Lori Alexander 79: False Female Bible Teachers Elevate Jesus’ Words over the Apostle Paul’s

[Hane]

3 hours ago, NotQuiteMotY said:

We have a couple of nurses in the family that are, for some unknown reason, refusing to get the vaccine. Seriously.

At my pre-op intake session, my nurse told me that nurses and other healthcare professionals in his system (Hartford Healthcare) were quitting their jobs rather than take the mandated vaccines. He said, “That makes them essentially unemployable in this part of the country, because they automatically wind up on a no-hire list. Imagine investing all that time and money in a career, only to throw it all away.”

[SongRed7]

I love Pastor John Pavlovitz and what he has to say about those who say "they don't live in fear" and "they trust God to protect them from COVID" or like Lori talked about how  organic, "nutritious" food will always cure everything.  Who do they think invented science?  I like this blog of John from August....it hits the nail on the head 

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2021/08/09/christians-trust-god-not-science-until-they-cant-breathe/

Just like Lori doesn't trust "medicine" until she does (Ken's Lyme disease/heart issues, her brain tumor, etc).  Their argument all fall apart pretty quickly. 

[louisa05]

Thomas Jefferson was a proponent of public education and founded the first public university. And he had his entire household inoculated against small pox. 
 

Shhh….no one tell Lori. 

Edited October 6, 2021 by louisa05

[SongRed7]

Lori's trying real hard to go viral again. She has posted on several of her platforms yesterday and today (on repeat) about how in years past  women were fired from their jobs once they got married because people "valued keepers at home."   So far I haven't seen too much push back (well, she also limits comments on almost all of her sites now so there's that) but she keeps posting it over and over again. 

It feels like she's trying to start controversy about how its OK to fire a woman simply because she's married. (just like she advocates that women can't vote.)....Well if that happened Ken and his son's would all be out of jobs because Ortho offices couldn't function as they are primarily staffed by women (and presumably most of them are married and have kids) so many of those practices would presumably no longer cease to exist

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

So ........ if in years past married women were fired from their jobs, how did married Lori even get hired, and then why wasn't she fired immediately when the school realized she was married?

I know Lori's an idiot, but is she so stupid not to realize her own job experience (as little as it is) contradicts what she says. Which makes her seem even more stupid.

How many years past is she talking 20? 30? 50? 75? 100?  Never in my working life.

My MIL was a chemist when she got married (2 years after college).  She quit her job when she married as was expected at the time (1950s) by society and her social class. I firmly believe she's been seriously, severely ticked about it ever since.

It made her a bitter, angry, resentful, mean woman who hated being a SAHW (for many years before children) and SAHM.  She took out all that negativity on her children (especially Mr. Dress). She had the big expensive house, housekeeper, wealthy, country club, leading social set, etc. etc.. life and hated every minute of it.  MIL saw her children as what ruined her life (she never wanted any).so she made them pay for it by her treatment (the stories Mr. Dress has).  She wasn't nice to her husband either. 

She was/ is a huge advocate of married women should never work and only be SAHW/M.  She has the "if I can't have it, no one else can" mindset.

TL; DR:  Lori reminds me a lot of my MIL.

Edited October 7, 2021 by Red Hair, Black Dress

[Loveday]

1 hour ago, SongRed7 said:

Lori's trying real hard to go viral again. She has posted on several of her platforms yesterday and today (on repeat) about how in years past  women were fired from their jobs once they got married because people "valued keepers at home."   So far I haven't seen too much push back (well, she also limits comments on almost all of her sites now so there's that) but she keeps posting it over and over again. 

It feels like she's trying to start controversy about how its OK to fire a woman simply because she's married. (just like she advocates that women can't vote.)....Well if that happened Ken and his son's would all be out of jobs because Ortho offices couldn't function as they are primarily staffed by women (and presumably most of them are married and have kids) so many of those practices would presumably no longer cease to exist

If she really wants to go viral again--and of course she does!--she shot herself in the foot yesterday. She announced on FB that she's blocking anyone and everyone who leaves a laughing emoji on a comment or post. She hasn't stopped to think that those people are the very ones who MAKE her go viral. Without them, she'll just have posts with a couple hundred or so comments (if even that many), all in agreement with her. 

Echo chambers don't go viral on the internet, Lori. 🙄

[Hane]

@Red Hair, Black Dress, she was forced to go to college by her evil father who wanted her to be able to support herself, and to take a teaching job by her evil husband who realized they couldn’t maintain a household on one salary. So much for men “valuing keepers at home.” I’m just a few years older than Lori, and all the dads of my father’s generation wanted their daughters to have the education or training to support themselves.

I used to work for Ma Bell (hired in 1980). Until 1978, when employees got pregnant, they were cheerfully “let go” when they hit 7 months, and “allowed” to re-apply for their jobs as brand new hires after they recovered from childbirth. They had to work for *five years* to recoup their seniority, pension benefits, and former salary. One of my colleagues, who was the sole support of her family due to her husband’s injury at work, was a figure in the class action suit against the company in 1978.

When I told some not-much-younger women about this (they were in their 50s), they cried, “But that’s illegal!” I said, “It didn’t use to be, and RBG is why it isn’t anymore!”

Lori’s views on SAHW/Ms not only don’t line up with history, they don’t jibe with her actual life experiences.

[SongRed7]

44 minutes ago, Loveday said:

Echo chambers don't go viral on the internet, Lori. 🙄

This so much!  When it all comes down to it, she's really not that bright. Maybe when she abandoned her old blog "always learning" .....it would be more appropriately named "never learning" (and darn proud of it!)

[Loveday]

I think we all know the answer to this: 

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But do you block people making racist comments that true churches only allow white people?

Of course not. She 'likes' those posts, not to mention the ones blaming Jewish people for everything that's wrong with the world. 

[Alisamer]

Ugh Lori is seriously one of the stupidest people I have ever encountered.

Women have always, always, always worked. Always. Forever. Since the beginning of time.

It hasn't always been paid work, but they have worked. When cooking took hours and laundry took days, "keeping a house" was a full time job. And wives, on top of the cooking and laundry, would also have been growing food, doing the marketing, sewing and mending clothing, and in many cases working alongside her husband on the family farm or in the family business. All this on top of child care. That was all work, whether they got paid for it or not. Even the wealthy and high class women had work - running a household that was essentially a business of it's own with many employees, and keeping up the social necessities required to help her husband's business interests succeed. 

The "olden days" Lori dreams of only existed for a VERY short period of time in the middle of the last century, and even then only for the upper middle class and the wealthy, and not even all of them. 

My grandmothers both worked until retirement. They might have taken a few years off to raise their children, but they worked after marriage and after their children were old enough to care for themselves. My mom did the same thing. I have one aunt who, after having kids, never went back to work... but they are wealthy, and she keeps herself busy other ways. My sister is married, and never once thought about being a stay-at-home-wife. She earns her own money, owns her own car, and owns the house they live in (in her name only). If something happens to her husband? She'll be fine. Lori, though? She needs her ATM named Ken, since she's a lazy slug. 

Lazy Lori wants it to be the standard for women to lie around idle after getting married, because this is the ONE thing she preaches that she actually did! Sort of. A little. She worked after marriage. She worked after her first child was born. She tricked Ken into getting her pregnant with their second child, and then proceeded to lie around on the sofa while a nanny cared for the children and the housekeeper kept the house up for her and Ken managed everything.  

[SongRed7]

Lori's on a video tear again.  Two things
1 -- she seems a little more unraveled than usual and is stumbling over words (and I think she's referring to Sheila G. as the "influencer" she is against right now )

2-- Who thinks she looks especially gaunt in the video? (like she has lost more weight off her already tiny frame)  She doesn't look well. 

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

[feministxtian]

Bitch done lost what was left of her mind. She looks like hell. She needs to get off her high horse and admit of all the times she's lied. 

[Pammy]

Today Lori shares the views of Mr. J.R. Miller of 1882. (For those of you wondering how far back Lori's nostalgic viewpoint lands, here it is: 140 years ago.)

Miller thinks women should 'inspire' their husbands 'toward all that is noble and Christlike' though her 'purpose' and 'strength of character'. She offers 'wise counsel' and strengthens her husband. I'm not sure why Lori, lover of patriarchy, is in favour of women's leadership in the home -- especially the spiritual leadership of her husband's soul. I think if Miller didn't go on to mention housekeeping later even Lori's abysmal reading comprehension might have caught these implications of insubordination.

Not that Miller elevates a wife's role beyond keeping the house, but it's intriguing that he acknowledges that in good marriages each person builds the other person up, and that a person can benefit from the kindness and genuine support of their spouse. He seems to be of the, "Behind every great man stands a great woman." -- school of thought.

Lori, however, misses every nuance. She's enjoying the quote for the supposedly shocking idea that married people might actually support and love each other in ways that materially benefit the other person. Of course Lori thinks that *only* women should be that way. And that's where the flaw is. In relationships where both people give, no one is scandalized by the idea of spouses supporting one another. It's only when there is one who gives and the other who only takes that people object to selflessness in marriage.

As for the concluding proof text, Proverbs acknowledges a woman's power to build and lead a family well -- and also the risk of her bad decisions having real consequences. Lori thinks this means that women should keep quiet and clean the house.

[feministxtian]

I think that's where I parted ways with the evangelical church. I always understood complementary in the relationship sense to mean that each has strengths and weaknesses and the goal was to balance those out between the two. 

I still don't get Lori's beef with women. I did and do love my husband, nobody had to "teach" me how to love him. One look at him and my heart went pitter-patter and the butterflys would start soaring again. And, yes, that was even after 20 years. I worked full time too! I didn't have to learn to love my children OR grandchildren. Some of my children are not blood kin to me but that doesn't matter, they're MY kids. One of my grandchildren isn't blood kin to me either. I nearly punched the shit out of some smart ass who had the audacity to tell me that this grandchild wasn't really my grandchild. Ummm, no. She is MINE. 

Hell, I didn't have to learn to love my dog even though she's a pain in the ass at times. Same with the ferocious felines even though Big Stupid Fatass is hogging my desk space because he's an asshole with attachment issues. 

[NotQuiteMotY]

7 hours ago, SongRed7 said:

It feels like she's trying to start controversy about how its OK to fire a woman simply because she's married. (just like she advocates that women can't vote.)....Well if that happened Ken and his son's would all be out of jobs because Ortho offices couldn't function as they are primarily staffed by women (and presumably most of them are married and have kids) so many of those practices would presumably no longer cease to exist

Any medical office, really. The doctors may be all male, all female, or a mix, but the support staff (i.e. the ones who make the place run) are almost always female. My dentist? Male dentist, one male hygienist, all other hygienists and office staff female. Similar thing at my eye doctor. My OB's office? One male doctor, several female doctors and NPs, all female support staff. My PCP, dermatologist, allergist? Male and female doctors, almost or entirely female support staff. If even a portion of the women in any of those offices were to just "go home," everything would grind to a halt.

[kpmom]

7 hours ago, Red Hair, Black Dress said:

My MIL was a chemist when she got married (2 years after college).  She quit her job when she married as was expected at the time (1950s) by society and her social class. I firmly believe she's been seriously, severely ticked about it ever since.

It made her a bitter, angry, resentful, mean woman who hated being a SAHW (for many years before children) and SAHM.  She took out all that negativity on her children (especially Mr. Dress). She had the big expensive house, housekeeper, wealthy, country club, leading social set, etc. etc.. life and hated every minute of it.  MIL saw her children as what ruined her life (she never wanted any).so she made them pay for it by her treatment (the stories Mr. Dress has).  She wasn't nice to her husband either. 

 

My mother worked when she was married but stayed home once she had children and also resented it.  She was all set to go back to work when her youngest was turning five, and guess what?  Surprise , surprise, I came along and she was stuck for another five years.  She was not at all happy about it and let me know. This was before "the pill", and before day care was a thing.  It had nothing to do with being married, it was that there wasn't child care available.  I don't know what years Lori is referring to either.

Some women love being SAHW and SAHM, and some definitely do not!

[feministxtian]

2 minutes ago, kpmom said:

I don't know what years Lori is referring to either.

The "Leave it to Beaver" immediate post-war period. That "perfect" time where women were subservient, men ruled the roost, children were seen and not heard and every one lived a middle class life and men only had white-collar jobs. 

HAHAHAHAHA! I was born in 1964. My dad was a blue-collar shlub who got dirty for a living. My dad retired a blue-collar shlub. My mom had a traditionally "pink collar" job, she worked as one of those nasty people who call you and tell you to pay your bill. She went back to work when I was 10 or so. 

My paternal grandmother worked full time. My maternal grandmother didn't b/c her family was "loaded". All that shit got left in Cuba. Almost every woman I know has generations of working women. Even, believe it or not, divorces and "shacking up"! And I'm talking about before I was born (back in the dark ages). 

That woman is not from the same planet I live on. 

[louisa05]

So I'm trying to watch her video...yikes. She just said that feminists want to "get rid of anything that has to do with patriarchy and abuse" as if getting rid of abuse is a bad thing. I can't even with her... She really can't coherently talk about anything. Immediately following that, she says that some Bible verses "can't not apply to women" when I think she means "shouldn't". Also, reading social media comments is not "research", Lori. She thinks that the Bible gives us commands about porn--and, of course, if your husband does, it's all your fault. Because obviously people only use porn if they've been "deprived sexually" by their spouse and only men use porn. She does suggest that maybe some men (because women would never use porn!) aren't "deprived sexually" and still use porn, so their wives are not at fault. I'm a little shocked by that. Apparently, though, women are responsible for every bad thing and the problem is that we just don't want to take responsibility ( a word she struggles to say more than once---she is not well). She believes that everyone (and by everyone, she means women) thinks they have been abused and that has "watered down" abuse. I don't know what watering down abuse means??? Acknowledging it, apparently! How dare we! She doesn't know anyone who was really abused. Women just claim they are because they don't want to take responsibility and they aren't behaving in a "godly" way. There is no emotional or spiritual abuse. And then she goes on about how women think they shouldn't suffer. So apparently, we need to suffer at the hands of our husbands. It makes us better Christians and no divorce! Then we're back to "win (him) without a word". 

This reminds me of all the evangelical preaching I heard endlessly in my former life about how HARD marriage is. Marriage is HARD. And marriage will make you SOB in agony. And your husband will HURT and WOUND you. And that's how it was supposed to be. I'm thankful that that has not been my experience at all. If it were, the marriage would end. 

On that note, Lori goes on to tell us it's a "spiritual battle". Ugh....But all you need is a "godly older woman" to advise you and it will be okay. And I was done around there....

As others have said, she looks worse. Her face is sunken. She is having trouble organizing her thoughts. She says this is about women "influencers" online, but she doesn't really talk about that. She just rambles about how women are supposed to suffer and put up with abuse in marriage. 

[Jackie3]

Wow, sent my blood pressure right up when I heard her announce that only physical abuse was real abuse, and everything else was whining by women.

In Lori's world, there is no such thing as sexual abuse. No such thing as emotional abuse.

Physical abuse causes so much horror and destruction, and it's often something people don't want to talk about. I've seen how it completely destroys the lives of women (and men, too, though they die from PA at a much lower rate). And children. The children really suffer.When you watch someone get beaten up, it stays with you for your entire life, and it destroys your nervous system and can cause a lifetime of triggers and flashbacks.

With that said, I still think she's absolutely insane to say that emotional abuse, spiritual abuse, and sexual abuse are imaginary things dreamed up by rebellious women. How can she say that? Why is one thing so terrible Lori actually gives you permission to leave (temporarily), but the other things are imaginary?

I'd never marry, if I lived with her beliefs. That's a whole lot of suffering, just to get bed and board. My own mother remained trapped in her marriage because she believed the things Lori spouts, and her suffering made her sick and she died quite young.

If that video is on Youtube, it should be reported. 

[Jackie3]

If anyone wants to report her video to youtube, I think these are the points she makes that qualify as reportable:

2:30 "I believe a wife can be responsible for a husband's looking at porn"

2:54  "She is partly responsible" for porn viewing by her husband

3:00 A wife is responsible only when she is depriving her husband. If she doesn't deprive him, then:  "Those wives have no responsibility whatsoever"

5:24  Only physical abuse is real. "If you're feeling abused in any way by your husband -- unless it's physical abuse -- if it's emotional, or spiritual or whatever, you need to seek the advise of an older, godly woman because women are so free to call everything abuse today."

6:05  Emotional/spiritual abuse is caused by women's nagging.

8: 00 "If [a wife] is being emotionally abused or something else, she needs wise counselor and mentoring. . . "

And this one isn't reportable but it is funny, because Lori's mind is so mixed up: 6:29 This one's just funny--"Cruel men abuse their husbands"

 

Edited October 8, 2021 by Jackie3

[Idlewild]

My mother was fired in 1956 because the company she worked for had a policy of not employing married women. This was in England, a large, well respected company. I still have the letter- I gave a copy to my organisation’s hr manager & she uses it in presentations about inclusion policies and why we need them. 
My mother retrained as a social worker & did more good than Lori can imagine. 

[SongRed7]

10 hours ago, Jackie3 said:

6:29 This one's just funny--"Cruel men abuse their husbands"

I caught that too and had to laugh....and like a broken clock that is right twice a day, that was a true statement. Cruel men CAN abuse their husbands...just like cruel men can abuse their wives, too. LOL 

[Sarcastically spinster]

16 hours ago, Jackie3 said:

8: 00 "If [a wife] is being emotionally abused or something else, she needs wise counselor and mentoring. . . "

 

To be fair, it's actually a true statement.  

But that wise counsel and mentoring is, like, therapy and stuff.  Not a pastor telling that wife all the sin she did to make it happen.  

[Jackie3]

1 hour ago, Sarcastically spinster said:

To be fair, it's actually a true statement.  

But that wise counsel and mentoring is, like, therapy and stuff.  Not a pastor telling that wife all the sin she did to make it happen.  

I should have included the rest. .. she needs wise counseling and mentoring from an older godly woman who will teach her that she is nagging and manipulating and how she has lost sight of Timothy 1 and that she should live in subjection to her husband.

Or some such stuff.

6 hours ago, SongRed7 said:

I caught that too and had to laugh....and like a broken clock that is right twice a day, that was a true statement. Cruel men CAN abuse their husbands...just like cruel men can abuse their wives, too. LOL 

I know, it's just she'd never admit that a man can have a husband. God wants marriage to be between a man and woman, ya know!

13 hours ago, Idlewild said:

My mother was fired in 1956 because the company she worked for had a policy of not employing married women. This was in England, a large, well respected company. I still have the letter- I gave a copy to my organisation’s hr manager & she uses it in presentations about inclusion policies and why we need them. 
My mother retrained as a social worker & did more good than Lori can imagine. 

Not only is that insanely stupid, it's infuriating. If all companies had policies like this, married women were essentially trapped in abusive marriages. Only those with supportive families or friends could leave, really. They'd have no way to support themselves.

[Sarah92]

Ugh I can’t even deal with Lori and her nonsense. Working in a health system I hear about the nurses who want to quit because of the vaccine which is beyond ridiculous. We HAVE to get the flu shot every year, how is this different? Why would you potentially ruin your career over this? No hospital or big establishment will want you. But then again I was subjected to the ER doctor watching Tucker Carlson while I was doing paperwork for a crisis I attended to. So that was torture at 2 in the morning.