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Hane

"Ride, Sally, Ride" (or Sex Rules): A Masterwork by Doug Wilson

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Cults-r-us

Again I say: Read the reviews on Goodreads and Amazon? Who are these people who love this book?

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katilac
7 hours ago, Petronella said:

I've read other Christian books that do something similar: take a titillating concept and make it okay for their readers to indulge in reading by making it a book about how bad that thing is. At the same time, they condemn any secular books that contain such elements, even if the book makes profound moral points, just for not having the magic mention of "Jesus Jesus Jesus" that makes it okay.

In my evangelical days, I remember a Christian radio host Bob Larson wrote a TERRIBLE Christian novel called Dead Air. It depicts the awful, tragic Satanic panic of the eighties as if it were based on real Satanism and casts a radio host as the hero (naturally), saving children. One scene included a young child or several children going around a circle of Satanist adults giving blowjobs. AND THIS WAS SOLD IN CHRISTIAN BOOKSTORES.

Look, I'm not a pearl-clutcher about books or art. I read, appreciate, and even write books that contain scenes that are tragic, heartbreaking, dark. But the hypocrisy of the way they preach against dirtying one's mind with worldly literature and then promote dreck like this as a somehow superior and specifically purer alternative is gross.

Yes, it's the way they can read about sex without feeling guilty. I was trying to nail down that thought but couldn't quite get there. It's ironic that this exercise in justification leads them to reading darker and pervy-er stuff than they probably would if they just read mainstream books!

It's akin to the people who claim they download child porn only in an effort to 'bring down' the website. Not that extreme, of course, but the same general idea: you are looking at vile images because you want to, you are reading about sex androids because you want to. 

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Black Aliss

I'm guessing Sally is a bot with a very high sex drive, or maybe she's like one of those electric bikes where you can recharge the battery by pedaling hard. By doing the right thing, Steve expects Ace to service her while he's gone.

What IS clear is that DPIAT is one sadistic SOB, in addition to being a pervert and a rapist.

 

24 minutes ago, Cults-r-us said:

Again I say: Read the reviews on Goodreads and Amazon? Who are these people who love this book?

Incels, mostly. I remember a Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas some years ago where one company was demoing their sex-bot. Attendees couldn't actually have sexy-time with it on the convention floor, of course, so they resorted to hitting and punching it, until it had to be removed before someone broke it.

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MamaJunebug
8 hours ago, Petronella said:

As far as I can tell, this premise is of the “slippery slope caused by allowing gay marriage” type (rather than the more interesting “what would a robot have to do to be considered self-conscious and human?” type).

In that light, this meme seems appropriate:

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Very seldom, I’ll listen to a radio wing nut who happens to be Lutheran and who has had guests at least intimate the first part of this if not say it out loud: I think  clearly recall one nan (of course) saying “slippery slope to marrying a toaster.”

Should I hear it again, I have this saved as an image and will be dispatching it to the hist’s social media. I’m doing it for the girls ... a lovely married pair of young women who are raising their family together. Et. al. 

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Petronella
45 minutes ago, Black Aliss said:

What IS clear is that DPIAT is one sadistic SOB, in addition to being a pervert and a rapist.

This is Doug Wilson, a different gross patriarch from Doug Phillips Who Is A Tool.

47 minutes ago, Black Aliss said:

Incels, mostly.

I don’t think so. I’m betting it’s the Zondervan bookstore crowd. (Do Zondervan bookstores still exist? I’ve been away from America for a while...

11 minutes ago, MamaJunebug said:

Should I hear it again, I have this saved as an image and will be dispatching it to the hist’s social media.

It’s a good one, isn’t it! Really crystallized the issue for me.

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Howl
8 hours ago, Petronella said:

And if the point of view character here is her father isn't it just really odd that he would be evaluating her that way?

OOOOOh, ICK, if so, that is some Trump/Ivanka level shite. 

But yes, Doug Wilson could have just written a word-smithy essay on the topic of what it means to be human (like he actually knows) and not inflicted his sexual fantasies on unsuspecting readers. 

It's also important to remember that Doug Wilson never bothers to hike who he really is -- a pedophile enabler, a rank misogynist, a control freak, a sadist (he enjoys humiliating people in writing and presumably in person), among other attributes and a Machiavellian a**hole of the highest order. 

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Black Aliss
1 minute ago, Petronella said:

This is Doug Wilson, a different gross patriarch from Doug Phillips Who Is A Tool.

oops, my bad. One sick pervo fundy is rather like another.

 

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Black Aliss
5 hours ago, Cults-r-us said:

Again I say: Read the reviews on Goodreads and Amazon? Who are these people who love this book?

Well, one reviewer who goes by "Donny" mentions the "well fleshed out characters", which made my inner 12 YO boy giggle, after having read Hane's excerpted descriptions of the women in the novel. Or, as one 5 star reviewer said, "I came to the book having read the first chapter and wondering how folks had the ability to delineate from it that this novel was the utmost in filth. " But, then, that reviewer expressed surprise that such a fine book could have been written by a cessationist. So said reviewer is even more fundy than DW?

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MamaJunebug
18 minutes ago, Black Aliss said:

which made my inner 12 YO boy giggle, 

I have one of those!!

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Hane

Ride, Sally, Ride, Chapter Two:  Woke Prosecutors are the Worst.

Before I begin, I need to point out that the Sally in the title isn’t even what we’d consider an android: she’s a sex doll capable of saying a few vapid phrases and ostensibly performing sex acts.  She can’t move by herself or carry on a conversation. (I wonder whether Dougie ever saw the bizarre but somehow sweet Ryan Gosling movie “Lars and the Real Girl,” about a socially awkward young man who buys a high-end sex doll and treats her like a human being. The doctor in his small town helps deal with his mental illness by encouraging everyone to go along with Lars’s fantasy, until the eventual happy resolution.)

Also, Libby Anne of Patheos’s “Love, Joy, Feminism” blog is the one who gave me the idea for this blow-by-blow of Dougie’s book.  She’s picked apart several “Christian” novels, one of which defended a public school teacher DARING to tell her students about the “truth” of Biblical salvation and a mother who used “Biblical” corporal punishment.

Fired. Arrested.

The cops seize the surveillance video from the recycling center. (Quibble:  How is a smashed sex doll supposed to be recycled?  We’ll never find out.) Ace’s boss Dave escorts him out, faking a vehement pantomime of wrath and insults (to satisfy the bureaucrats who wanted Ace gone), while actually praising Ace for his hard work and wishing he had Ace’s guts. Dave sighs that “Colorado used to be a wonderful place before…” We know he means “horrible liberals and sex awfulness.”

Olsen Gone

Now we meet Connor Connorson, a prosecuting lawyer and social justice warrior with an equally “woke” lawyer lover named Henry Baker. “Their boss, Ted Olsen, was an old school liberal and Democrat, meaning that his was a liberalism that had been minted before the world had gone nuts.”

Connor is a “fastidious body sculptor” with a mirror-lined basement full of exercise equipment. He picked up this hobby during the following harrowing event when he had been in high school:  After doing some weightlifting with progressively smaller weights (he had started at fifty pounds), when he was struggling with some five-pound ones, three beautiful Mean Girls (Dougie says they weren’t really mean) came in and laughed at him. Dougie says you would have laughed, too. (Fuck you, Dougie—don’t speak for me.) This made Connor turn gay. I swear to God.

Connor is in charge of his office because Ted Olsen is off on an Alaskan hunting vacation:  translation—incommunicado in the wilderness banging his Alaskan mistress (as opposed to his local mistress). Connor decides to make his career by prosecuting Ace not for destruction of property, but for murder. He plans to leverage this by threatening to tell Ted’s wife about his indiscretions. (Dougie throws something in about how governments buildings now are grubby and in disrepair because of the powerful and evil custodians’ union.) Connor gets his team together and they have a simultaneous orgasm at the prospect of standing up for human choice.

Monty Lewis

The Christian Defense League (CLD) is an illegal entity in Colorado, but Benson Hartwick and Jon Hunt have “back channel” connections to it. The CLD, despite being largely Protestant and evangelical, had assisted some Catholic organizations, primarily adoption agencies. (Gee, I wonder why.) Monty Lewis is a billionaire Catholic casino owner, adopted as an infant. Out of gratitude for the work the CLD had done fifty years ago on behalf of the Catholic adoption agency that had placed him with his adoptive family, Monty lays out megabucks to make sure Ace has a “platinum grade” legal defense, in the person of Jon Hunt.

Jon takes Ace out for Chinese food. (We are expected to find beef with peapods amazingly exotic. Dougie, my grandparents are from Little Italy, right next door to Chinatown in NYC. There is a family law that says only to eat at the Chinese restaurants where Chinese people eat. So STFU, poseur.) They discuss the case. Stephanie shows up to drop off some storage shed keys with her father. (There is some virtue-signaling about how she’s the kind of person who would rather rummage through a storage unit to find a lost book than spend a couple of bucks on a new one.) She is “cool and aloof, but still friendly.” She rejects her father’s offer to join them and leaves to study. Jon tells Ace not even to *think* about having designs on his daughter. Ace says his reaction to Stephanie was “one of simple admiration…like seeing the Taj Mahal in person.” OK.

Mirror Practice

Evil crooked gay prosecutor Connor paces in front of his bathroom mirror rehearsing his arguments—to wit, that Steve had introduced Sally as his wife.  He hopes to add a rape charge, presupposing that Ace had had sex with Sally before destroying her—boy howdy, THAT would make a sensational trial!

Jon the Man

We are given a physical description of Jon Hunt, a slender man with a salt-and-pepper beard (sound familiar?) and a disciplined personality.

In court, Jon announces to the judge that Ace has been invited to address a family values convention in Alabama. Evil Connor says Ace would be a flight risk and accuses him of intending to spread hate at the conference. Jon says the court can up Ace’s bail, and that his defense team can cover any security expenses. The judge says Ace can go, but in the company of two state troopers.  

*whew* Only twelve more chapters to go!

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Black Aliss
5 hours ago, MamaJunebug said:

Very seldom, I’ll listen to a radio wing nut who happens to be Lutheran and who has had guests at least intimate the first part of this if not say it out loud: I think  clearly recall one nan (of course) saying “slippery slope to marrying a toaster.”

And of course that begs the question about just who is harmed by someone else marrying a toaster. Assuming that the toaster is able to give consent, which has always been a requirement for marriage.

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Ozlsn
58 minutes ago, Black Aliss said:

So said reviewer is even more fundy than DW?

Or a really good troll.

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Xan
1 hour ago, Hane said:

Ride, Sally, Ride, Chapter Two:  Woke Prosecutors are the Worst.

Before I begin, I need to point out that the Sally in the title isn’t even what we’d consider an android: she’s a sex doll capable of saying a few vapid phrases and ostensibly performing sex acts.  She can’t move by herself or carry on a conversation. (I wonder whether Dougie ever saw the bizarre but somehow sweet Ryan Gosling movie “Lars and the Real Girl,” about a socially awkward young man who buys a high-end sex doll and treats her like a human being. The doctor in his small town helps deal with his mental illness by encouraging everyone to go along with Lars’s fantasy, until the eventual happy resolution.)

I was wondering about this myself.  I loved that movie but I bet someone like Doug would watch the first twenty or thirty minutes, think he knew what was going on, and turn off the movie.  Lars was working through loneliness and fear and we never even get an inkling that he uses the doll for its usual purpose.  Doug, "real man" that he thinks he is, couldn't imagine having the doll around and not using it.  So he probably just meant sex doll instead of android.  That makes sense.

I find it offensive that he thinks gayness is just a choice and, further, that he is actually blaming "mean girls" for it.  What an ass.

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Hane

Regarding the POV in this story: Dougie is using the “omniscient narrator” one. And that narrator is Dougie, who is as subtle as a sledgehammer. Evangelical Christian conservatism: Good! Premarital virginity: Good! Patriarchy: Good! Liberals: Bad! Teh geyz: Bad (and they’re *choosing* their gayness)! Abortion: Bad!

Now to rest up for Chapter Three!

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Howl
21 minutes ago, Xan said:

What an ass.

Totally on brand for Wilson. 

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Ozlsn
45 minutes ago, Hane said:

“Their boss, Ted Olsen, was an old school liberal and Democrat, meaning that his was a liberalism that had been minted before the world had gone nuts.”

Er... I really want to ask if this means he turns out to be a total mansplainer. Because that sounds a lot like he is a liberal as long as it doesn't affect his perceived position in the world.

2 hours ago, Hane said:

This made Connor turn gay. I swear to God.

Yeah... nah.

2 hours ago, Hane said:

We are expected to find beef with peapods amazingly exotic

Dude, that's pub food. Country pub food even.

2 hours ago, Hane said:

boy howdy, THAT would make a sensational trial!

I would watch. Not gonna lie.

2 hours ago, Hane said:

The judge says Ace can go, but in the company of two state troopers

Presumably being paid for by the Catholic billionaire? I can see no way in which this could possibly fail.

2 hours ago, Hane said:

Before I begin, I need to point out that the Sally in the title isn’t even what we’d consider an android: she’s a sex doll capable of saying a few vapid phrases and ostensibly performing sex acts. 

"Can't move herself" and "performing sex acts" makes her sound like an enhanced vacuum cleaner. I don't think Doug thought this through. At the very least Ace should still be being charged with burglary and theft though, right? 

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Black Aliss
3 hours ago, Xan said:

I find it offensive that he thinks gayness is just a choice and, further, that he is actually blaming "mean girls" for it.  What an ass.

I think it speaks volumes about what goes on inside his head and about choices he has made. 

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Petronella
10 hours ago, Hane said:

Before I begin, I need to point out that the Sally in the title isn’t even what we’d consider an android: she’s a sex doll capable of saying a few vapid phrases and ostensibly performing sex acts.  She can’t move by herself or carry on a conversation.

Oh. How much less interesting than it could have been.

10 hours ago, Hane said:

(I wonder whether Dougie ever saw the bizarre but somehow sweet Ryan Gosling movie “Lars and the Real Girl,” about a socially awkward young man who buys a high-end sex doll and treats her like a human being. The doctor in his small town helps deal with his mental illness by encouraging everyone to go along with Lars’s fantasy, until the eventual happy resolution.)

I wondered the same!

This reminds me of the hardline pro-life views. Statistics show that there are fewer abortions under liberal governments, because there’s better access to education and birth control, and better support for mothers and children after the babies are born. But instead of looking for and meeting the needs that lead to abortion, they jump to law and punishment, which is far less effective.

If in Doug’s dystopia, sex-doll partners are common (especially such low-level ones, in terms of imitating any form of connection besides physical acts), then that seems to me to indicate some real needs in society aren’t being met. Campaigning against sex dolls, destroying sex dolls, would not solve the actual causes of people turning to sex dolls, and would just drive their use underground. Maybe they could consider what needs in someone’s life or in society in general are lacking and offer empathy and do practical things to try to meet wider needs?

But then they wouldn’t get to feel superior and wouldn’t get to control and punish people.

10 hours ago, Hane said:

Connor is a “fastidious body sculptor” with a mirror-lined basement full of exercise equipment. He picked up this hobby during the following harrowing event when he had been in high school:  After doing some weightlifting with progressively smaller weights (he had started at fifty pounds), when he was struggling with some five-pound ones, three beautiful Mean Girls (Dougie says they weren’t really mean) came in and laughed at him. Dougie says you would have laughed, too. (Fuck you, Dougie—don’t speak for me.) This made Connor turn gay. I swear to God.

If having a single negative experience with jerks of the opposite sex was what makes gay people, then every woman on earth would be a lesbian. For heaven’s sake.

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justwatching
Well-proportioned without being in any way a hazard or public nuisance? Wtf does that mean? Because it sounds like you should have good-sized boobs, but not TOO big, because that automatically makes you a slut. Goldilocks boobs. 
Should a good Christian boy be referencing the lyrics to "Mustang Sally" regardless of when he was born? Shocking, 

*Goldilocks Boobs*

I just choked on my lunch!
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Marmion
On 11/1/2020 at 7:21 AM, Petronella said:

As far as I can tell, this premise is of the “slippery slope caused by allowing gay marriage” type (rather than the more interesting “what would a robot have to do to be considered self-conscious and human?” type).

In that light, this meme seems appropriate:

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 I have never thought of it in that light before .  I have been aware of sensationalized fears being stoked by social conservative Christians , including even my relatively moderate fundamentalist Presbyterian cousin .  ( which is by the way largely how I first came to know of the OPC and the PCA denominations , in the first place , as those are the type of churches he frequents )  

https://puritancalvinist.blogspot.com/2008/12/unbelievable-i-think-i-can-just-let.html  However , I do feel that there could be valid ethical , and legal concerns , regarding AI . { https://theconversation.com/sex-robots-are-here-but-laws-arent-keeping-up-with-the-ethical-and-privacy-issues-they-raise-109852?  ,  https://hcri.brown.edu/2013/06/18/raunchy-robotics-the-ethics-of-sexbots/  }   Take  for example , this story .  { https://www.zdnet.com/article/sex-robot-molested-destroyed-at-electronics-show/   ,  https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/04/samantha-s-suffering-should-sex-robots-have-rights } 

 

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katilac
20 hours ago, Hane said:

 The judge says Ace can go, but in the company of two state troopers.  

Yes, this is something that always happens. They let the part-time scrapyard worker travel as a speaker, in the company of two state troopers. Sure. 

Everytime I read "Ace" I immediately think of asexual. 

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Pibblesmiles

Every time I read "Ace," I see, in my mind's eye, a weird mash-up of Ace Ventura, Pet Detective and Ace Rimmer from Red Dwarf.

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Katzchen24
21 minutes ago, katilac said:

Everytime I read "Ace" I immediately think of asexual. 

I'm with @Ozlsn on the "Ace" Rimmer bandwagon.

 

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smittykins

What, no Ace Frehley? 😛

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Hane

If there’d been a character named Gary in this book, I would have been all Ambiguously Gay Duo here. Like @katilac, my mind went “Ace”=asexual. This choice of name shows how out of touch Dougie is. And, oh, I screwed up—his surname is Hartwick, not “Hardwick.”

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