  But the images of the horse being different colors never stuck in my head, I think because -- the first few times I saw it, as a kid at home, we only had a black and white tv!

I know I was surprised as an adult to realize that the movie had parts in B&W and parts in color, and as an adult I've seen clips of various scenes, but now I'm not sure whether I've ever seen the whole thing in color!  

Oh wait, I do have clear childhood memories of the green of Emerald City, so maybe I eventually did see it in color, and just never remembered the horse.

(I was probably about 16 when we got a color tv -- I remember being surprised at all the colors in the geometric patterned curtain behind Johnny Carson, lol...)

Anyway -- where were we? 

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At this point, we can’t even be sure Sarah is still living at home. If Mary and Anna are off to college in another state, then Sarah could be anywhere doing anything. All is not what it seems in the Maxwell world. They post about events months after they happen and never tell a full story about anything. This allows them to have other things going on in the background without anyone outside the family knowing. Also, it’s likely Steve and Teri are paying for the college fees so something happened to make them want Mary and Anna to go to college. We will probably never know why.
 

I personally would lose my mind at that type of school but the experience of actually going to any type of college will be beneficial to Mary and Sarah. They will gain independence, even if they do everything together. Just having to make random decisions for themselves will be great for them. Who would have thought that unmarried Maxwell young women would now have more freedom than a single Duggar woman? 

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39 minutes ago, Dandruff said:

Aside from the witches, witchcraft, intoxicating poppy fields, intelligent non-humans, color-changing horse, evil flying monkeys, and talking trees, I believe Steve would find it fairly innocuous.

“There’s no place like home” is right up his alley, and then there’s the theme of not trusting what one sees on the big screen. Very Steve, indeed!

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13 minutes ago, socalrules said:

At this point, we can’t even be sure Sarah is still living at home. If Mary and Anna are off to college in another state, then Sarah could be anywhere doing anything. All is not what it seems in the Maxwell world. They post about events months after they happen and never tell a full story about anything. This allows them to have other things going on in the background without anyone outside the family knowing.  

At least now we can appreciate a little better their struggle we found so baffling to "find a time when it works in everyone's schedules"!

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4 hours ago, Dominionatrix said:

“There’s no place like home” is right up his alley, and then there’s the theme of not trusting what one sees on the big screen. Very Steve, indeed!

Glenda is a good witch. Most fundies don't believe in good witches. I've even known "mainstream conservatives" who had a problem with witches, like in Harry Potter.

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2 minutes ago, fundiefan said:

Sarah seems perfectly fine. She is active on Linked In. Significantly so yesterday. 

Please expound. Sarah’s on LinkedIn? Why?

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I don't know why she's on LinkedIn. The same reason everyone else is? She has a position listed. She interacts with people. likes posts, comments on her brother's posts. 

She is entirely private. If you are a LinkedIn member, you can find her if you're logged in and see what is public. 

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Some of the worst/best points in my life were when I realized I had made a huge mistake and then admitted it and tried to do better. Worst because I had to accept that some people would never forgive me and admitting I was wrong was very humbling. Best because these moments have resulted in the most personal growth. 

It's too bad fundies don't seem to see the value in coming clean. I theorize that it might have something to do with their belief that god has a plan for them. So admitting a mistake might seem like criticizing god. Anyway, what do other's think is the reason behind most (essentially all) fundies inability to admit to own up to their own mistakes?

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On 9/6/2021 at 12:38 PM, fundiewatch said:

Old blog entries, prior to her taking them over, would say things like she “readily accepted” the new modesty standards

I doubt Sarah readily accepted the frumpers -- she had no choice, no voice, no agency to say N.O.  To Stevehovah and Terified that's acceptance.

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2 hours ago, fundiefan said:

Sarah seems perfectly fine. She is active on Linked In. Significantly so yesterday. 

I had no idea Sarah was on LinkedIn, where I see she describes her job as office manager, not novelist or children's book author.

It's also been long enough since I used LinkedIn that I was unaware it had morphed from a business networking site to a place for posting inspirational memes and puppy pictures.

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If Sarah is really living the life SHE wants, I would hope that she has a big pile of money invested somewhere or the house, per the parents final wishes, goes to her. All the boys were given homes for toeing the line( there is no way the money didn’t come from Steve, and even if they “worked” for it, so have the girls). Now the reversal girls are going to college. A used car and dog really don’t equate. Do you think Steve is persnickety enough to deduct decades of room and board from Sarah’s share?

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Can you imagine if Sarah actually got a job outside of the family working in an office? A full time job with insurance and other benefits? Where she might meet non Christians? Wild to think about. 

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1 hour ago, Black Aliss said:

I had no idea Sarah was on LinkedIn, where I see she describes her job as office manager, not novelist or children's book author.

It's also been long enough since I used LinkedIn that I was unaware it had morphed from a business networking site to a place for posting inspirational memes and puppy pictures.

I hate LinkedIn but the past three years, because of mergers, I've had to look for jobs twice. I created my profile the first time around in 2018. Then deactivated it when I got a job. Then we merged & 18 months later, job searching again & I reactivated it. It's been 14 months, but I'm paranoid about deactivating because I work in the same industry that mergers & acquires on the regular and I feel like I will be jinxing my employment if I deactivate. 

Anyway, I've never liked it. When it started I hated all the fake inspiration & "finding meaning" and utter bullshit. Now, as you said, it's cute pets & mems for likes & comments, just like all other social media & I find it completely worthless. 

I only log in when someone sends me a message - which is forwarded to my email to tell me I have a message. Most are from former co-workers with gossip or updates on where people have gotten jobs or left another job or the latest that keeps us hopping. Lately, it's all about - the last place I work that was acquired/merged? Well, the big fish that acquired them has now been acquired by an even bigger fish. Everyone has lots to say so I log in probably once a day to catch all the messages & respond or join in. And since I followed? (is that what people do on LinkedIn? I don't even know) Sarah & Joseph way back when, I see their activity if I look at my feed. 

Sarah's "Office Manager" role is at...CCI. Nathan's gig. She has not moved onto real life in the real world.

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On 9/5/2021 at 10:03 PM, ma_demoiselle said:

Ok, not only are they in college but they actually went AWAY to college? And Steve allowed this? I am gobsmacked.

Are we certain they aren't playing with us and visiting a friend on HER first day??

Maybe Steve realizes they must actually MEET guys to get married????

20 hours ago, theologygeek said:

Are they too old to live in the dorms?  I hope they're not living with friends of their parents and that was the only way they were allowed to live away.  People like the ones that Josh Duggar is living with.  Shudder.  Now I'm scaring myself.  

Many schools like this REQUIRE living on campus. They'll be fine.

Don't the Staddons live in WV? And, there's at least one other family--I'm just not coming up with a name right now? John/Jesse/Someone's wife's family? Hmmmmmmmm

It is accredited too! The college is accredited.

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It is FULLY accredited too! Higher Learning Commission, which accredits (??) my employing college also approved this school.

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6 minutes ago, IReallyAmHopewell said:

Are we certain they aren't playing with us and visiting a friend on HER first day??

Maybe Steve realizes they must actually MEET guys to get married????

Many schools like this REQUIRE living on campus. They'll be fine.

Don't the Staddons live in WV? And, there's at least one other family--I'm just not coming up with a name right now? John/Jesse/Someone's wife's family? Hmmmmmmmm

Yeah, they are there.  The person who broke the news was verified.  

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Just now, theologygeek said:

Yeah, they are there.  The person who broke the news was verified.  

So they really are enrolled? Probably must room together! ha. Still, it's a start. I'm happy for them.

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3 hours ago, fundiefan said:

Sarah seems perfectly fine. She is active on Linked In. Significantly so yesterday. 

This is hilarious.  I was reading Sarah's Linkedin yesterday too.  LOL  She liked a lot of dog pictures.  lol  

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