[CW: Child Sex Abuse] Josh & Anna 31: Charged on 2 LaCounts

[NancyDrewFan1989]

1 hour ago, nst said:

who the hell would take them seriously at this point. 

i mean please. 

even the marrieds imo are affected with this - they can't spew their brands with any rational person liking anything they post. Jill is just Jill and seems oblivious

Unfortunately, they have "fans" who are blaming this all on Satan and what not. Sadly, no matter what happens there are people who will follow them and take them seriously. The comment section under their statement on Duggar's family website is filled with them. 

[Bethella]

4 hours ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

The previous sale was for $212,135 in July 2013, so either someone spent two and a half years trashing the place, or Josh got a heck of a deal.

It had been trashed. Aside from pictures on the real estate listing, there were pictures on David and Priscilla’s blog showing the Kellers helping with the renovations. That’s how we confirmed they were living in the warehouse before moving into the house.  Pictures of the warehouse and the other house here, including Josh. https://www.davidlovespriscilla.com/visit-with-family/

Edited May 14, 2021 by Bethella
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[EmCatlyn]

14 hours ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

I can't believe you find that funny.  Time to close my browser.

I find ridiculous ideas funny.  It is ridiculous for anyone to seriously argue that ultrasounds could be considered porn.  I am laughing at such people.  

13 hours ago, Howl said:

Well, "porn" is used in many non sexual contexts to describe looking at something someone finds appealing, interesting, sexy, beautiful.   I'm a cyclist.  People posting pics of their new bikes on social media is sometimes referred to as bike porn (or pron, but the meaning is understood). 

With the Quiverfull pregnancy fetish + fj snark, ultra sounds could def be considered fundy porn and we'd find it humorous.  But with Josh casting a pall over everything... 

Good point about fundies and ultrasounds.  But I doubt the FBI is concerned about people passing around and exchanging ultrasounds. ?

[Dandruff]

25 minutes ago, Cam said:

Yes, the latest charges against Josh put a black cloud over the whole Duggar franchise. It’s a stain that can’t be removed.

Don’t you think the prosecution will float the idea that many, many more private (and salacious) details about the Duggars could potentially surface during a very public trial trying to convince Josh and his lawyers to take a plea deal.  JB will want Josh to finally take the fall for his own wrongdoings in order to spare the rest of the family and to save the Duggar brand from unrecoverable ruin.

I think if/when JB becomes convinced that Josh will be doing time, he'll encourage him to take a plea deal.  It'll save the Duggars legal fees and, over time, I believe a shorter sentence could later be spun to imply that he wasn't longer-sentence guilty and/or he took the deal because he was afraid of the effect a longer sentence would have on his kids.

[EmCatlyn]

12 hours ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

With what is at the basis of this discussion, horrific violent sexual torture of an infant I don't see how any jokes about sexual abuse about any innocent child can be humorous.  

We all know what the word porn means in a non-sexual context, but given the circumstances of this discussion how anyone can use it to be funny is beyond me.  I think the post you're quoting is one of the most tone deaf, noxious things I've seen on FJ in any thread.  

I am sorry you feel that way Buffy, but as I understood it, we were talking about people claiming that Josh had pictures of ultrasounds, not porn.  

So clearly the context was non-sexual.  I can’t imagine any possible sexual anything about looking at (collecting?) ultra-sound pics.   The absolute absurdity that anyone would seriously suggest that the FBI would confuse porn with ultrasound pictures seemed to me laughable.

That was all that I was mocking,  I was certainly not suggesting any connection between child abuse porn and ultrasounds.  My whole point was that there is no way ultrasounds could be mistaken for porn.

 

[carmenp97]

1 hour ago, Cam said:

Yes, the latest charges against Josh put a black cloud over the whole Duggar franchise. It’s a stain that can’t be removed.

Don’t you think the prosecution will float the idea that many, many more private (and salacious) details about the Duggars could potentially surface during a very public trial trying to convince Josh and his lawyers to take a plea deal.  JB will want Josh to finally take the fall for his own wrongdoings in order to spare the rest of the family and to save the Duggar brand from unrecoverable ruin. 

 

I don’t think this is an angle the prosecution will use. Maybe the “spare your wife and kids the trauma of a public trial” angle will be floated. But “save the family brand?” Nope. 

[Not that josh's mom]

I have several relatives living in NW Arkansas. Springdale, Lowell, Bentonville.  I've asked them about the Duggars and the response has mostly been "oh, don't they have a bunch of kids?". So I don't really know how well known they are in the area. None of my relatives are going to church where they might run into them either though. 

[Smoochie]

If I remember correctly when Josh & Anna sold the house and moved to the warehouse it was due to a lawsuit that Josh was involved in, there was perhaps an ownership change too (?) and it was reasoned that it was to remove the assets from his name so there would be nothing to win, or for them to lose should judgement be against him.  Perhaps someone remembers more of the details.

Edited May 14, 2021 by Smoochie

[JenniferJuniper]

1 hour ago, Cam said:

Yes, the latest charges against Josh put a black cloud over the whole Duggar franchise. It’s a stain that can’t be removed.

Yes, it's downright Shakespearean

[CyborgKin]

I've seen an idea floating through the twittersphere and tabloids that alleges that 'Anna thinks Biden is behind all this', but I haven't seen any actual source for this rumour and it's just something people keep quoting without checking that it's real.  Does anyone know where this idea got started?  Is this some woacb nonsense?

[PennySycamore]

@CyborgKin,  WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK?  about that rumor.  That sounds batshit crazy.

[luv2laugh]

Clark Wilson’s son just got done leaving a video calling out Josh... He says his dad was JB’s pastor and says JB needs to stop taking up for Josh. WOACB posted his video on her YouTube. I know people don’t like her but I find the video she posted of Clark’s son calling out JB for supporting Josh interesting.

Edited May 14, 2021 by luv2laugh

[Marionette]

52 minutes ago, CyborgKin said:

I've seen an idea floating through the twittersphere and tabloids that alleges that 'Anna thinks Biden is behind all this', but I haven't seen any actual source for this rumour and it's just something people keep quoting without checking that it's real.  Does anyone know where this idea got started?  Is this some woacb nonsense?

I have heard this, too, but not sure where it came from. Don’t know about Anna, but I’m almost for certain several Duggar family friends believe that this whole thing is a set up by the evil liberals to persecute a “famous” Christian like Josh Duggar and make an image out of him. Hate to break it to them, but.... 1. this investigation started when the Nazi Cheeto was in office, and 2. Josh Duggar isn’t that famous. 

@luv2laugh the full video is up on Jake’s instagram, which is public, if anyone else wants to watch without giving WOACB views/clicks. I haven’t watched the whole thing yet, so I can’t comment except good for him for speaking out. 

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[AussieKrissy]

35 minutes ago, luv2laugh said:

Clark Wilson’s son just got done leaving a video calling out Josh... He says his dad was JB’s pastor and says JB needs to stop taking up for Josh. WOACB posted his video on her YouTube. I know people don’t like her but I find the video she posted of Clark’s son calling out JB for supporting Josh interesting.

So Wilson was the failed courtship daughter for smugar? Is it the Dad that died or the one that helped the Duggars build the bates house 

Edit also could you summarise what was said so we dont have to give her hits please?

Edited May 14, 2021 by AussieKrissy

[JenniferJuniper]

54 minutes ago, CyborgKin said:

I've seen an idea floating through the twittersphere and tabloids that alleges that 'Anna thinks Biden is behind all this', but I haven't seen any actual source for this rumour and it's just something people keep quoting without checking that it's real.  Does anyone know where this idea got started?  Is this some woacb nonsense?

I believe Without A Clue did repeat this.  But I actually can see Josh telling Anna that the evil liberals planted bad things on his computer in order to take down the mighty Josh Duggar.  Who lives in a storage unit and works out of a trailer on a used car lot.  

[Bluebirdbluebell]

51 minutes ago, luv2laugh said:

Clark Wilson’s son just got done leaving a video calling out Josh... He says his dad was JB’s pastor and says JB needs to stop taking up for Josh. WOACB posted his video on her YouTube. I know people don’t like her but I find the video she posted of Clark’s son calling out JB for supporting Josh interesting.

Clark Wilson had several sons. Which one? It sounds hinky he doesn't have a name.

[Queen Of Hearts]

My prediction: once Boob gets the details of what Josh was viewing and realizes there is no getting past this he will drop Josh like a hot potato and try to spin a story of their 'big family supporting each other in this terrible time' to the public to try to remain relevant. 

"We will always love our son Josh but his crimes can not be forgiven.  We are coming together as a family to support Anna and the kids as we all try to come to terms with what has happened.  Please respect out privacy (while still continuing to read our People magazine interviews and watch our TLC specials and buy the crap we shill on social media)."

I don't think it will work to save the Counting On brand, mind you, but some of the siblings will probably be able to keep decent social media followings if they are smart and try to distance themselves from Josh and the Duggar name as a whole.  

[amaznmom2u]

22 minutes ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

Clark Wilson had several sons. Which one? It sounds hinky he doesn't have a name.

Jake Wilson. 

[luv2laugh]

45 minutes ago, AussieKrissy said:

So Wilson was the failed courtship daughter for smugar? Is it the Dad that died or the one that helped the Duggars build the bates house 

Edit also could you summarise what was said so we dont have to give her hits please?

It’s on his public Instagram below. He calls out JB and says he knew Josh was a pervert. Also, no it wasn’t his daughter. Yes, he helped with the house build.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CO0WKyHF62m/?igshid=54hmh719kc8q

Edited May 14, 2021 by luv2laugh

[Bethella]

2 hours ago, Smoochie said:

If I remember correctly when Josh & Anna sold the house and moved to the warehouse it was due to a lawsuit that Josh was involved in, there was perhaps an ownership change too (?) and it was reasoned that it was to remove the assets from his name so there would be nothing to win, or for them to lose should judgement be against him.  Perhaps someone remembers more of the details.

The house was moved to an LLC (ALB Investments) just before the Danica Dillon lawsuit back in 2015. They stayed there for another couple of years before selling it. This article was before they confirmed that ALB was Josh and Anna. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3330441/amp/Josh-Duggar-s-dream-home-sold-mystery-investment-company-tied-longtime-member-family-s-inner-circle-two-days-porn-star-accused-violent-paid-sex-sessions.html
 

This article is from when it was put back on the market in 2019. https://starcasm.net/josh-and-anna-duggars-house-photos/
 

And an article confirming that they were living in the warehouse from 2020. https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/1415834/josh-anna-duggar-living-jim-bob-warehouse-six-kids/amp/

[zimona]

10 hours ago, Jinder Roles said:

After listening to the podcast (which I believe is legit or else this Justin guy deserves an award) is that Josh really knows his way around a computer and has for a minute. 

Justin sees Josh's passwords as reflecting comfort rather than being unintelligent. He compares it to forgetting to lock a car door because you feel safe where you are. He thinks Josh has been doing this for a long time. 

That's scary to think about. 

I really appreciate the podcast for highlighting the toxic structures of fundamentalist and conservative Christianity. These environments harbour all kinds of abuse and isms (sexism, racism, fatphobia, ableism, xenophobia etc). 

This^^^^

What really stuck with me after listening to the 1st episode, was all that talk about "Satan attacking". Justin (and his wife) explained in great lengths the fundie-mindset that might have been prevalent in Josh, JB, and others in the church, when Josh was disciplined for his "porn-problem" (more likely the molestations). 

Justin explains, that due to Josh being the golden child, and "reeking of destiny" (as he put it), this "Satan attack" will most likely have been viewed as some distinction or a "badge of honour". Meaning, that the attack (and the "serverity" of it) shows Josh being "chosen" for a "greater destiny", so Satan considers him 'important' enough to severely attack him (and thus God's plans with Josh). This will most likely have been also prevalent in Josh's thinking. So the church discipline in this context was yet another "distinction", and I think it's quite possible that this train of thought might have helped him to get through this. This also explains to me why nothing changed afterwards and Josh just carried on as he did before and got deeper and deeper into the quagmire. When "being under attack" is not your fault, there's no reason to change your behaviour, right?

To me this again shows the degree of mental gymnastics that are happening in those circles in order to ward off cognitive dissonances or doubts or whatever.

It also shows that "personal responsibilty" for your actions is not a concept that is held high in those circles. Everything and anything is externalized and pinned either on God (the good stuff, but also God 'testing' you) or Satan (attack, temptation). Having grown up in a fundie environment myself I kind of know this mechanism to a lesser degree out of my own experience. It was only by externalizing all that stuff, esp. the undesirable stuff, that made the pressure of having to be 'perfect' somewhat bearable.

This is not to defend Josh and his actions, it's rather an attempt to look behind the surface and find some possible answers to "how could this happen?" and "why did this end up (had to end up?) in such a mess?"

[AliceInFundyland]

3 hours ago, CyborgKin said:

I've seen an idea floating through the twittersphere and tabloids that alleges that 'Anna thinks Biden is behind all this', but I haven't seen any actual source for this rumour and it's just something people keep quoting without checking that it's real.  Does anyone know where this idea got started?  Is this some woacb nonsense?

I'm most amused that you got @PennySycamore

to use such strong sentiments. ?

Not that I disagree.

[Rachel333]

I believe the Anna blaming Biden rumor came from The Sun.

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An insider told The Sun: "Anna is in denial. Jim Bob is telling people she is defending Josh and no longer speaking to most of the family.

"Jim Bob said she blames him and wife Michelle for Josh's arrest. Anna feels it all stems from how they dealt with his previous molestation scandal after he assaulted his sisters."

They added: "She also thinks that this case is a conspiracy theory against her husband set up by the Biden administration.

"She believes that if Donald Trump was still in power this would not be happening, and refuses to believe he's done anything wrong."

I wouldn't put too much stock in that rumor, obviously. And while it's believable that she'd be a conspiracy theorist, surely even she has to realize Biden couldn't have set up the investigation back in 2019? Of course, as I'm saying that I realize you can't count on conspiracy theorists to be logical.

I do still want to know when the rest of the family knew about the nature of the investigation, and that Josh was the target. Or what they thought the raid was about if they didn't know.

[CyborgKin]

Ah yes, 'an insider'.

[nst]

11 hours ago, Cam said:

Yes, the latest charges against Josh put a black cloud over the whole Duggar franchise. It’s a stain that can’t be removed.

Don’t you think the prosecution will float the idea that many, many more private (and salacious) details about the Duggars could potentially surface during a very public trial trying to convince Josh and his lawyers to take a plea deal.  JB will want Josh to finally take the fall for his own wrongdoings in order to spare the rest of the family and to save the Duggar brand from unrecoverable ruin. 

 

they can all post whatever, but the brand is destroyed and it's about time. 

They all just have to realize no one will take them seriously 

they will realize it in time. No rebranding can do anything. Done.