[CW: Child Sex Abuse] Josh & Anna 30: LaCounting On to His Trial Date

[Howl]

2 hours ago, pooplexed said:

Add to all of the complexities of her upbringing and Josh's manipulation (supported by JB),

She is parenting 6 children! And she is pregnant, which is slightly to significantly disabling, depending on the individual.

The complexities of her extremely restricted upbringing. 

Imagine a life with extremely restricted or nonexistent access to  TV/social media  and it's just Jesus Jesus Jesus all day long.  Anna's world is not our world.  She's parenting six children with one more on the way and that's it.  There's no information coming into her life that isn't filtered through the Duggar IBLP bubble. 

The main irony of course is that they made their brand and fortune on a TV show, when Gothard does not approve of TV. 

[Tatar-tot]

35 minutes ago, Destiny said:

The real truths are bad enough. Do we have to go around repeating blind items that are intended to be salacious and are made up out of whole cloth on the regular?

We know he cheated -- isn't that enough?

People can describe his behavior in the vocabulary they feel is appropriate.  We are all adults here.  The how he did it is just as important as what he did. 

[Jess]

31 minutes ago, Tatar-tot said:

I was thinking about all the Josh lunacy & a few things came to mind:

1. Josh is not a smart chap.  He does not take IT classes and seems to have a rudimentary education.  Who taught him to partition the hard drive?  This is not something he would have thought of on his own.

2. Who pointed Josh to all these CP sites? This is not the ordinary porno stuff like Playboy, Pornhub or Hustler the average human being might visit. 
 

3.  Who is Josh interacting with in the CP world?  He seems to have gotten in pretty deep to the dark violent world of CP.

4.  The FBI/CPS need to interview every single Duggar child and grandchild  under the age of 15 to determine who he abused.  Josh is pretty slimy. [redacted specific graphic spec - destiny]  This guy is sick.  He goes right for the violent stuff.  There is no way he has not acted out on his impulses in some way, shape or form. 

4.  The agents working this case need to interview Anna & show her exactly what he downloaded & how they determined it was done by him.  She needs a reality check so she has ability to keep her head buried in the sand anymore.

5.  My guess is there are more charges to come as the investigation progresses. For the items charged FEDS had a no holes case.  I think we will see the indictment amended and amended until he pleads out. 
 

6.  Finally, this disaster the JB/M participated in by not getting Josh treatment is going cost them close to a million dollars in legal fees.  Once the bills start rolling in I imagine JB/M may encourage/tell Josh to take a plea.  
 

7.  The financial consequences of Josh’s behavior is going to impact EVERY family member.  No matter how you slice it, a large part of the family estate controlled by JB is going to Josh’s legal defense team. 
 

8.  JB/M need to do some serious review of how they parent.  The current methods they have employed have resulted in the following:

  A.  No kids with anything beyond a rudimentary education.

  B.  One child is a pedaphile.

  C.  4 daughters have been sexually abused.

  D. Estranged from 1 daughter who used to be the goody-two shoes of the family.

  E.  Financially scamming every child by not setting up a trust for them due the work they did on multiple reality shows that have made their father and TLC millions.  
 

This situation highlights exactly why the entire Gothard scenario puts entire families at risk by encouraging them to have children they cannot provide the basics to: healthy food, proper shelter, time/attention, & education.

JB SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO HIS FATHER YEARS AGO, RATHER THAN LOOKING DOWN HIM AND GOTTEN OUT OF THIS EVIL CULT.

 

Josh probably learned some of the skills your wondering about at the Jesus rehab he was sent to after the AM scandal.

Edited May 8, 2021 by Destiny
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[Destiny]

Because apparently it fucking needs to be said again:

DO NOT POST YOUR SPECULATION ON WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HAPPENED TO UNDERAGE MINORS.

We've said it every damn thread. From here on out, break this rule and you are in the Closet.

 

Edited May 8, 2021 by Destiny

[HerNameIsBuffy]

5 minutes ago, Tatar-tot said:

People can describe his behavior in the vocabulary they feel is appropriate.  We are all adults here.  The how he did it is just as important as what he did. 

We are not a blind item site for people to present whatever nonsense like it's true.  

and frankly the "how" of how he allegedly had consensual affairs with legal adults isn't remotely important.  Who gives a fuck about that in the face of what he did?

[choralcrusader8613]

9 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

and frankly the "how" of how he allegedly had consensual affairs with legal adults isn't remotely important.  Who gives a fuck about that in the face of what he did?

Thank you! Cheating on your spouse is gross, but it's not even remotely in the realm of what Josh has done. One is not inherently related to the other.

[nelliebelle1197]

9 minutes ago, Tatar-tot said:

People can describe his behavior in the vocabulary they feel is appropriate.  We are all adults here.  The how he did it is just as important as what he did. 

You cannot describe his behavior in a vocabulary that is breaking the rules.

[Destiny]

16 minutes ago, Tatar-tot said:

People can describe his behavior in the vocabulary they feel is appropriate.  We are all adults here.  The how he did it is just as important as what he did. 

He's a disgusting scumbag, and that's the lightest possible way I could describe him, but repeating salacious gossip with no facts to back it up is far from helpful. We know that he cheated because he said so. Repeating numbers and salaciousness from blind items is not a useful part of the conversation.

[meep]

23 minutes ago, Howl said:

The complexities of her extremely restricted upbringing. 

Imagine a life with extremely restricted or nonexistent access to  TV/social media  and it's just Jesus Jesus Jesus all day long.  Anna's world is not our world.  She's parenting six children with one more on the way and that's it.  There's no information coming into her life that isn't filtered through the Duggar IBLP bubble. 

The main irony of course is that they made their brand and fortune on a TV show, when Gothard does not approve of TV. 

Gothard may not approve of TV, but most IBLP/ATI people (very cautiously and restrictively) still watch it. To be fair, their show is suppose to be a "ministry" to get the evil heathens to convert, so what better way than on TV? 

[sockiemom]

As far as looking at pornography goes, you don’t just stumble across what he was looking at. Josh had to seek this out. His issues have been escalating for a long time for regular porn hub to not be interesting. It is quite concerning and I am shocked he was released.

[HerNameIsBuffy]

26 minutes ago, Howl said:

Imagine a life with extremely restricted or nonexistent access to  TV/social media  and it's just Jesus Jesus Jesus all day long. 

Restricted access to SM?  She lived on SM.  These people have more exposure to things on SM than I do.

She may live in a different world, but she certainly has access to read beyond her bubble.  She chooses not to.

[feministxtian]

I think the poster who was referencing restricted access to SM was referring to PRIOR to her marriage to the scumbag. Since then, everything is filtered through her fundamentalist/IBLP upbringing. 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

Just now, feministxtian said:

I think the poster who was referencing restricted access to SM was referring to PRIOR to her marriage to the scumbag. Since then, everything is filtered through her fundamentalist/IBLP upbringing. 

That was 13 years ago.  

Yes, everything is filtered in her head because she chooses not to read outside her bubble.  That is very different than lack of access.

[LilMissMetaphor]

45 minutes ago, Destiny said:

He's a disgusting scumbag, and that's the lightest possible way I could describe him, but repeating salacious gossip with no facts to back it up is far from helpful. We know that he cheated because he said so. Repeating numbers and salaciousness from blind items is not a useful part of the conversation.

I only chimed in with the number 11 because I also happened to have read it elsewhere, last night, other than on this board, and I thought that everyone was jumping on the OP rather unfairly like "prove your sources!" and it seemed a bit out of pocket.  I don't care about the number or myself or think it's particularly relevant.  It wasn't as if anyone posted "Josh slept with 11 women! Shock! What a scum!" as if that was worse than the other stuff that has since come to light.  

So, in conclusion, we have no actual substantiated number of women that he did or did not cheat on Anna with, does that suffice?  

[Destiny]

1 minute ago, LilMissMetaphor said:

I only chimed in with the number 11 because I also happened to have read it elsewhere, last night, other than on this board, and I thought that everyone was jumping on the OP rather unfairly like "prove your sources!" and it seemed a bit out of pocket.  I don't care about the number or myself or think it's particularly relevant.  It wasn't as if anyone posted "Josh slept with 11 women! Shock! What a scum!" as if that was worse than the other stuff that has since come to light.  

So, in conclusion, we have no actual substantiated number of women that he did or did not cheat on Anna with, does that suffice?  

No, we don't have a number, and frankly the number is none of our business in my view. My point is that I just don't like seeing us bandying about blind items and unsubstantiated stuff like it's fact, because then it becomes fact over time. Accuracy is important. 

[Antimony]

1 hour ago, Tatar-tot said:

I was thinking about all the Josh lunacy & a few things came to mind:

1. Josh is not a smart chap.  He does not take IT classes and seems to have a rudimentary education.  Who taught him to partition the hard drive?  This is not something he would have thought of on his own.

2. Who pointed Josh to all these CP sites? This is not the ordinary porno stuff like Playboy, Pornhub or Hustler the average human being might visit. 

3.  Who is Josh interacting with in the CP world?  He seems to have gotten in pretty deep to the dark violent world of CP.

[snip]

I'm not sure why everybody thinks this is so hard. Some posters here have noted that "split the drive with a Linux partition" was a common answer for queries for "How to get around Covenant Eyes", so the most obvious route is Josh got frustrated with CE, and googled how to get around it -- maybe on his own device (with how it works, it doesn't seem to read text very well), or on somebody elses, or a public computer, who knows. The breadcrumbs there are less of crumbs, and more like somebody dropped a slice of bread every 4 inches apart to mark their path. 

Who know why Josh got into CSAI? I don't. My closest conspiracy is that Officer Hutchinson (who was supposed to "scare Josh straight" after he molested his sisters) groomed him not as a victim, but as a co-conspirator. I have no evidence of this, but it wouldn't be unthinkable. Or, he figured out that the dark web was the place to go by Wikipedia. 

Hunting Warhead also mentioned that occasionally, dark web pedophiles would reach out to ones who were operating on the surface internet to tell them to stop it, because it's too easy to get caught, and tell them how to move over. That could have also happened. Or, he used a broker on the dark web to gain access to these areas -- it would be costly, but it's another common way they operate. I'm interested in what might come out in discovery about Josh's bitcoin activity -- the dark web almost exclusively uses crypto currency, so I suspect that will be part of what the FBI found and will support their case. (For instance, it would be hard for the defense to argue that it was "some other vaguely mentioned employee" if there is a record of Josh purchasing or mining Bitcoin, and then spending it near the download dates.) 

Also, please, any Duggar experts -- in one of the early specials (14 or 15 kids?) was there a clip that was like, "[goofy documentary background music] Josh is our oldest, and he likes to learn about computers" or did I insert that into my memory backwards? I know there is a clip in the early docu's of Josh in front of a computer, but I can't remember if it shows up when the narrator and/or Jim Bob is listing the kid's hobbies. It wouldn't be strange -- I have a brother about his age, and I remember at the time that building PC's was a fairly common hobby among boys that age. 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

33 minutes ago, Antimony said:

I'm not sure why everybody thinks this is so hard.

There are a few people asking about this but far more people have explained repeatedly how easy this is to do with google and no tech skills.

Edited May 8, 2021 by HerNameIsBuffy

[Antimony]

1 minute ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

There are a few people asking about this but the far more people have explained repeatedly how easy this is to do with google and no tech skills.

You're right. It feels like a lot of folks in disbelief though -- and I'm also reading other sites, where people might have higher rates of disbelief because of the short-content format. I'm being a tad hyperbolic.

[feministxtian]

3 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

There are a few people asking about this but the far more people have explained repeatedly how easy this is to do with google and no tech skills.

I am not a techie by any means...yet I did split my hard drive for linux and windows. If I remember, the Google instructions were very clear and I think I did it in 15-20 minutes. My tech abilities only reliably extend as far as installing software

[HerNameIsBuffy]

Just now, Antimony said:

You're right. It feels like a lot of folks in disbelief though -- and I'm also reading other sites, where people might have higher rates of disbelief because of the short-content format. I'm being a tad hyperbolic.

Yeah, I'm not trying to be pedantic but most people here do get that, I know these threads are moving fast but it's been mentioned so often I'd think even skimming the threads would show that, but guess not.

[Idlewild]

55 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

That was 13 years ago.  

Yes, everything is filtered in her head because she chooses not to read outside her bubble.  That is very different than lack of access.

Absolutely agree- she retweets all sorts of accounts on Twitter and joined Parler to further hone her pro Trump bigotry skills. Most people grow up and develop from their early twenties into their 30s- why would you assume Anna hasn’t? Yes she has lots of children but she has to take responsibility for that - it seems to he accepted on this board that Josh would have preferred a smaller family - so why not discuss it with him? She wanted to be Michelle v2.

[Four is Enough]

I'm sure Anna doesn't want her children interviewed by any child protective services people.

I believe that she doesnt' want to hear of even a tiny possibility that they were harmed in any way by their father. Who would.

BUT I believe she REALLY doesn't want them being asked sexual related questions. She doesn't want "secular" people talking to her people who might "expose" them to things she doesn't want them to hear.

However, trained investigators speak to children in a more child-led, gentle  manner. The children would be safe. But I think she will fight having the children questioned.

[OrchidBlossom]

2 hours ago, Jackie3 said:

They really don't teach stuff like selecting a witness in law school. It's more about contracts, torts, civil procedure, real estate transactions, etc. I suppose if you were in moot court you might learn a bit about choosing a witness but it's mostly the sort of thing you learn on the job. So no need to discourage anyone from a particular law school (they mostly teach the same stuff anyway)

 

Thanks, I'm a lawyer though and I did take an (optional) class about trial strategy. And also it was a joke.

Edited May 8, 2021 by OrchidBlossom

[EmCatlyn]

3 hours ago, BernRul said:

Once a Catholic always a Catholic lol. Some religions seem to have such a strong cultural aspect that you can't shake it even if you don't believe in it. 

I haven't been a practicing Catholic in over a decade and don't believe the majority of it but I still call myself Catholic sometimes because after 12 years of Catholic school its hard to shake it off. I also think its weird that the fundies aren't concerned with Josh's soul because of thr Catholic belief in good works.

I was brought up Catholic, but very loosely.  We did not attend mass regularly, my brother and I did not attend Catholic school. Though we were baptized and had first communions, no encouragement was given to us to be confirmed.  I raised my children in the Unitarian Church (my first husband was Jewish). My now-husband is a sincere Episcopalian, and I formally joined the Episcopal church. I haven’t been inside a Roman Catholic church except as a tourist or for a wedding in years.   However, I still think of myself as a Catholic.   It is a part of my identity. ?

[Tatar-tot]

Does anyone know if the state of Arkansas or Washington County launched an investigation of Josh to determine if he broke any state statutes?  Or is this a joint investigation (federal plus state)?