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Mark Driscoll: New Church Same Old Ugly Personality


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Critical theory is about seeing society and history through the lens of power dynamics. Like any theory, it's one way to model and view reality. I think it has a lot of value, especially in revealing how racism and sexism are not just about 1-on-1 personal interactions, but they are systemic. We aren't going to make meaningful progress on those fronts until most people really get that.

Hardly any evangelicals completely embrace critical theory; they see it as opposed to their theology. There are a few who take a more nuanced "what can we learn from this? what parts of this can we take that are useful?" kind of approach.

But for the average pew-sitter, it's become a reflexive negative reaction. They don't even really understand what it is, they just know their team is supposed to be opposed to it. It's being used as a catch-all, just the way Driscoll does in that video clip: "This is why things are so bad today; O that we could return to the good ol' 1950s before critical theory." Same with BLM, or the way evangelicals use the word "woke" as a pejorative, etc. They're not willing to do the work of engaging with the issue, they see the labels and they defensively throw up their hands.

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On 8/8/2021 at 3:31 PM, CrazyCatLady said:

I was very turned off by mark. I always thought it was weird that so many of my friends and family attended the church given mark's obvious misogyny.

All those guys...Kenneth Copeland, Jim Bakker, Driscoll, Joel Osteen, John Piper, Wilson and on and on...insanely red-flag creepy in various ways.  Their essence just radiates "I am a problematic human!" and yet people fall all over themselves with adulation and offers of money. 

I just DO NOT get the appeal.  

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I keep misreading “critical theory” as “critical thinking.”  Well, many evangelicals don’t completely embrace that, either.

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  • 2 weeks later...

Well, guess who found his way to tiktok?  
 

not linking to him.  In the spoiler in a clip/link to That Abby Smith, Exvangelical pastor.
 

Spoiler

 

 

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14 hours ago, clueliss said:

... a clip/link to That Abby Smith, Exvangelical pastor.

Oh my gosh she's brilliant!  This absolutely made my day:  "You reptilian sociopathic serial abuser.  I hope Gen Z finds your videos.  I want to watch them make you cry!" 

 

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Abby, Rachel Spears and April Ajoy have a monthly video/podcast called the HERetics.  (The fourth is Lindsey who had to step back).  I think April is part of the Evangelicalish podcast.  Rachel has her own podcast, The Recovering Evangelical.  Abby is queer and pastors an affirming church in northern Kentucky.

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  • 5 weeks later...

Anyone else still slogging through the CT podcast? The latest drop (second-to-last episode) is a long one, about the leadership breakdown and the issues that ultimately torpedoed Mars Hill. It's person after person after person, each sharing their exit stories (usually after one issue that became the "straw that broke the camel's back").

I wonder if Driscoll is listening to these.

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4 hours ago, Antipatriarch said:

Anyone else still slogging through the CT podcast?

I am. Finished that marathon episode during my daily walks of 3 days. I doubt that Driscoll is listening. Why should he? He got off scot free and is fleecing a new bunch of suckers in AZ. 

What still disturbs me is how clueless all of these ex-members (say they) were. I can't believe they didn't notice the abuse. It seems like as long as THEY were doing OK they didn't give a shit about anything Driscoll said or did. And Mike Cosper is playing the subliminal "Mars Hill just did it wrong" card as are many of the people he interviews.

None of them admit (or perhaps understand) that Driscoll and Mars Hill were the logical outcomes of the abusive church structure at MH and in so many other American evangelical churches.

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