[CW: Child Sex Abuse] Josh & Anna 33: Ohhh Honey It Is Already a Disaster.....

[JenniferJuniper]

1 hour ago, SorenaJ said:

She is due some time in the autumn. So any time between 1 September - 21 December, depending on how autumn is defined. So if the trial was meant to be 6 July, that would take it to 6 October, so M7 could possibly have been born by then. 

Tack on time for waiting for a sentencing date, and it's almost a given that Josh will still be "out" when the baby is born. Although somehow I don't think being in the delivery room (or the Reber's living room or bathroom) when Anna gives birth is all that high on his priority list. 

[Bethy]

12 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

You have to wonder how seriously people in the Duggar-Reber-Keller world are taking the revelation about Josh watching CSA porn.  They don’t seem as disgusted as we are.

Probably because they don't think Josh did it. They think it was some sort of frame-up that would never have happened if the presidency hadn't been stolen from Trump.

[Alisamer]

18 hours ago, Melissa1977 said:

Why do people find it difficult to believe that someone lose their faith? People stop believing all the time. I almost know no believers (at least, among young people). Yes, it is enterely possible that Josh is a believer, but also possible than he (or some of his siblings) do not believe in any god, even since their childhood or teen ages. It would be absolutely normal (but of course it would be very hard for them to be open about that).

I think it's difficult to believe in this case because that requires actual deep thinking - and I think Josh is pretty light on that. I think their "faith" is and has always been shallow and performative. I would believe it if Jill, who has distanced herself, made decisions different than her parents, and been in therapy, said she'd lost her faith. She's learning to self-examine and to make decisions for herself, and seems able to see that not everything about her childhood was good or even OK.

But Josh? His faith seems to consist of saying the right things and checking off all the right boxes. I don't think he's had any deep thoughts about faith, because he's been discouraged from thinking deeply about anything. He's never had any severe consequences for anything he's done, and has been forgiven for every single misdeed once he claims he's repented, so why would he lose faith? Non-believers tend to judge people on who they are and what they do. His fellow believers seem to be willing to forgive literally anything if he says the right words and pretends to be contrite. 

If he'd "lost his faith" then his problems would be his fault, and he'd have to take responsibility for them. But he's a "believer" so none of it is HIM, it's satan! He tries so hard to resist, but satan! 

 

[CoveredInBees]

3 hours ago, JenniferJuniper said:

Tack on time for waiting for a sentencing date, and it's almost a given that Josh will still be "out" when the baby is born. Although somehow I don't think being in the delivery room (or the Reber's living room or bathroom) when Anna gives birth is all that high on his priority list. 

Is he allowed visits from his children? I know he isn't allowed to live in a home with kids but I cant remember reading about visits. I just wondered whether he would even be allowed in the delivery room?  

[postscript]

3 hours ago, Alisamer said:

I think it's difficult to believe in this case because that requires actual deep thinking - and I think Josh is pretty light on that. I think their "faith" is and has always been shallow and performative. I would believe it if Jill, who has distanced herself, made decisions different than her parents, and been in therapy, said she'd lost her faith. She's learning to self-examine and to make decisions for herself, and seems able to see that not everything about her childhood was good or even OK.

But Josh? His faith seems to consist of saying the right things and checking off all the right boxes. I don't think he's had any deep thoughts about faith, because he's been discouraged from thinking deeply about anything. He's never had any severe consequences for anything he's done, and has been forgiven for every single misdeed once he claims he's repented, so why would he lose faith? Non-believers tend to judge people on who they are and what they do. His fellow believers seem to be willing to forgive literally anything if he says the right words and pretends to be contrite. 

If he'd "lost his faith" then his problems would be his fault, and he'd have to take responsibility for them. But he's a "believer" so none of it is HIM, it's satan! He tries so hard to resist, but satan! 

 

I agree. I would guess it’s been years (if ever) since Josh thought seriously about his faith. He’s just gone on, doing as he’s always done, checking the right boxes. However, based on his actions, he’s gradually strayed farther and farther from his upbringing until the core faith is gone, leaving only the shell of outward observance. If he were asked to dig deep down (assuming he’s even capable of that), I suspect he’d have to admit he has no idea what he really believes.  

[socalrules]

41 minutes ago, CoveredInBees said:

Is he allowed visits from his children? I know he isn't allowed to live in a home with kids but I cant remember reading about visits. I just wondered whether he would even be allowed in the delivery room?  

He is allowed to see the kids as long as Anna is there to supervise. Hasn’t all of Anna’s kids been born at home? If so, she will just probably have it at the Reber’s house. Josh can’t go to his parent’s house or their house or go very many places at all. I assume the easiest thing would be to have the baby where Josh is living. 

[JenniferJuniper]

36 minutes ago, CoveredInBees said:

Is he allowed visits from his children? I know he isn't allowed to live in a home with kids but I cant remember reading about visits. I just wondered whether he would even be allowed in the delivery room?  

My understanding is that they can visit whenever, but only if Anna is present and the Rebers are home with them. He's essentially on house arrest and needs permission to go out.  I was only half joking about the Rebers as I think Anna has only had home births?  I don't know if he'd be allowed to attend a birth in the storage house or the big house; it would probably have to be approved in advance. But if the Rebers are kind enough to allow Anna to give birth on their toilet, I'm sure there would be no issue.  ?

[FleeJanaFree]

Jill said she lost her faith?

[Bluebirdbluebell]

7 minutes ago, FleeJanaFree said:

Jill said she lost her faith?

No that was a hypothetical.

[luv2laugh]

I saw this on the Daily Fail that the Reber daughter is courting Anna's little brother.

Edited June 24, 2021 by luv2laugh

[Alisamer]

15 minutes ago, FleeJanaFree said:

Jill said she lost her faith?

No, she hasn't. I just meant if she came out and said something like that, I'd believe it. But Josh? I don't think he thinks much past how to get away with whatever he's doing with the least trouble possible. 

You have to examine your faith to lose it, IMO.

[EmCatlyn]

44 minutes ago, socalrules said:

He is allowed to see the kids as long as Anna is there to supervise. Hasn’t all of Anna’s kids been born at home? If so, she will just probably have it at the Reber’s house. Josh can’t go to his parent’s house or their house or go very many places at all. I assume the easiest thing would be to have the baby where Josh is living. 

Why?  Josh has never been really involved in the births.   He can just as easily stay at the Rebers while Anna labors at home or the big house and then maybe get a special permission to visit her after the delivery.  It would give him an excuse to get out of the Reber’s house for a few hours, so he might prefer it to having to try to sleep while Anna is giving birth in the next room.

Edited June 24, 2021 by EmCatlyn
Fix typo.

[Melissa1977]

16 minutes ago, FleeJanaFree said:

Jill said she lost her faith?

No, she's still very religious.

[Zebedee]

15 hours ago, Mama Mia said:

the Rebel daughter and Anna’s brother

We can but hope, lol! 
(Sorry, I obviously knew what you meant, but I couldn't help it.)

[Thumper]

4 hours ago, postscript said:

I agree. I would guess it’s been years (if ever) since Josh thought seriously about his faith. He’s just gone on, doing as he’s always done, checking the right boxes. However, based on his actions, he’s gradually strayed farther and farther from his upbringing until the core faith is gone, leaving only the shell of outward observance. If he were asked to dig deep down (assuming he’s even capable of that), I suspect he’d have to admit he has no idea what he really believes.  

I don't think Josh has much faith. He is just to lazy and chicken to have ever struck out and been his own man. Even Doug Phillips eventually left his life when it was no longer profitable.

Edited June 24, 2021 by Thumper

[Jasmar]

On 6/22/2021 at 6:54 PM, Cults-r-us said:

Plus believing in God and being sexually attracted to youth are not mutually exclusive. All the things can be true. Part of Josh may want to live a righteous life. He may hate that he enjoys child porn, but still  he does it, then wishes he could quit.

I dunno, the expression on his face in his mugshot didn’t come across as someone who feels guilt over what he’s done…

[Expectopatronus]

@Jasmar I agree that he didn’t look overly contrite but I don’t know if we can give facial expressions much weight for any gothardite. I was listening to a podcast on the scripts we live by, based on early attachment experiences. Children whose mothers had disrupted attachment patterns and didn’t pick them up when they cried, dismissed their emotions or told them they couldn’t show uncomfortable feelings often  by reflex, show a smiling expression and often cannot label the emotion they are experiencing. Michelle having eleventy kids, blanket training and the abuse all the Duggarlings experienced have messed up all the kids. I doubt any of them, besides Jill, could label their emotions beyond Gothard lingo. I think they all, consciously or unconsciously, wear masks showing the Gothard approved emotions. 

[JustEnough]

16 hours ago, socalrules said:

I assume the easiest thing would be to have the baby where Josh is living. 

For who? Certainly not Mrs. Reber (or Mr Reber either, which we know is much more important ?).

Agreeing to host Josh is one (very stupid as well as perplexing) thing. Hosting an unrelated to them female (and her mother in law and midwife(s) at minimum) to give birth on a unexpected schedule is really way past charity.

And if I’m Anna? Having to travel during labour to a place I wasn’t truly comfortable defeats some of the main perks of homebirth.

 

[Alisamer]

2 hours ago, JustEnough said:

And if I’m Anna? Having to travel during labour to a place I wasn’t truly comfortable defeats some of the main perks of homebirth.

Yeah I think that would absolutely defeat the purpose. I always thought part of the point of homebirth is you're in a place you know and are comfortable, that you prepared yourself (stocked up food you like, for example), have some privacy, no new germs that your body isn't already accustomed to, no having to deal with unfamiliar surroundings in a stressful situation, and when it's all done you can settle in your own bed and rest. 

I think it's likely at some point closer to delivery they'll ask the court to let him attend the delivery, and the court will say yes, in a hospital. But Josh seems pretty useless and like he'd probably have preferred to be an old fashioned sitting-in-the-waiting-room father. He might not mind not being there. And Anna might not care if he's there, either, really. The last thing she needs when laboring is a man-child to worry about.

[fundiewatch]

I don’t think Anna would want to birth in a hospital. She’s managed to birth them all at home right? I’m sure that’s a bit of a badge of honor. 

[Cults-r-us]

16 hours ago, Thumper said:

I don't think Josh has much faith. He is just to lazy and chicken to have ever struck out and been his own man. Even Doug Phillips eventually left his life when it was no longer profitable.

Sadly, both Josh and Doug Phillips have no souls.

19 minutes ago, fundiewatch said:

I don’t think Anna would want to birth in a hospital. She’s managed to birth them all at home right? I’m sure that’s a bit of a badge of honor. 

Plus the cost.

[Meggo]

39 minutes ago, fundiewatch said:

I don’t think Anna would want to birth in a hospital. She’s managed to birth them all at home right? I’m sure that’s a bit of a badge of honor. 

I wonder if the Reber's realized, when signing up to be his babysitter, that they might actually have to handle a home birth too.

[Idlewild]

I’m sure they will ask the court for a variation to allow Josh to be present - but the children would have to be removed from the home presumably to the big house and we know the Duggars don’t think rules apply to them so Michelle will bring them to the house the see their dad. 
it will be interesting to see if they announce the birth on social media. The humpers will lap it up.

 

[SPHASH]

I wonder what kind of "houseguest" Josh is.  Is he a slob, does Mrs. Reber have to clean up after him and cook his meals like she was his wife?

[fundiewatch]

I was under the impression that he has sort of a grandma’s suite. Is that incorrect?