Joy & Austin 31: Adding Evelyn Mae

[AprilCameron]

2 hours ago, Sabine said:

i agree with you that they would not outright deny coverage, but they will not provide services. The insurance provided will be less then stellar, with huge co pay and such to the point where it does not matter that one has insurance as it is in name only. 

This is going to be an issue worldwide  - covid side effects, covid permanent damage to tissue, lungs, heart etc  and all what we don't know yet - and considering that i don't think the US health care system will change much for the better over the next four years, i believe that Covid sufferes might not be 'insurable' at point of cost. 

I have insurance, i received to steroid injections in my left shoulder, - this is now considered a pre-existing condition which is not covered anymore, and i don't live in the US. Its not that you can't get insurance, its just that once you list all the ailments you have in your life that insurance will not cover a whole lot. Welcome to the real world Duggars. 

Which makes me think that COVID should mean automatic Medicare. End stage renal failure patients get Medicare automatically because their lives depend on coverage. Same with COVID. Hopefully this will be an early policy priority for the Biden administration.

[Italiangirl]

Thanks, @Born Skeptic that is what I thought, but I don't really know the Us situation except for what is posts here and some news articles. So I felt it was better to ask and be sure than remain in the doubt 

Edited January 14, 2021 by Italiangirl

[wendy-sparkles]

I think private healthcare works very differently in countries where there is some form of public healthcare vs America, because they have essentially different functions ie providing improved care, faster care, or treatments not covered by the public health service, vs being necessary to access healthcare almost at all. 

Edited January 14, 2021 by wendy-sparkles

[adidas]

9 minutes ago, wendy-sparkles said:

I think private healthcare works very differently in countries where there is some form of public healthcare vs America, because they have essentially different functions ie providing improved care, faster care, or treatments not covered by the public health service, vs being necessary to access healthcare almost at all. 

This is very true.

I live in Australia, and while our public health system does have its problems, it is fairly good.

I also have private health cover (you can pay for hospital, extras or both). With private, I can choose my specialist surgeon and the date I want my surgery done. In the public system I am assigned a surgeon and time and I get no choice. If it doesn’t suit me, I go to the bottom of the waiting list again (and the wait can be long if it’s not an emergency). For emergencies I can’t go to the private hospital (they don’t have an ED) but I still have choices to some extent. When it’s an emergency the only thing I really care about is a private room. I’m happy to use my private cover in the public hospital as long as I don’t have to share a room.

[Bluebirdbluebell]

Austin went ziplining with Gideon! Austin was holding Gideon. Austin must be nuts!

[Glasgowghirl]

2 hours ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

Austin went ziplining with Gideon! Austin was holding Gideon. Austin must be nuts!

Fundies don't seem to know what child safety is, Audrey Rolloff got criticised a few days ago for skiing with Bode strapped to her, she was refused on a ski lift with him strapped on to her because they deemed it unsafe but she decided to climb up the slope and do it anyway. 

I assume it was at the family camp because any place I've been to that has that equipment has height and weight rules and would never allow this. 

[AussieKrissy]

5 hours ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

Austin went ziplining with Gideon! Austin was holding Gideon. Austin must be nuts!

He is a fucking idiot that is all 

[marmalade]

7 hours ago, Glasgowghirl said:

Fundies don't seem to know what child safety is, Audrey Rolloff got criticised a few days ago for skiing with Bode strapped to her, she was refused on a ski lift with him strapped on to her because they deemed it unsafe but she decided to climb up the slope and do it anyway. 

I assume it was at the family camp because any place I've been to that has that equipment has height and weight rules and would never allow this. 

Yes, it was at Fort Rock. And Austin claims that Giddy was harnessed. 

[bal maiden]

SOTDRT fail on Austin’s Instagram bio:

Quote

Austin Forsyth

I love the Lord my God, husband, father, home builder & pilot.

I can’t be the only one who read this as him loving his husband, his father etc., surely? 

Ooops now I can’t get my comment out of the quote box! SOTDRT fail for me, now! ?
 

Edited January 21, 2021 by bal maiden

[Glasgowghirl]

9 hours ago, marmalade said:

Yes, it was at Fort Rock. And Austin claims that Giddy was harnessed. 

Hopefully he was but I still can't believe they had him on it in the first place, a few years ago my nephew was on a smaller zipline swing in a local park and the swing jolted as it was coming to the end and he ended up hitting his back off the posts that were holding it up and was badly bruised, his dad took him to A and E and he was fine otherwise but it was a sore one. Him and his younger brother had been on it plenty times before and since and had been fine but accidents happen even taking safety precautions. 

 

[AussieKrissy]

I let my (then) three year old go on the tree tops ziplining course 

it was the kiddy one they can not unhook the harness while on the course she was in a harness gloves and helmet and she was no more than two metres off the ground and parents could walk underneath them or next to them the entire course. She loved it. It was safe and enjoyable. 

It is a perfectly good activity for Giddy if done at an age appropriate course and safely. 

Austin having him harnessed in (if he did) makes me feel a little better. 

[marmalade]

7 hours ago, AussieKrissy said:

I let my (then) three year old go on the tree tops ziplining course 

it was the kiddy one they can not unhook the harness while on the course she was in a harness gloves and helmet and she was no more than two metres off the ground and parents could walk underneath them or next to them the entire course. She loved it. It was safe and enjoyable. 

It is a perfectly good activity for Giddy if done at an age appropriate course and safely. 

Austin having him harnessed in (if he did) makes me feel a little better. 

This zipline is over a lake. 

[Bluebirdbluebell]

9 hours ago, AussieKrissy said:

I let my (then) three year old go on the tree tops ziplining course 

it was the kiddy one they can not unhook the harness while on the course she was in a harness gloves and helmet and she was no more than two metres off the ground and parents could walk underneath them or next to them the entire course. She loved it. It was safe and enjoyable. 

It is a perfectly good activity for Giddy if done at an age appropriate course and safely. 

Austin having him harnessed in (if he did) makes me feel a little better. 

If you see the picture, you see Austin and Gideon are both on the zipline.  It was big and high enough that Austin (a grown man) could be on the zipline. The harnesses only go around the legs Neither of them have helmets. Austin doesn't have gloves. If they fall, Austin could fall on Gideon!
I post a link above, where it says "Austin must be nuts!" You can see the pictures for yourself. 

Camp Fort Rock is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Everything is done haphazardly with very little safety precautions. People always say fundies don't sue, but if the injuries are bad enough and a lot of medical care is needed they'll have no choice. 

Austin has continuously proven to be reckless father, He and Joy keep getting worse and worse. They need to be cautious and value their children. I wouldn't let my child zipline at a young age, but I can see that there are ways to make it safer.

[AussieKrissy]

1 minute ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

If you see the picture, you see Austin and Gideon are both on the zipline.  It was big and high enough that Austin (a grown man) could be on the zipline. The harnesses only go around the legs Neither of them have helmets. Austin doesn't have gloves. If they fall, Austin could fall on Gideon!
I post a link above, where it says "Austin must be nuts!" You can see the pictures for yourself. 

Camp Fort Rock is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Everything is done haphazardly with very little safety precautions. People always say fundies don't sue, but if the injuries are bad enough and a lot of medical care is needed they'll have no choice. 

Austin has continuously proven to be reckless father, He and Joy keep getting worse and worse. They need to be cautious and value their children. I wouldn't let my child zipline at a young age, but I can see that there are ways to make it safer.

Agreed. It’s only good if it’s safe and age appropriate. I would hate to be be paying their public insurance indemnity. I don’t think most insurances would/should not cover them with their blatant disregard for safety. 

[purple_summer]

15 hours ago, AussieKrissy said:

Agreed. It’s only good if it’s safe and age appropriate. I would hate to be be paying their public insurance indemnity. I don’t think most insurances would/should not cover them with their blatant disregard for safety. 

You think they have insurance????

[AussieKrissy]

1 hour ago, purple_summer said:

You think they have insurance????

Who would have a place like that without insurance???!!!!???

oh that’s right maybe dead stupid fundies. 
who knows. I wouldn’t have a place like that without it. 

[Iamtheway]

18 hours ago, AussieKrissy said:

Who would have a place like that without insurance???!!!!???

oh that’s right maybe dead stupid fundies. 
who knows. I wouldn’t have a place like that without it. 

They don’t need insurance. They have Jesus!

[Karma]

Carlin Bates posted on her Insta story that Joy was visiting her.  Now admittedly my knowledge of baby pouches is rusty as my youngest is nearly 21, but I’m pretty sure I used to make sure their faces weren’t covered so that they could actually breathe.

 

[Jaedzia]

On 1/22/2021 at 3:29 AM, Bluebirdbluebell said:

Camp Fort Rock is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Everything is done haphazardly with very little safety precautions. People always say fundies don't sue, but if the injuries are bad enough and a lot of medical care is needed they'll have no choice. 

Grew up lite fundie. My father was literally ran over by a man in DC. Because the man’s mother was a Christian my father refused to sue the man who didn’t have car insurance. The military refused to pay my fathers medical bills, health insurance was through the military at the time(still is for my parents). My father ended up declaring BK to get out of debt(3 months in the hospital, living off of credit cards, etc...). Funny part is, 3 months after the BK the military settled with my father. He got to keep it because of the BK. So no, sometimes they don’t sue and they lose their house like we did. The money he did get finally was not enough to make up for us losing our house. A second more minor time was when I was a teen and a girl hit me. I wasn’t hurt but once again that family didn’t have insurance. My dad refused to sue because they were Christians and paid the car repairs himself.  I have always felt that my dad put these strangers that were Christians before his family. Don’t ask how I felt growing up knowing every Christian in our church came before me. 
 

I haven’t posted in a long time but felt compelled to do so now.

[Bluebirdbluebell]

4 hours ago, Jaedzia said:

Grew up lite fundie. My father was literally ran over by a man in DC. Because the man’s mother was a Christian my father refused to sue the man who didn’t have car insurance. The military refused to pay my fathers medical bills, health insurance was through the military at the time(still is for my parents). My father ended up declaring BK to get out of debt(3 months in the hospital, living off of credit cards, etc...). Funny part is, 3 months after the BK the military settled with my father. He got to keep it because of the BK. So no, sometimes they don’t sue and they lose their house like we did. The money he did get finally was not enough to make up for us losing our house. A second more minor time was when I was a teen and a girl hit me. I wasn’t hurt but once again that family didn’t have insurance. My dad refused to sue because they were Christians and paid the car repairs himself.  I have always felt that my dad put these strangers that were Christians before his family. Don’t ask how I felt growing up knowing every Christian in our church came before me. 
 

I haven’t posted in a long time but felt compelled to do so now.

I find this story a little hard to believe, but if it's true, your father sounds awful and I'm sorry you went through that.  

Anyway just because some fundies don't sue, doesn't mean everyone won't sue. It depends on the person and how bad the injuries are.  I think it's incredibly stupid that Austin and his family are incredibly to count on everyone who visits the camp not suing. Also they morally responsible for any injuries that occur, because the camp is lax on safety precautions. 

[Jaedzia]

9 hours ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

I find this story a little hard to believe, but if it's true, your father sounds awful and I'm sorry you went through that.  

And that the reason he did it. So people would be astonished at how unselfish and Christian he was, or so he thought.  
 

I never felt loved or important to my parents and I married a man who was in a somewhat similar boat. We didn’t make the same mistake is all I will say. 

[AussieKrissy]

22 hours ago, Jaedzia said:

Grew up lite fundie. My father was literally ran over by a man in DC. Because the man’s mother was a Christian my father refused to sue the man who didn’t have car insurance. The military refused to pay my fathers medical bills, health insurance was through the military at the time(still is for my parents). My father ended up declaring BK to get out of debt(3 months in the hospital, living off of credit cards, etc...). Funny part is, 3 months after the BK the military settled with my father. He got to keep it because of the BK. So no, sometimes they don’t sue and they lose their house like we did. The money he did get finally was not enough to make up for us losing our house. A second more minor time was when I was a teen and a girl hit me. I wasn’t hurt but once again that family didn’t have insurance. My dad refused to sue because they were Christians and paid the car repairs himself.  I have always felt that my dad put these strangers that were Christians before his family. Don’t ask how I felt growing up knowing every Christian in our church came before me. 
 

I haven’t posted in a long time but felt compelled to do so now.

Oh Love, Random stranger on the internet sending you big happy healing hugs xoxox 

[Jaedzia]

22 minutes ago, AussieKrissy said:

Oh Love, Random stranger on the internet sending you big happy healing hugs xoxox 

Thank You, that was kind. 

[artdecades]

These people are so dangerously dumb 

[moreorlessnu]

17 hours ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

Anyway just because some fundies don't sue, doesn't mean everyone won't sue. It depends on the person and how bad the injuries are. 

I've known people who refused to sue because they, "didn't want to be one of *those* people", and other woman who sued so often her family nicknamed her, "Sue".