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[CW: Child Sex Abuse] Josh & Anna 30: LaCounting On to His Trial Date


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5 hours ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

Why would you speculate on who else may be like this on the word of Jim Bob trying to minimize this whole thing?  If there is no evidence to think someone would do that beyond JB it's pretty shitty to make assumptions.

He didn't have 11 affairs.  I doubt there were 11 actual women clients in the entire database.  

Or 11 women willing to be with him...yuck.

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8 hours ago, luv2laugh said:

Also, I feel very conflicted about Anna. I can’t help but feel she’s an enabler, has put her kids at risk, but at the same time, I see her as a victim of Josh and someone who likely hasn’t received any compassion from fundie counselors  if she had told anyone about Josh’s bedroom requests of her. As a survivor, it makes me sad to think of what she may have been subject to. I think both can be true as she may be a victim and an enabler.

It is possible that he was normal with Anna in the bedroom. In and out and done. He probably did not attend to her needs just his but I do wonder if he hurt her in any way.  I think he reserves his sadistic tastes for others who he probably views as unworthy and sinners. 

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7 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

It is possible that he was normal with Anna in the bedroom. In and out and done. He probably did not attend to her needs just his but I do wonder if he hurt her in any way.  I think he reserves his sadistic tastes for others who he probably views as unworthy and sinners. 

This is possible. There have been serial killers with wives they treat normal and then treat prostitutes they killed like garbage. Robert Hansen was a serial killer in Alaska and he treated his wife well. He treated the prostitutes he killed like they were less than human. He saw them as less than human. People can compartmentalize human beings like that. 

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1 minute ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

This is possible. There have been serial killers with wives they treat normal and then treat prostitutes they killed like garbage. Robert Hansen was a serial killer in Alaska and he treated his wife well. He treated the prostitutes he killed like they were less than human. He saw them as less than human. People can compartmentalize human beings like that. 

And that is why if Anna does know the extent of what he was looking at, she would not believe it because he is always "So gentle" or something like that. As others have been saying, it is his facade, the mask he wears. 

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3 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

And that is why if Anna does know the extent of what he was looking at, she would not believe it because he is always "So gentle" or something like that. As others have been saying, it is his facade, the mask he wears. 

I think that when you are raised like the Duggars, everything is black and white. Women like Anna are pure and good while any woman who is willing to have sex for money is trash. 

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11 hours ago, NancyDrewFan1989 said:

 

Basically, all I am trying to say is give Anna a bit of a break. 

Add to all of the complexities of her upbringing and Josh's manipulation (supported by JB),

She is parenting 6 children! And she is pregnant, which is slightly to significantly disabling, depending on the individual.

My hope is that she, in spite of all the barriers, can acknowledge that Josh was not set up, he downloaded and possessed media depicting severe child abuse. 

I hope that she understands that what matters is not that Josh was deceived by Satan. What makes Josh more important than Anna? What matters is that Anna was deceived by Josh.

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The stuff on Josh's profiles was mostly super mundane. Wanting to take a bath together, etc.

 

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49 minutes ago, mpheels said:

I thought the Reddit law student was an L2? If so, they are a year away from graduating. Also, the hearing zoom was open to the public, just required pre registration.

It was open to the public. Just imagining  revenge redditing, but I didn’t know the law student had given their year. Alas!

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On 5/6/2021 at 9:37 PM, HerNameIsBuffy said:

That's such an absurd argument.  He has one of the world's most non-descript faces.  Honestly, I don't think I'd recognize him if I ran into him at the store.  Out of context and his generic features I doubt he's getting recognized by many if he's alone.

Not to mention that if he wanted to disappear in the covid era, all he'd have to do is wear a mask and maybe some sunglasses. That would set him apart from his usual demographic anyway since by and large they seem to spurn masks,

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20 hours ago, Satan'sFortress said:

Wow--even though I was Catholic for 20 years, and have been an atheist for 30+ years, I realize how very, very catholic I still am. That is just crazy to me.

Once a Catholic always a Catholic lol. Some religions seem to have such a strong cultural aspect that you can't shake it even if you don't believe in it. 

I haven't been a practicing Catholic in over a decade and don't believe the majority of it but I still call myself Catholic sometimes because after 12 years of Catholic school its hard to shake it off. I also think its weird that the fundies aren't concerned with Josh's soul because of thr Catholic belief in good works.

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59 minutes ago, CinnaJen said:

Or 11 women willing to be with him...yuck.

Yeah, I mean, full offense to Josh, but he's not that charming on any level.

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10 hours ago, feministxtian said:

Jill took advantage of what was available to her at the time. We'll see what happens now that Derrick has graduated from law school. I have a feeling there might be one more baby...try for a girl...but once Sam starts school and there's no more babies, I'm willing to say that she may end up at a CC to start an LPN/RN program. I don't think she's going to just sit on her duff. Its still too early to tell but if I were a betting person, my money is on Jill and Derrick becoming a 2 career couple within the next 5 years or so. I truly believe they're the ones who are going to end up the most "normal" of the whole bunch. 

We also don't know who else may be trying to break the strings and get out from under JBoob...

Then, while these 2 working parents are well into their careers, Israel or Sam explains that the pronoun "she" feels right, and she feels comfortable in women's clothing. Jill admits to Derrick that she has known this a few years, and that what she and her (former) son have been doing on their trips to a progressive state is getting medication to suppress puberty. Derrick sees Jill's love for her (former) son, and realizes how much he loves his (former) son. Derrick also feels his love for his surprise daughter. He sees how foolish he has been all these years. He uses his legal skills to advocate against ridiculous anti-trans laws. He doesn't do all of this on reality TV, because it is about his surprise daughter, not him. 

(Sigh. It's just a fantasy.)

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17 minutes ago, pooplexed said:

Then, while these 2 working parents are well into their careers, Israel or Sam explains that the pronoun "she" feels right, and she feels comfortable in women's clothing. Jill admits to Derrick that she has known this a few years, and that what she and her (former) son have been doing on their trips to a progressive state is getting medication to suppress puberty. Derrick sees Jill's love for her (former) son, and realizes how much he loves his (former) son. Derrick also feels his love for his surprise daughter. He sees how foolish he has been all these years. He uses his legal skills to advocate against ridiculous anti-trans laws. He doesn't do all of this on reality TV, because it is about his surprise daughter, not him. 

(Sigh. It's just a fantasy.)

If we’re fantasising about an ideal for Jill & Derick, mine is that they see how foolish they have been and become advocates just by developing more empathy for people NOT related to them/their offspring. And that Israel and Sam have perfectly mundane off-screen lives with as little additional trauma and discrimination as possible. Israel is a scientist working to fight climate change and Sam teaches history to high schoolers, including black and indigenous histories, and all their colleagues and friends just know them as Izzy or Sam. One work Christmas party Izzy mentions that he has almost a hundred cousins and people go “wow” and someone realises his mum was mildly famous once, and then they play a game of pool and move on to other topics.

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2 minutes ago, Smee said:

If we’re fantasising about an ideal for Jill & Derick, mine is that they see how foolish they have been and become advocates just by developing more empathy for people NOT related to them/their offspring. And that Israel and Sam have perfectly mundane off-screen lives with as little additional trauma and discrimination as possible. Israel is a scientist working to fight climate change and Sam teaches history to high schoolers, including black and indigenous histories, and all their colleagues and friends just know them as Izzy or Sam. One work Christmas party Izzy mentions that he has almost a hundred cousins and people go “wow” and someone realises his mum was mildly famous once, and then they play a game of pool and move on to other topics.

Almost 100! I bet they end closer to 200 then 100 Duggar grandchildren.

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11 minutes ago, Jess said:

Almost 100! I bet they end closer to 200 then 100 Duggar grandchildren.

Hey, we were fantasising! Although 100 would mean an average of 5-6 kids each, which is probably about right. Josh is stopping at 7 (at least, he’d fucking BETTER be), Jill will stop at 4 if not before, I still hope some of the lost girls will break free, and when the money disappears into Josh’s legal fees suddenly everyone’s fertility will take a hit as they have to support their own families. Jana will delay her wedding until some of the negative press dies down, so she’ll be mid-30s before she starts procreating. Jessa and Kendra may try to carry the team. I think 200 is unlikely.

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Just a reminder that Jill and Derrick have their own thread.  For the stuff that has nothing to do with Josh you might have a better discussion there.

1 minute ago, Smee said:

Josh is stopping at 7 (at least, he’d fucking BETTER be)

If she doesn't leave and if he gets the ~3.5 years many are predicting they aren't done.

If she doesn't leave him then only the end of her fertility stops the baby train, that's their whole point.

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I read the number 11 regarding Ashley Madison somewhere too, last night--can't remember where or which article. 

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12 minutes ago, LilMissMetaphor said:

I read the number 11 regarding Ashley Madison somewhere too, last night--can't remember where or which article. 

Someone posted it here, but didn’t have anything to back it up. I also don’t think it’s true. Aside from whether he could find 11 women who would do it with him, he was usually with Anna or at work, and I think he’s too lazy to handle the logistics involved.

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Imo, there are many secrets in this family.

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There are many secrets in this family, that's all I'll speculate on.
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The real truths are bad enough. Do we have to go around repeating blind items that are intended to be salacious and are made up out of whole cloth on the regular?

We know he cheated -- isn't that enough?

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crossposted again.  Editing my own redundancy is getting to be a full time job.

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10 hours ago, OrchidBlossom said:

If they call Anna as a witness, I'll be trying to find out what law schools they went to to encourage everyone to avoid those. That's not even a rookie mistake, that's a "are you fucking kidding me with this did you attend a single class" mistake

They really don't teach stuff like selecting a witness in law school. It's more about contracts, torts, civil procedure, real estate transactions, etc. I suppose if you were in moot court you might learn a bit about choosing a witness but it's mostly the sort of thing you learn on the job. So no need to discourage anyone from a particular law school (they mostly teach the same stuff anyway)

2 hours ago, pooplexed said:

Add to all of the complexities of her upbringing and Josh's manipulation (supported by JB),

She is parenting 6 children! And she is pregnant, which is slightly to significantly disabling, depending on the individual.

Do we know she is parenting her kids? For all we know, she is lying in bed, deeply depressed, and Jana and the youngest girls are taking care of the kids.

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I was thinking about all the Josh lunacy & a few things came to mind:

1. Josh is not a smart chap.  He does not take IT classes and seems to have a rudimentary education.  Who taught him to partition the hard drive?  This is not something he would have thought of on his own.

2. Who pointed Josh to all these CP sites? This is not the ordinary porno stuff like Playboy, Pornhub or Hustler the average human being might visit. 
 

3.  Who is Josh interacting with in the CP world?  He seems to have gotten in pretty deep to the dark violent world of CP.

4.  The FBI/CPS need to interview every single Duggar child and grandchild  under the age of 15 to determine [redacted].  Josh is pretty slimy. [redacted specific graphic spec - Buffy]  This guy is sick.  He goes right for the violent stuff.  There is no way he has not acted out on his impulses in some way, shape or form. 

4.  The agents working this case need to interview Anna & show her exactly what he downloaded & how they determined it was done by him.  She needs a reality check so she has ability to keep her head buried in the sand anymore.

5.  My guess is there are more charges to come as the investigation progresses. For the items charged FEDS had a no holes case.  I think we will see the indictment amended and amended until he pleads out. 
 

6.  Finally, this disaster the JB/M participated in by not getting Josh treatment is going cost them close to a million dollars in legal fees.  Once the bills start rolling in I imagine JB/M may encourage/tell Josh to take a plea.  
 

7.  The financial consequences of Josh’s behavior is going to impact EVERY family member.  No matter how you slice it, a large part of the family estate controlled by JB is going to Josh’s legal defense team. 
 

8.  JB/M need to do some serious review of how they parent.  The current methods they have employed have resulted in the following:

  A.  No kids with anything beyond a rudimentary education.

  B.  One child is a pedaphile.

  C.  4 daughters have been sexually abused.

  D. Estranged from 1 daughter who used to be the goody-two shoes of the family.

  E.  Financially scamming every child by not setting up a trust for them due the work they did on multiple reality shows that have made their father and TLC millions.  
 

This situation highlights exactly why the entire Gothard scenario puts entire families at risk by encouraging them to have children they cannot provide the basics to: healthy food, proper shelter, time/attention, & education.

JB SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO HIS FATHER YEARS AGO, RATHER THAN LOOKING DOWN HIM AND GOTTEN OUT OF THIS EVIL CULT.

 

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