Gwen Shamblin Lara 16: Remnant after Gwen [Gwen and other RF leaders dead in plane crash]

[throwaway9988]

I also have professional certifications that I'm supposed to renew every 2 years.  I do renew them on time every time, but only because my employer keeps track and notifies me when I'm due for renewal.  Otherwise, I'd definitely forget for a year or more.  It's just a card I keep in my wallet with a copy on-file with my employer, and in practice no one ever asks to see it and it doesn't affect my specific job duties, so it's very easy to forget.  

[hoipolloi]

2 minutes ago, Destiny said:

I can't imagine an insurance company on an airplane not having a rule that the pilot needs to have the relevant licenses and any medical checks required or it doesn't pay. Note: I have no idea if insurance on private aircraft is mandatory so this is conjecture. 

Don't know myself but wouldn't anyone using a publicly funded airport be required to have up-to-date insurance for their aircraft & presumably be able to show current maintenance logs and other data? 

If they only took off and landed from their backyard I suppose they could do as they liked, but just like motor vehicles using public roadways, I'd guess they'd have to have current insurance and any records that go with that status.

[Destiny]

Just now, hoipolloi said:

Don't know myself but wouldn't anyone using a publicly funded airport be required to have up-to-date insurance for their aircraft & presumably be able to show current maintenance logs and other data? 

If they only took off and landed from their backyard I suppose they could do as they liked, but just like motor vehicles using public roadways, I'd guess they'd have to have current insurance and any records that go with that status.

I don't know either. I'm comparing to a car where I'm required to have a license and insurance and basic safety checks or there's hell to pay if something bad happens. I really have no idea if similar rules apply for planes, but if they don't, they should.  

[jakesykora]

9 minutes ago, FiveAcres said:

 

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Apparently one needs to go to an authorized FAA physician to be examined. ISB: Is it possible that Joe Lara had been told by his primary care physician that he had a condition that might have prevented him from passing a flight physical? 

 

Assuming the info out there is correct (and it appears to be)...

That's absolutely my guess...either he knew or suspected he wouldn't pass for some reason.

Every pilot I know is fastidious about keeping their medical certification up to date.

If they don't have to go through a particular FAA authorized physician because of who they fly through (some require FAA doctors at certain places) most pilots will stick to whomever has done their previous certifications just because it's so much easier than starting from scratch finding a new doc who is certified that they like, etc.

Like to the extent that many pilots will fly across country just to stick with their certifying doc if the doctor moves or they (the pilot) moves.

IMO it's not at all the kind of thing you 'oh oops' I forgot. You make your appointment many months in advance of when you're going to need to submit your medical documents. It's like an "every mid-June of ___ (frequency or odd/even/whatever) year" standing sort of thing. Even if someone is thinking they may stop flying you'd almost always keep it just so you have it in case you want to go back again (or don't actually stop flying)

[Bluebirdbluebell]

23 minutes ago, AmazonGrace said:

 I just don't see the point of trying to keep up hope in such a way I guess... People who are in denial will be in denial but would anyone else be convinced that there was hope? the first news was that the plane was unable to be contacted and that it was seen going down in a lake. It seems pretty obvious there will be no survivors in such a scenario. Even if somebody survived the first impact they would inevitably drown.

 

It seems likely they were operating without all the facts. Keep in mind they only had a few hours to react and make a statement. There's a difference imo between immediate denial and a denial that stretches on for days, weeks, months, etc.

[AmazonGrace]

Finally found the video where I got Ministry of Piloting from

That's been my location for a while and it seems a little creepy now.

[3splenty]

19 minutes ago, throwaway9988 said:

I also have professional certifications that I'm supposed to renew every 2 years.  I do renew them on time every time, but only because my employer keeps track and notifies me when I'm due for renewal.  Otherwise, I'd definitely forget for a year or more.  It's just a card I keep in my wallet with a copy on-file with my employer, and in practice no one ever asks to see it and it doesn't affect my specific job duties, so it's very easy to forget.  

I have to renew my nursing license every 2 years and I have to have 20 CEUs to send in if I get audited.  We get multiple reminders from the state and we face a fine that increases daily if we work after the due date.  Plus, its due on my birthday, so I can remember that date!.

My newest certifications are not due at that time, but I have it set up to get an email when I have 2 months left.  Then I can find a class, etc.

I also send in a medical certification letter that I am cleared to work--strokes and migraines really mess with you.

Edited May 30, 2021 by 3splenty

[refugee]

I’m not sure how insurance on private planes works, either, but I can recall my dad saying wistfully that he let his private pilot’s license lapse and stopped flying because he couldn’t afford the huge hike in life insurance premiums that someone with a pilot’s license had to pay. Or something to that effect. I was a small child at the time, and evidently my mom insisted on a certain amount of life insurance in the 1960s in case she was left a widow with 5 kids and slim prospects for supporting us. All the working women we knew (a minority in a time when most were homemakers) were nurses, teachers, retail workers, waitresses, or secretaries. She was very intelligent but also suffered from chronic illness, so I can’t imagine her in any of those jobs.

[AmazonGrace]

3 minutes ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

 

It seems likely they were operating without all the facts. Keep in mind they only had a few hours to react and make a statement. There's a difference imo between immediate denial and a denial that stretches on for days, weeks, months, etc.

Yeah, just not sure a lot of extra facts are needed beyond what was available.

IDK but  it seems to me like the statement already took for granted that people died since it wasn't so much about prayers that  Gwen et al get rescued but about how the church will continue after they're gone.

[WorseThan1Thinks]

1 hour ago, WorseThan1Thinks said:

Gwen and Joe had at least 2 airplanes and a helicopter (Gwen tore out her tennis courts in her backyard for a helipad).  Brandon had his own (smaller) airplane too.

Cults can make a lot of money.

A little more info:

As mentioned earlier, the Cessna 501 (N-number: 66BK) that crashed was owned by JL & GL (Joe Lara & Gwen Lara) PRODUCTIONS LP.   

The plane in that video above is a Mitsubishi turbo prop that holds 11 people (N-number: 24WC).

That is actually co-owed by the Day's and JL AND GL PRODUCTIONS LP.

The helicopter (N-number: 567HA) is owned by BRENTWOOD ROTORCRAFT LP.  Kinda vague sounding limited partnership.  But ah, the address is 1850 GENERAL GEORGE PATTON DR.  That's the address of the huge, multi-million dollar warehouse/office complex in Franklin, TN that Gwen owns.

Joe just got his helicopter license around early 2000.  Did they use this to drop off Bibles (or copies of the Weigh Down Diet book) in the remote mountains of Kenya?  No, but they did often fly it to their very nice private cabin in The Smokies. 

Before they paid to block flight information, you could track flights from the airport to Gwen's helipad in her backyard and then from there to eastern TN.  More recently, they requested to block that info so such flights can't be seen:

 

Brandon's plane was a smaller (holds 6) Beech fixed wing. (N-number: 6040R).  Officially owned by Brentwood Aviation, LP.  And there's that 1850 GENERAL GEORGE PATTON DR. address again in the registration.  But this was Brandon's plane.

While these weren't new aircraft, the combination easily passes a million dollars in value.  Flying is an expensive hobby that few can enjoy.  Even fewer aviation hobbyists get to buy multiple toys.  Being Gwen's husband was a great gig for Joe.  Until it killed him and the others.

 

(Anyone can paste these N-numbers in this site and see this public  info:) https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberInquiry

 

Edited May 30, 2021 by WorseThan1Thinks
typos and formatting

[LifelongRFSurvivor]

A little more info:
As mentioned earlier, the Cessna 501 (N-number: 66BK) that crashed was owned by JL & GL (Joe Lara & Gwen Lara) PRODUCTIONS LP.   
The plane in that video above is a Mitsubishi turbo prop that holds 11 people (N-number: 24WC).
That is actually co-owed by the Day's and JL AND GL PRODUCTIONS LP.
The helicopter (N-number: 567HA) is owned by BRENTWOOD ROTORCRAFT LP.  Kinda vague sounding limited partnership.  But ah, the address is 1850 GENERAL GEORGE PATTON DR.  That's the address of the huge, multi-million dollar warehouse/office complex in Franklin, TN that Gwen owns.
Joe just got his helicopter license around early 2000.  Did they use this to drop off Bibles (or copies of the Weigh Down Diet book) in the remote mountains of Kenya?  No, but they did often fly it to their very nice private cabin in The Smokies. 
Before they paid to block flight information, you could track flights from the airport to Gwen's helipad in her backyard and then from there to eastern TN.  More recently, they requested to block that info so such flights can't be seen:

 
Brandon's plane was a smaller (holds 6) Beech fixed wing. (N-number: 6040R).  Officially owned by Brentwood Aviation, LP.  And there's that 1850 GENERAL GEORGE PATTON DR. address again in the registration.  But this was Brandon's plane.
While these weren't new aircraft, the combination easily passes a million dollars in value.  Flying is an expensive hobby that few can enjoy.  Even fewer aviation hobbyists get to buy multiple toys.  Being Gwen's husband was a great gig for Joe.  Until it killed him and the others.
 
(Anyone can paste these N-numbers in this site and see this public  info:) https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberInquiry
 

The 1850 George Patten drive is the “Exodus building”. Before the church was finished being built and there were too many people to fit in the original warehouse we had everything from summer camp, desert oasis seminars, homeschool groups, and baptisms there. Some of “The Last Exodus” was filmed there as well as well as early music videos.
just some RF Trivia!

[throwaway9988]

It really adds insult to injury that because they died, everyone discovered they were on their way to a Trump rally that they sponsored.  That's way more embarrassing than all the people whose deaths revealed autoerotic asphyxiation practices or some weird fetish pornography in a shoebox in their closets.

Edited May 30, 2021 by throwaway9988

[JesusPony]

Is The Tennessean a reputable news source? I've heard of it before, but not sure of its history. The reason I ask is there is a very cut and dry sentence in this article:

According to the Federal Aviation Administration website, no one on that flight was qualified to fly the plane.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2021/05/30/tennessee-plane-crash-saturday-percy-priest-lake/5271905001/

 

[browngrl]

3 hours ago, formergothardite said:

Whoever wrote it must have been deep in shock and they may have been unable to grasp reality. Which is understandable.  

the gossip on one of the reddit subs I follow  is that people are speculating some sort of sabotage/premeditation was involved in the crash and apparently people have reported it to the authorities to investigate. I don't know any of the people involved so I have no idea if there is a grain of  truth to the speculation but it was that phrase ie the controlled landing bit that initially raised people's concerns.

[Destiny]

1 hour ago, JesusPony said:

Is The Tennessean a reputable news source? I've heard of it before, but not sure of its history. The reason I ask is there is a very cut and dry sentence in this article:

According to the Federal Aviation Administration website, no one on that flight was qualified to fly the plane.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2021/05/30/tennessee-plane-crash-saturday-percy-priest-lake/5271905001/

 

I have no commentary on them as a news source since I’m not from the area and have never heard of them, but the information is accurate. I posted a screenshot of his pilot record in this thread.

1 hour ago, browngrl said:

the gossip on one of the reddit subs I follow  is that people are speculating some sort of sabotage/premeditation was involved in the crash and apparently people have reported it to the authorities to investigate. I don't know any of the people involved so I have no idea if there is a grain of  truth to the speculation but it was that phrase ie the controlled landing bit that initially raised people's concerns.

Oh brother! There is literally zero evidence that there is an intentional act here, and frankly, I find the fact that reddit is spreading that shit to be very Reddit, in a bad way. 

Edited May 30, 2021 by Destiny
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[AnnaSofia]

3 hours ago, freefromthin said:

https://deadline.com/2021/05/joe-lara-gwen-lara-plane-crash-tarzan-the-epic-adventures-1234766642/

This article starts out by talking about Joe. When I was doing some reading about him, I saw on his IMDB that he had been in a movie in 2018. I didn't even know that.

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Joe Lara Dies: ‘Tarzan: The Epic Adventures’ Star Dies In Plane Crash With Diet Guru Wife Gwen

This is exactly the framing I initially expected the press to use. I know Gwen has made plenty of appearances in mainstream media, but I don't think I personally know a single person who would know who she is offhand, unless they read FJ. Joe Lara was far from a household name, but people (of a certain age) reading a clickbait headline would at least recognize "90s Tarzan series".

Some of the earlier coverage, like this Daily Beast article, surprisingly doesn't even mention it: https://www.thedailybeast.com/airplane-said-to-carry-gwen-shamblin-lara-and-6-others-crashes-into-percy-priest-lake

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Christian Diet Guru and 6 Others Presumed Dead After Plane Crashes Into Tennessee Lake

‘IMMEDIATE PRAYERS’

Gwen Shamblin Lara’s daughter had texted fellow church members, “My brother and I are asking for immediate prayers right now.”

Jennifer Adams Breaking News Intern

Blake Montgomery Reporter/Editor

Updated May. 29, 2021 11:38PM ET / Published May. 29, 2021 7:21PM ET 

 

A Christian diet guru and six other people are presumed dead after her small plane crashed into the waters of Tennessee lake on Saturday morning.

Authorities were called to the Percy Priest Lake around 11 a.m., not long after the plane took off from the nearby Smyrna Rutherford County Airport. Late Saturday evening, investigators said they believed all seven passengers had perished. The cause of the crash is still under investigation.

The plane, a Cessna C501, belonged Gwen Shamblin Lara, founder of the Remnant Fellowship Church and author of The Weigh Down Workshop, and her husband William J. Lara, who went by Joe. The couple lived in nearby Brentwood and had registered the plane via their company JL&GL Productions LP. The aircraft has not been located, but Tennessee Highway Patrol told News Channel 5 that officers located debris consistent with a Cessna C501 and that a small plane had been seen descending into the water near a boat ramp early Saturday.

Lara’s daughter, Elizabeth Hannah, sent a text message to members of the Remnant Fellowship Church saying that her mother and father were aboard the aircraft when it was forced to make a “quick, controlled landing.” All the plane’s passengers had ties to the church, including Hannah’s own husband Brandon, according to her text. The others aboard were David and Jennifer Martin and Jonathan and Jessica Walters, according to authorities.

“My brother and I are asking for immediate prayers right now, as we have just gotten word that Gwen and Joe Lara’s plane had to go down,” Hannah wrote before authorities said everyone appeared to have been killed.

“More information to come, but be in prayer—and be at peace,” the message continued. “GOD IS IN CONTROL, and we will not stop moving forward with WHAT GOD WANTS with this church.”

 

 

[Coconut Flan]

17 minutes ago, browngrl said:

the gossip on one of the reddit subs I follow  is that people are speculating some sort of sabotage/premeditation was involved in the crash

We don't need that kind of wild speculation here.  There'll be plenty of time to discuss something like that if it turns out to be real.  

[browngrl]

18 minutes ago, Destiny said:

There is literally zero evidence that there is an intentional act here

In this case it is not Reddit's folly - it is second hand via someone's grandparents/grandparent's friends *who apparently go to the church. Doesn't change the crazy just the origin. Anyway, the point I was trying to make (not well unfortunately) it is a very odd phrase and it has caused some people to speculate wildly.

Edited May 30, 2021 by browngrl
* now that I re read this I realize it is actually classic reddit LOL, my mistake

[Destiny]

Just now, browngrl said:

In this case it is not Reddit's folly - it is second hand via someone's grandparents/grandparent's friends who apparently go to the church. Doesn't change the crazy just the origin. Anyway, the point I was trying to make (not well unfortunately) it is a very odd phrase and it has caused some people to speculate wildly.

So a squirrel who knew Anna then. I'm not a fan of spreading stuff like this without a real proof, and not hearsay. Whatever my feelings are about the people on that plane, spreading vicious rumors like this is not a good thing. I'd rather us be better than spreading made up stuff based on the thinnest of sourcing. 

[Zebedee]

2 minutes ago, browngrl said:

In this case it is not Reddit's folly - it is second hand via someone's grandparents/grandparent's friends *who apparently go to the church. Doesn't change the crazy just the origin. Anyway, the point I was trying to make (not well unfortunately) it is a very odd phrase and it has caused some people to speculate wildly.

Apparently, it's Gwen's niece who is suspicious. However, since one in two people on the internet is an axe murderer, it's probably not. Even if it were her niece, it's really not on to spread rumours of foul play. 

[JermajestyDuggar]

Unfortunately we are of the age that conspiracy theories will always happen after traumatic publicly known events. It was inevitable that there would be some after this crash and I bet there will be plenty more in the future. I just ignore them for the most part. 

[FiveAcres]

In any case, I suspect it will be a long time before the National Transportation Safety Board issues a report on the crash. I found this statement on their website:

The investigative process can take 5 or more years. The NTSB Accident database contains preliminary and final reports. The average time for an investigative process is 2-3 years.

https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:9:::NO::P9_REGION_VAR:2

[Destiny]

2 minutes ago, Zebedee said:

Apparently, it's Gwen's niece who is suspicious. However, since one in two people on the internet is an axe murderer, it's probably not. Even if it were her niece, it's really not on to spread rumours of foul play. 

If I thought my Aunt's husband committed several homicides, the LAST thing, like the very last would be posting about it on reddit, especially the literal next day. It still sounds like Reddit bullshit to me, and damaging and cruel bullshit at that. 

Edited May 30, 2021 by Destiny

[hoipolloi]

1 hour ago, WorseThan1Thinks said:

That's the address of the huge, multi-million dollar warehouse/office complex in Franklin, TN that Gwen owns.

Is this also Gwen's RF or something else? If it is, interesting that it's a non-profit (since 2003) but there are NO IRS 990s available:

[Zebedee]

1 minute ago, Destiny said:

It still sounds like Reddit bullshit to me, and damaging and cruel bullshit at that. 

Yep. Actually, it's even worse, implying Elizabeth is involved. People really suck