Katie & Travis 2: Here Comes Yet Another Bates Young Bride

[artdecades]

On 8/1/2021 at 2:10 PM, Melissa1977 said:

I was thinking the same. If I was "working" on getting pregnant, I wouldn't buy such a tight dress. She could be 3 or 4 months pregnant in December. 

Carlin is entirely the type of person who would buy a dress for her body now and not take into consideration that she is trying to get pregnant. Then she will scramble right before the wedding because it doesn’t fit. 

[Jackie3]

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John is a factory trained service, installation, refrigerant, and total comfort specialist in both residential and commercial applications. He has completed countless installation and service projects, working on systems as small as single ton units and as large as 50-ton split systems. He has a wealth of knowledge and experience regarding mini-split, heat-pump, straight cool, and commercial grade split systems and package units. Moreover, his HVAC expertise also includes proper system diagnosis and analysis, adept installation, and achieving pristine air quality.

He certainly sounds employable to me! Any HVAC company in Florida would want someone like this.

The guy next to him, Brent Webster, seems LESS qualified than John, since there is less detail about his skills

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His expert knowledge of both residential and commercial air conditioning and heating systems gives him the unique talent of customizing feasible solutions for complex job site obstacles. Brent further enhances his value to our company by continually striving for quality and excellence in each service call and installation provided by Webster Air Conditioning.

 

Jordan Webster seems to have a few more credentials than the other two. He seems to do more admin stuff and estimating jobs.

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Jordan is our lead field estimator and service technician. He has over 15 years of experience in the HVAC industry and a Bachelor of Science in Business Administration.

Jordan is a Florida certified air conditioning contractor. Jordan has the ability to craft proposals and solutions for a wide range of residential and commercial installation applications.

There's more to their bios, but I tried to cut out the fluff and just include the part with credentials.

Family businesses are tricky things.Everyone may seem happy, but you never know about those family dynamics.

It seems clear, though, that if John were unhappy he could easily walk and find employment elsewhere. 

Edited August 7, 2021 by Jackie3

[freethemall]

@Jackie3you keep talking about these individuals like they're normal non-fundie people, which they're not. These are fundies who have had parental obedience literally trained into them, that doesnt simply go away when they become adults, especially since we've seen many of their adulthood are stinted. None of these people can easily walk away from their families, especially when their livelihoods depend on them.

[llucie]

1 hour ago, Jackie3 said:

He certainly sounds employable to me! Any HVAC company in Florida would want someone like this.

The guy next to him, Brent Webster, seems LESS qualified than John, since there is less detail about his skills

 

Jordan Webster seems to have a few more credentials than the other two. He seems to do more admin stuff and estimating jobs.

There's more to their bios, but I tried to cut out the fluff and just include the part with credentials.

Family businesses are tricky things.Everyone may seem happy, but you never know about those family dynamics.

It seems clear, though, that if John were unhappy he could easily walk and find employment elsewhere. 

 

I searched and his brother Jordan has a current license as a Certified Air Conditioning Contractor, thats what i meant. John doesnt have any license.

 

[Jackie3]

56 minutes ago, llucie said:

 

I searched and his brother Jordan has a current license as a Certified Air Conditioning Contractor, thats what i meant. John doesnt have any license.

 

Yes, Jordan seems to be the one who is credentialed. Oddly, he seems to do less of the actual service work (his profile says he does their estimates and managerial/admin work). 

[raayx01]

I don't get why these fundies always like to half ass things. we don't need to get licensing or go to school for something. We'll just do it with the little skills we have  or go overseas and be missionaries with no formal training. Can they just invest a little

[Jackie3]

1 hour ago, freethemall said:

@Jackie3you keep talking about these individuals like they're normal non-fundie people, which they're not. These are fundies who have had parental obedience literally trained into them, that doesnt simply go away when they become adults, especially since we've seen many of their adulthood are stinted. None of these people can easily walk away from their families, especially when their livelihoods depend on them.

True! They certainly can't easily walk away after their conditioning.

Some do though. Some are stronger, more intelligent, more insightful or resilient than others. Some fundy kids had brief contact with outsiders who opened their eyes to another world. If you read the memoirs of former fundies, it explains the things that helped them to walk away. Lots of times, everything seems fine on the surface, but a fundie adult child is stewing inside and planning a rebellion (let's skip church this sunday! I'm going to wear this bikini).

It makes me happy to think that some  will learn to think for themselves and walk away. It makes me happy to see the small rebellions they do, and I wonder what other rebellions are occurring behind closed doors. 

[Jackie3]

25 minutes ago, raayx01 said:

I don't get why these fundies always like to half ass things. we don't need to get licensing or go to school for something. We'll just do it with the little skills we have  or go overseas and be missionaries with no formal training. Can they just invest a little

That's especially true for the Duggars. Come on, let one of your sons get certified as an electrician or a carpenter, instead of just playing around and learning through trial and error.

In Florida, like many states, there are different levels of HVAC contractors. I'm guessing John is a "registered contractor", which is lower than Class A or B. Or maybe he works "under" his brother Jordan, who has a Class A license

https://www.nextinsurance.com/blog/how-to-get-an-hvac-license-in-florida/

John is young, healthy, personable, seems to have a wide range of HVAC skills, undoubtedly has many  contacts in Florida, and grew up with a father running an established HVAC business. He's sitting pretty and very employable.

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[theotherelise]

Theotherelise from seven years ago did not consider how my future in-laws would feel about my wedding planning. I wasn't in any way dismissive or exclusionary, but I did not consider that they would have opinions about things like bridesmaids' dresses. 

Theotherelise from the thanksgiving blow up of 2019 became aware that my in-laws had LOTS OF OPINIONS about the 2014 wedding and all of those opinions were that I'M THE WORST. 

I had three pre-k nieces who were all asked to be flower girls - one from my side, two from his. We picked a $15 dress for them from H&M and said they could wear whatever else they wanted that made them comfortable (tights or a sweater or whatever). And if the time came for them to go down the aisle and they didn't want to, no sweat! You're still a flower girl and you don't have to do anything you don't want to do. The niece on my side was painfully shy back then and we didn't expect her to actually walk. But she wore her favorite red cowboy boots and rocked that aisle. It's always been a really cherished memory from the day for us. BUT IT TURNS OUT MOTHER IN LAW WAS NOT OKAY with the boots. 

How dare I? 

[Jackie3]

14 hours ago, theotherelise said:

Theotherelise from seven years ago did not consider how my future in-laws would feel about my wedding planning. I wasn't in any way dismissive or exclusionary, but I did not consider that they would have opinions about things like bridesmaids' dresses. 

Theotherelise from the thanksgiving blow up of 2019 became aware that my in-laws had LOTS OF OPINIONS about the 2014 wedding and all of those opinions were that I'M THE WORST. 

I had three pre-k nieces who were all asked to be flower girls - one from my side, two from his. We picked a $15 dress for them from H&M and said they could wear whatever else they wanted that made them comfortable (tights or a sweater or whatever). And if the time came for them to go down the aisle and they didn't want to, no sweat! You're still a flower girl and you don't have to do anything you don't want to do. The niece on my side was painfully shy back then and we didn't expect her to actually walk. But she wore her favorite red cowboy boots and rocked that aisle. It's always been a really cherished memory from the day for us. BUT IT TURNS OUT MOTHER IN LAW WAS NOT OKAY with the boots. 

How dare I? 

But you did what you wanted to, which is great! And your little niece did what she wanted to.

Your inlaws would've found something else to crab about, even if the wedding had gone entirely their way. That's the way narcissistic people are. It's never really about the boots, it's about something else. . .  her son getting "taken away," or her need to control everything. . . stuff like that.

Did your father in law also care about a little girl's boots?

[JanasTattooParlor]

7 hours ago, Jackie3 said:

But you did what you wanted to, which is great! And your little niece did what she wanted to.

Your inlaws would've found something else to crab about, even if the wedding had gone entirely their way. That's the way narcissistic people are. It's never really about the boots, it's about something else. . .  her son getting "taken away," or her need to control everything. . . stuff like that.

Did your father in law also care about a little girl's boots?

This is so true. I got married last year and about six months after the wedding my stepmom blows up on me how she felt disrespected by me because I didn’t include her enough in planning. Mind you, she went to the dress picking, venue tours, and I told her about the food and floral design. She wasn’t excited about my dress at all and spent more time trying to call my deadbeat dad to tell him than actually be excited, she told me my food choices weren’t good enough, and kept sending me decor ideas that were what I called “trashy chic.” She then went on about how several people told her my food just wasn’t good, except I have people still tell me I had the best wedding food they’ve had, and when I told her that, she said “Well no one wants to upset the bride on her big day.” Narcissists will find any reason they can to feel slighted and when told their opinion is wrong, they will pick another one and continue the fight. In the end, I was mean and told her that she had had three weddings and if she didn’t like any of the three she put on, then that didn’t mean that she needed to insult mine.

[fluffernutter]

My daughters were asked to be flower girls in one of my sister in laws' wedding. One daughter was so very shy, so the bride re-named her "bubble girl" and handed her the basket of bubbles to be in charge of. She loved this and felt happier because she didn't have to walk down the aisle. ❤️ I can't stand when people have the audacity to snark about stuff. When you are dealing with groups of adults, kids, family members, friends- possibly in the hundreds, perfection is not possible. @JanasTattooParlor your step mom sounds like she's lots of fun.  😐 I'm glad you called her out on that nonsense. 

[theotherelise]

On 8/10/2021 at 11:23 PM, Jackie3 said:

But you did what you wanted to, which is great! And your little niece did what she wanted to.

Your inlaws would've found something else to crab about, even if the wedding had gone entirely their way. That's the way narcissistic people are. It's never really about the boots, it's about something else. . .  her son getting "taken away," or her need to control everything. . . stuff like that.

Did your father in law also care about a little girl's boots?

I have two mothers in law and two fathers in law. Only my husband's mother was upset apparently. I married the family scapegoat. My mother in law is an incredibly judgy person and she has a lot of judgements about my husband's choices which also included choosing to be with me lol.

She was also upset because supposedly some of my extended family left the sanctuary before her after the ceremony was over. She said (to my husband, not to me, just going off on him about how horrible I was while I was literally in the next room) that was proof that my family thinks we're BETTA than them. But in actuality, my extended family is just country AF and at the last family wedding before mine, my uncles had cans of busch that they were drinking during the vows. The ceremony was over, so they walked out of the sanctuary, that's it! 

The golden grandchild (first born grandson of the golden child) was 12 when we got married and didn't come because he had a middle school football game and they decided that was more important despite knowing the wedding date for over 6 months. But mother in law had absolutely zero issues with that choice! 

Boundaries are a blessing, y'all.

[Jackie3]

29 minutes ago, theotherelise said:

I have two mothers in law and two fathers in law. Only my husband's mother was upset apparently. I married the family scapegoat. My mother in law is an incredibly judgy person and she has a lot of judgements about my husband's choices which also included choosing to be with me lol.

She was also upset because supposedly some of my extended family left the sanctuary before her after the ceremony was over. She said (to my husband, not to me, just going off on him about how horrible I was while I was literally in the next room) that was proof that my family thinks we're BETTA than them. But in actuality, my extended family is just country AF and at the last family wedding before mine, my uncles had cans of busch that they were drinking during the vows. The ceremony was over, so they walked out of the sanctuary, that's it! 

The golden grandchild (first born grandson of the golden child) was 12 when we got married and didn't come because he had a middle school football game and they decided that was more important despite knowing the wedding date for over 6 months. But mother in law had absolutely zero issues with that choice! 

Boundaries are a blessing, y'all.

These cowards never say anything to your face. My MIL would often go to my husband with her complaints as well. I agree, though, boundaries are everything. Moving far away helps, too. Also, age. As I got older, I was like. .  well, so she's upset, it happens. 

[Dbm]

I Like the matching band more 

 

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[CanadianMamam]

1 hour ago, Dbm said:

I Like the matching band more 

 

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I do too. She is going to be wearing them for a long time, she will want them to match and they also sit closer together.

I find it kind of weird that is parents went with them to pick out wedding rings. The vibe of these weddings are just so weird.

[AussieKrissy]

I kinda thought it would be a no brainer that in the long run the matching one is the better choice 

I must admit, I don't mind the eclectic mismatched look but I think in the long run the novelty would wear off and I would regret not getting the matching. 

Edit to add that I know that manicure style is all the rage at the moment but to me they just look like creepy dead zombie claws, I am more of a natural oval to square manicure girl

Edited August 18, 2021 by AussieKrissy

[Satan'sFortress]

On 8/10/2021 at 9:58 AM, theotherelise said:

The niece on my side was painfully shy back then and we didn't expect her to actually walk. But she wore her favorite red cowboy boots and rocked that aisle.

Red cowboy boots are never wrong. Never.

[Dbm]

8 hours ago, AussieKrissy said:

I kinda thought it would be a no brainer that in the long run the matching one is the better choice 

I must admit, I don't mind the eclectic mismatched look but I think in the long run the novelty would wear off and I would regret not getting the matching. 

Edit to add that I know that manicure style is all the rage at the moment but to me they just look like creepy dead zombie claws, I am more of a natural oval to square manicure girl

I agree with you I don't like the nails. I feel that she was going for this look:

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but whoever that did her nails did not do them well. 

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[Dbm]

Thats the band that she got, what do you think about travis's ring ? 

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[Vivi_music]

1 hour ago, Dbm said:

Thats the band that she got, what do you think about travis's ring ? 

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Hmmmm, I would not answer that question personnally. Even if everyone knows who is closest to who in a family, I'd feel weird explicitly naming them. BUT... I suppose it's different in a mega 19 people family  than in a ''smaller'' 5 siblings family. ''Sub-groups'' are bound to happen, and I'm sure personal affinities also play a role. In a group of 19, with everyone having different personnalities, I think it's normal to not ''vibe'' with everyone.

[Bluebirdbluebell]

25 minutes ago, Vivi_music said:

Hmmmm, I would not answer that question personnally. Even if everyone knows who is closest to who in a family, I'd feel weird explicitly naming them. BUT... I suppose it's different in a mega 19 people family  than in a ''smaller'' 5 siblings family. ''Sub-groups'' are bound to happen, and I'm sure personal affinities also play a role. In a group of 19, with everyone having different personnalities, I think it's normal to not ''vibe'' with everyone.

If not all of her sisters are in the wedding, then it won't be a surprise that she's closer to some of them than others.

[JDuggs]

The only one left out in her age group is Tori. Comes off as mean girl behavior to me.

[Tangy Bee]

Guess that leaves out Erin & Michael. But they are much older. I can see Katie feeling more comfortable with getting marriage advice from her sisters instead of Kelly Jo.

[HereticHick]

Hey, if no one is going to laugh and point at the typo, allow me