Classically Abby: Conservative Wife in Denial

[Glasgowghirl]

I find anyone who only thinks their political and religious beliefs are right and thinks anyone who doesn't agree with them are brainwashed insufferable. I will likely never vote for the UK Conservative party because I don't share their values but I have had respect to some extent respect for the party leaders and Prime Ministers who do a difficult job regardless of what I think of them. Boris may be the exception to this because he is so terrible and makes me miss Theresa May and Gordon Brown and those two were bad at being PM. 

[milkteeth]

Despite blanketing her page all over YouTube she still doesn't even have 50k followers. I tried watching one of her videos and I realize that it's because she is a complete charisma void. At least her brother found his grift by talking quickly at conservative baby boomers who are worried about "free speech on campus". It also seems that her videos aren't reaching their intended audience of young unmarried ladies who have yet to go down the path of SJW-dom. If you check out all of the downvotes and comments dunking on her videos, it seems most people are just hate-watching them like we are. 

[Marmion]

18 hours ago, Glasgowghirl said:

I find anyone who only thinks their political and religious beliefs are right and thinks anyone who doesn't agree with them are brainwashed insufferable. I will likely never vote for the UK Conservative party because I don't share their values but I have had respect to some extent respect for the party leaders and Prime Ministers who do a difficult job regardless of what I think of them. Boris may be the exception to this because he is so terrible and makes me miss Theresa May and Gordon Brown and those two were bad at being PM. 

Speaking of which , on a somewhat related note , in order to highlight the difference between British Conservatives , and U.S. Republicans , here is an interview of Ben Shapiro , by Andrew Neil .   

 

[The Mother Dust]

You're welcome.  Starts at :28.   ?

[dolcez]

I discovered Abby a year or two ago on Twitter, someone shared a picture of her and people immediately started "simping"* over her. Most of the people were democrats/leftists/socialists, so this development is incredibly funny. It's like the Tik Tok kids who claim Barron Trump is a secret leftist who hates his parents. Anything is possible, sure, but what are the odds? I'm cackling.

* being "head over heels" or "thirsting" over someone.

[AmericanRose]

Huh. Who would have thought CA would be so "pro-life" she thinks life begins at fertilization?

If You Care About Women, Be PRO-LIFE || It's time to fight for motherhood and our MOST vulnerable

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CA asks what you think of when she says babies, and goes on to describe them.
Then she goes on to say that we've been sold a story that babies are stealing our freedom.
"Mothers everywhere have been told to turn on the children growing in their wombs and have been guided to take their lives."

CA proclaims that today is the day the day that we stand up and say we are pro-life.

CA says that the pro-choice movement calls infants thieves who should be done away with when convenient.

"They've coddled us into hearing the word abortion, and not really listening to what it means. They say it's just a fetus, so we think of it as other than a baby. They call it an abortion, or a termination, so they can avoid saying it's the taking of human life. Murder."

CA says that a "baby's" life begins at fertilization. She says the pro-choice movement will tell you it doesn't look like a baby, but it already has separate DNA and a heartbeat at 3 weeks. At 9 weeks, "a baby" is sucking its thumb. 

She says that more 60 million American children have been aborted since 1973.

CA claims federal law allows "babies" to be murdered up until birth, which means they'll be injected with a substance that causes cardiac arrest whilst the woman is induced to deliver a stillborn baby.
"So the child simply isn't convenient".

CA says young women in 2020 have been told they get to choose what happens with their body, and that's true, but they don't get to choose what happens to someone else's body.

CA says pregnancy can be difficult, but tearing a "baby" from its mothers womb, in pieces, is worse.

"Imagine not being able to speak as the decision of your life or death was decided without your consent."

CA says that studies show "babies" can feel pain as early as 12 weeks.

CA says that being pro-life is being pro-woman's rights, and that includes the rights of unborn women.

"Women have been misled into pursuing pleasure after pleasure, to live in the perpetual present with no meaning in sight, to sacrifice the inestimable value of human life for empty freedom, there is no worse tragedy for mother and child. When a woman fights her own instincts, [...] she has been victimized into leaving behind the role she was born to play."

CA says there are "so many" resources to help single mothers. There are "so many" families waiting to adopt a child. 

CA mocks the reasons the pro-choice movement gives for justifying abortion.

CA says the only way to stop the murder of the unborn is to be pro-life, and know that a baby's life is the greatest gift we could ever receive.
"Unlearn everything that has been sold to you by those who would sacrifice a baby on the altar of convenience. And know that even if you had an abortion, you can come back from it. You are a victim of a broken narrative. One that takes, and takes, but never gives. You are welcomed with open arms by those who fight for infants lives."

 

Okay. Well. Wow.

I suppose I'm not all that surprised that a wealthy white woman thinks abortions are performed late in the day for 'convenience'.
I am surprised that someone so wedded to their identity as a 'conservative' would utter the words 'empty freedom'.

[Marmion]

3 hours ago, AmericanRose said:

Huh. Who would have thought CA would be so "pro-life" she thinks life begins at fertilization?

If You Care About Women, Be PRO-LIFE || It's time to fight for motherhood and our MOST vulnerable

  Hide contents

 

CA asks what you think of when she says babies, and goes on to describe them.
Then she goes on to say that we've been sold a story that babies are stealing our freedom.
"Mothers everywhere have been told to turn on the children growing in their wombs and have been guided to take their lives."

CA proclaims that today is the day the day that we stand up and say we are pro-life.

CA says that the pro-choice movement calls infants thieves who should be done away with when convenient.

"They've coddled us into hearing the word abortion, and not really listening to what it means. They say it's just a fetus, so we think of it as other than a baby. They call it an abortion, or a termination, so they can avoid saying it's the taking of human life. Murder."

CA says that a "baby's" life begins at fertilization. She says the pro-choice movement will tell you it doesn't look like a baby, but it already has separate DNA and a heartbeat at 3 weeks. At 9 weeks, "a baby" is sucking its thumb. 

She says that more 60 million American children have been aborted since 1973.

CA claims federal law allows "babies" to be murdered up until birth, which means they'll be injected with a substance that causes cardiac arrest whilst the woman is induced to deliver a stillborn baby.
"So the child simply isn't convenient".

CA says young women in 2020 have been told they get to choose what happens with their body, and that's true, but they don't get to choose what happens to someone else's body.

CA says pregnancy can be difficult, but tearing a "baby" from its mothers womb, in pieces, is worse.

"Imagine not being able to speak as the decision of your life or death was decided without your consent."

CA says that studies show "babies" can feel pain as early as 12 weeks.

CA says that being pro-life is being pro-woman's rights, and that includes the rights of unborn women.

"Women have been misled into pursuing pleasure after pleasure, to live in the perpetual present with no meaning in sight, to sacrifice the inestimable value of human life for empty freedom, there is no worse tragedy for mother and child. When a woman fights her own instincts, [...] she has been victimized into leaving behind the role she was born to play."

CA says there are "so many" resources to help single mothers. There are "so many" families waiting to adopt a child. 

CA mocks the reasons the pro-choice movement gives for justifying abortion.

CA says the only way to stop the murder of the unborn is to be pro-life, and know that a baby's life is the greatest gift we could ever receive.
"Unlearn everything that has been sold to you by those who would sacrifice a baby on the altar of convenience. And know that even if you had an abortion, you can come back from it. You are a victim of a broken narrative. One that takes, and takes, but never gives. You are welcomed with open arms by those who fight for infants lives."

 

Okay. Well. Wow.

I suppose I'm not all that surprised that a wealthy white woman thinks abortions are performed late in the day for 'convenience'.
I am surprised that someone so wedded to their identity as a 'conservative' would utter the words 'empty freedom'.

What surprises me somewhat ,  regarding her view of abortion , is that it sounds more like what traditionally Catholics believe , rather than what Judaism , her professed religion , teaches .  

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Jewish law does not share the belief common among abortion opponents that life begins at conception, nor does it legally consider the fetus to be a full person deserving of protections equal those accorded to human beings. In Jewish law, a fetus attains the status of a full person only at birth. Sources in the Talmud indicate that prior to 40 days of gestation, the fetus has an even more limited legal status, with one Talmudic authority (Yevamot 69b) asserting that prior to 40 days the fetus is “mere water.” Elsewhere, the Talmud indicates that the ancient rabbis regarded a fetus as part of its mother throughout the pregnancy, dependent fully on her for its life — a view that echoes the position that women should be free to make decisions concerning their own bodies...  

The Torah does not address the issue directly. The principal biblical source for Jewish law on abortion is a passage in Exodus (Exodus 21:22-23) concerning a case in which two men are fighting and injure a pregnant woman, causing her to miscarry. The verse states that if no other harm is done, the person who caused the damage must pay compensatory damages, but if there is further harm, then he should pay with his life. The common rabbinic interpretation is that if the only harm that comes to the woman is the loss of the fetus, it is treated as a case of property damage — not murder.

The later rabbinic sources address the issue more directly, beginning with the Mishnah referenced above. Elsewhere, the Mishnah says that if a pregnant woman is sentenced to death, the execution can go forward provided she has not yet gone into labor, a further indication that Jewish law does not accord the fetus full human rights prior to birth.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/abortion-in-jewish-thought/    

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Here are the outer limits of the Jewish positions on abortion: 1) Unlike in Catholicism, in Judaism the fetus isn’t a legal person until it’s born, so abortion can’t be murder. (This isn’t even as different from Catholicism as it seems. The Catholic Church itself didn’t insist that life began at conception until 1869. Before that, the Church tolerated abortions through the 40th day of pregnancy.) 2) The fetus, although perhaps not a legal person, is a potential one with a limited number of legal rights (such as the ability to inherit property in certain cases), so abortion is like murder, even if it isn’t exactly the same thing.

Naturally, depending on where you’re disposed to end up on the abortion question, you’ll start with a different biblical text. If you’re basically willing to tolerate the practice, you’ll cite a passage in Exodus (Ex. 21:22) in which two men fight and one of them accidentally hits a pregnant woman in the belly, causing her to miscarry. If she is not harmed in any other way, the Bible says, then the man who struck her has to pay her husband damages. From this one can deduce that feticide isn’t murder, because the penalty for murder is death. Rather, removing a fetus is said to be like amputating a limb–which a woman is still not allowed to do for mere economic or cosmetic reasons, since that would be self-mutilation, which is forbidden...  Rabbis also offer a dizzying menu of views about how early or late into a pregnancy the procedure can be performed, ranging from only up to 40 days after conception to up to the beginning of the third term. (If the birthing process seems likely to be fatal for the mother, you can remove the fetus at the very last moment–until the head crowns, at which point the fetus becomes a person with a soul and a full legal identity.) These debates derive from different verses than the ones cited above. In one such verse, the fetus is deemed to be little more than water until quickening (in the ancient world, 40 days after insemination).

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2000/08/what-do-orthodox-jews-think-about-abortion-and-why.html  

[milkteeth]

On 8/17/2020 at 6:27 PM, Marmion said:

What surprises me somewhat ,  regarding her view of abortion , is that it sounds more like what traditionally Catholics believe , rather than what Judaism , her professed religion , teaches .  

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/abortion-in-jewish-thought/    

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2000/08/what-do-orthodox-jews-think-about-abortion-and-why.html  

 

It's because everything that they do, including their professed religious beliefs, is based on grifting conservatives. The Fox News side of the culture war has declared that life begins at conception, and so that is what Abby and Ben must believe as well in order to get the cash that funds their lifestyle. 

I listened to a little bit of one of her and her husband's movie review videos and I had to stop because I just felt like banging my head against a wall. They were reviewing Quentin Tarentino's movies and Abby ultimately decided she didn't like them because "They don't mean anything. They aren't trying to say anything and don't have a message." There is plenty of criticism you can lob at Tarentino's movies, but not every piece of art has to be a morality play about why it's bad to let teachers be in a union or whatever message the Shapiros think should be conveyed in art. 

One thing I am kind of surprised by is how much of a Disney Adult Abby is. I thought that Disney had been declared officially liberal and thus off limits after movies like Black Panther and Captain Marvel. 

 

 

[AmericanRose]

So I originally went to her page to see if she has posted another "I Love My Conservative Life" video. And now there is, so!

Why I Love My CONSERVATIVE Life!! || Why having a COMMUNITY is SO important...

Spoiler

 

Since becoming more open about her conservatism, Abby has found more of a community.
This confuses me, since... isn't her family conservative? Her father was a composer and her mother was a TV executive, so I'm sure they had some sort of community. Maybe the Parent Shapiro's were less strict about what company they kept, though? I'm sure Ben could have provided his sister with a large conservative community, though...

CA says conservatives are more ready to be part of a community, and to welcome others into it. She's trying to create a community with her channel.

Disclaimer that if you're not conservative, that doesn't mean you don't have a community.

"It's been really hard, in today's day and age, to find other women who want to be part of a community because conservative women aren't really allowed to speak out and say that that's what they believe."
In this day and age? We're more connected than ever before. If you want to have a community, you don't have to rely on your neighbourhood block, your town, your church - you can create one with people all over the world.
There are plenty of conservative women speaking out on Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, etc.
And in all honesty, I don't really care what someone else believes in politics, religion, etc. - that's your business. But I do care when you decide it's your business to begin making or lobbying for laws that affect me.

CA finds the conservative women in her life have made a huge effort to stay in touch since 'quarantine' began. She says they're all able to openly share their viewpoints without being afraid someone is going to cancel them [giggle] in the friend group.
She says she has liberal friends and had friends in school, but it was different because everyone was much more interested in individualism or their career or their own lives.
That's interesting... I seem to remember Obama saying something about how it takes a community to build a business, and conservatives being up in arms about it.

CA says conservatism believes in the nuclear family structure and if you have a family, you're going to be part of a community. She says millennials don't have a natural pull toward community for a lot of reasons, like career and not people being #1, or because everyone is transitory and know they're going to be leaving.
I don't understand this one at all. Even people in transition build communities. Liberals get married and want communities for their kids. Is she sure she has liberal friends? Because she sure seems to like painting them with a broad brush.

CA gushes about the different generations to be found in communities. CA says when you're a single Millennial living alone, you're not going to be around people in a different stage of life.
"You're not going to see your elderly neighbour who wants to bring you cookies" Is she in an episode of Leave It to Beaver? "You're not going to bring them cookies."
Apparently I'm also not around kids, who would give me a hope for the future.
CA is getting very weird with her gushing about kids. And talks about those kids having kids. Um, can we let them grow up and have life experiences first?

CA says the people her age who aren't conservative aren't married, are living on their own, and are pursuing their careers. Well... yeah. You're 27.
Big wide grin as she talks about the conservatives around her that are her age are married and having kids, and building a community around that. This section is weirding me out a bit.

Hey Abby, though I'm a single millennial liberal in a city, I was still excited and happy for my friends and family when they got married and began having kids. It's just not something I personally am ready for... and that's okay.

Random question: as a liberal, should I not squeal over the cuteness of a tiny baby shoe? Should I not throw baby showers for friends? Should I not give baked goods to friends/family/coworkers? Do I have to give up my lib card?? I suspect my idea of family is more expansive than Abby's.

CA says being part of a community means having a built-in support system. Yes, that's why I was able to go home for 2 weeks; I had a friend who was willing to house/cat sit for 2 weeks. Abby seems to think conservatives have a monopoly on community, and I'm baffled. She says when she had friends before she was conservative, she couldn't count on them a lot of the time because when you're an individual, you're not as concerned about what it would do for the community if you're not helping. Abby, you're, what, 27 or 28? Most in their early 20s aren't too reliable. For that matter, I have a cousin in her mid-20s who's a conservative, and she always shows up an hour+ late to family events, if she bothers to show up at all. However, I'm not going to point at her and say conservatives are unreliable. Reliability is a personal (and possibly age) thing.

CA says faith is more accepted by conservatives. She says when she and her husband move (hm, are you transitory?) they check if there's a synagogue, because that means there'll be a community. CA says faith-based communities are more of an example of everyone being there to support each other.

 

Conservatives are so weird.

[Marmion]

56 minutes ago, AmericanRose said:

So I originally went to her page to see if she has posted another "I Love My Conservative Life" video. And now there is, so!

Why I Love My CONSERVATIVE Life!! || Why having a COMMUNITY is SO important...

  Hide contents

 

Since becoming more open about her conservatism, Abby has found more of a community.
This confuses me, since... isn't her family conservative? Her father was a composer and her mother was a TV executive, so I'm sure they had some sort of community. Maybe the Parent Shapiro's were less strict about what company they kept, though? I'm sure Ben could have provided his sister with a large conservative community, though...

CA says conservatives are more ready to be part of a community, and to welcome others into it. She's trying to create a community with her channel.

Disclaimer that if you're not conservative, that doesn't mean you don't have a community.

"It's been really hard, in today's day and age, to find other women who want to be part of a community because conservative women aren't really allowed to speak out and say that that's what they believe."
In this day and age? We're more connected than ever before. If you want to have a community, you don't have to rely on your neighbourhood block, your town, your church - you can create one with people all over the world.
There are plenty of conservative women speaking out on Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, etc.
And in all honesty, I don't really care what someone else believes in politics, religion, etc. - that's your business. But I do care when you decide it's your business to begin making or lobbying for laws that affect me.

CA finds the conservative women in her life have made a huge effort to stay in touch since 'quarantine' began. She says they're all able to openly share their viewpoints without being afraid someone is going to cancel them [giggle] in the friend group.
She says she has liberal friends and had friends in school, but it was different because everyone was much more interested in individualism or their career or their own lives.
That's interesting... I seem to remember Obama saying something about how it takes a community to build a business, and conservatives being up in arms about it.

CA says conservatism believes in the nuclear family structure and if you have a family, you're going to be part of a community. She says millennials don't have a natural pull toward community for a lot of reasons, like career and not people being #1, or because everyone is transitory and know they're going to be leaving.
I don't understand this one at all. Even people in transition build communities. Liberals get married and want communities for their kids. Is she sure she has liberal friends? Because she sure seems to like painting them with a broad brush.

CA gushes about the different generations to be found in communities. CA says when you're a single Millennial living alone, you're not going to be around people in a different stage of life.
"You're not going to see your elderly neighbour who wants to bring you cookies" Is she in an episode of Leave It to Beaver? "You're not going to bring them cookies."
Apparently I'm also not around kids, who would give me a hope for the future.
CA is getting very weird with her gushing about kids. And talks about those kids having kids. Um, can we let them grow up and have life experiences first?

CA says the people her age who aren't conservative aren't married, are living on their own, and are pursuing their careers. Well... yeah. You're 27.
Big wide grin as she talks about the conservatives around her that are her age are married and having kids, and building a community around that. This section is weirding me out a bit.

Hey Abby, though I'm a single millennial liberal in a city, I was still excited and happy for my friends and family when they got married and began having kids. It's just not something I personally am ready for... and that's okay.

Random question: as a liberal, should I not squeal over the cuteness of a tiny baby shoe? Should I not throw baby showers for friends? Should I not give baked goods to friends/family/coworkers? Do I have to give up my lib card?? I suspect my idea of family is more expansive than Abby's.

CA says being part of a community means having a built-in support system. Yes, that's why I was able to go home for 2 weeks; I had a friend who was willing to house/cat sit for 2 weeks. Abby seems to think conservatives have a monopoly on community, and I'm baffled. She says when she had friends before she was conservative, she couldn't count on them a lot of the time because when you're an individual, you're not as concerned about what it would do for the community if you're not helping. Abby, you're, what, 27 or 28? Most in their early 20s aren't too reliable. For that matter, I have a cousin in her mid-20s who's a conservative, and she always shows up an hour+ late to family events, if she bothers to show up at all. However, I'm not going to point at her and say conservatives are unreliable. Reliability is a personal (and possibly age) thing.

CA says faith is more accepted by conservatives. She says when she and her husband move (hm, are you transitory?) they check if there's a synagogue, because that means there'll be a community. CA says faith-based communities are more of an example of everyone being there to support each other.

 

Conservatives are so weird.

This is really strange .  On a somewhat related note , due in large part to the pandemic I imagine , churches have been uploading services online .  So I have been able , for the first time of my life to take in what services in a Unitarian Universalist congregation can be like .  I have found that in this denomination , which has a reputation for supporting progressive social reform , sermons frequently make mention of the " beloved community "  .  https://www.patheos.com/blogs/carlgregg/2015/03/what-do-we-mean-we-when-say-building-the-beloved-community/  For an example , take this video , if you wish .   

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So such Communitarianism is not unique to consconservatives , or liberals .  

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Reflecting the dominance of liberal and conservative politics in the United States, no major party and few elected officials openly advocate communitarianism. Thus there is no consensus on individual policies, but some that most communitarians endorse have been enacted. Nonetheless, there is a small faction of communitarians within the Democratic Party; prominent communitarians include Bob Casey Jr.,Joe Donnelly, and Claire McCaskill. Many communitarian Democrats are part of the Blue Dog Coalition. A small communitarian faction within the Republican Party also exists. Rick Santorum is an example of a communitarian Republican.[20] It is quite possible that the United States' right-libertarian ideological underpinnings have suppressed major communitarian factions from emerging.[21]

Dana Milbank, writing in the Washington Post, remarked of modern communitarians, "There is still no such thing as a card-carrying communitarian, and therefore no consensus on policies. Some, such as John DiIulio and outside Bush adviser Marvin Olasky, favor religious solutions for communities, while others, like Etzioni and Galston, prefer secular approaches."[22]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism#Influence   

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There are politicians of communitarian spirit in both political parties.  In politics, the communitarian emphasis is on mitigating the impact of pure self-interest by reminding both political leaders and citizens of their obligations to the common good.  A state cannot live by self-interest alone.  “A person who is completely private is lost to civic life,” declares the Responsive Communitarian Platform. “The exclusive pursuit of one’s self-interest is not even a good prescription for conduct in the marketplace; for no social, political, economic, or moral order can survive that way. Some measure of caring, sharing, and being our brother’s and sister’s keeper, is essential if we are not all to fall back on an ever more expansive government, bureaucratized welfare agencies, and swollen regulations, police, courts, and jails.”

https://communitariannetwork.org/political-process    In the UK , Communitarians can range from Red Tories , on the right , to Blue Labour  , on the left . 

[Four is Enough]

On 8/17/2020 at 9:27 PM, Marmion said:

What surprises me somewhat ,  regarding her view of abortion , is that it sounds more like what traditionally Catholics believe , rather than what Judaism , her professed religion , teaches .  

(Ahem) Educated Catholics don't believe the drivel she posted.

[Marmion]

7 hours ago, Four is Enough said:

(Ahem) Educated Catholics don't believe the drivel she posted.

I was referring to what the Church officially teaches in its catechism .  Yes , I am aware that not all Catholics take it to heart . {   https://urge.org/i-am-pro-choice-because-i-am-catholic-not-in-spite-of-it/ ,  https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/i-am-prochoice-catholic  } 

[AmericanRose]

Classically Abby is just the gift that keeps on giving! Also: spoiler alert.

5 Chick Flicks That Are ACCIDENTALLY Conservative! || These movies reveal CONSERVATIVE truths...

CA has been wanting to do a series about movies with an accidental (or accidentally-on-purpose) conservative message, because most movies are very liberal and makes conservatives wonder if they're alone.

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1. A Walk to Remember - maybe on purpose, since it tells the story of a religious girl in a positive light. This movie is conservative because it's the opposite of Grease - the bad guy turns good for the girl. CA likes it because the message is that people can be redeemed, and they can be better together. And when they got married at the end, she found that so romantic that they value marriage even in the short term. CA also compares the movie to Sweet November, and says in AWTR the main character doesn't use her cancer as an excuse to go around acting however she wants (IE, sleeping around). "She's still godly, she still improves someone else's life, and she does end up married at the end."
- So... marriage is always the end goal, even if you're 18 and terminally ill? I just don't understand this extreme celebration of marriage. I also remember watching this movie as a teenager with my then-boyfriend, and sure it was sad, but I found it kind of boring.

2. Friends with Benefits & No Strings Attached - she doesn't think these are good movies and doesn't recommend them, but she thinks they have a good message: if you are going to engage in sex with someone, you will have feelings for them. You can't divide sex and relationships. CA also says that the feminist idea that you can have sex without 'catching' feelings and it will be empowering, etc., doesn't happen. FWB's are never a good idea. CA says these movies accidentally have a very conservative message: using female empowerment to have sex with whoever you want isn't actually going to go that well for you just because sex and emotions go hand in hand.
- I've had several FWB's. Some ended up with feelings, some didn't (weirdly enough, there were a couple instances where the man 'caught' feelings, and I didn't!) But that doesn't matter - the feminist idea is that a woman's worth doesn't lie in her virginity, or in how many sexual partners she hasn't had. If you love casual sex, great. If you don't, also great. The point is that a woman gets to decide what to do with her own sexuality.

3. Miss Congeniality - CA loves this movie. Once Sandra Bullock's character embraces her femininity, she becomes much happier. CA says that's a really good lesson: you can be a strong/empowered (in the conservative's woman sense of the word) woman, and also be feminine. And if you lack the feminine side of things, you're not really taking care of yourself.
- What does she mean, if you lack the feminine side of things, you're not really taking care of yourself...? I'm not so sure the movie was about femininity - it was probably a deeper message about opening yourself up to others - but TBH I don't really remember watching this movie, if I did.

4. 13 Going on 30 - CA loves this movie. It's accidentally conservative because the main character realizes that her pursuit of fame and fashion and glory come secondary to love and marriage and growing a family.
- I feel it's pretty normal for a young teen to idealize big city life, especially if they live in a rural or suburban environment. For that matter, I did the same, and it's only now in my 30s that I'm coming around to the idea of maybe having a family in a few years.

5. While You Were Sleeping - CA also loves this movie. Before the main character falls in love with the man, she falls in love with his family, and that's a conservative truth - family and community is so important. Living alone is not going to give you joy, happiness or meaning.
- I dunno about that. Living alone is giving me plenty of joy and happiness! I find meaning in things beyond my living situation, though. Isn't this the movie where Sandra Bullock lies to a man in a coma's family about being his fiance...? Is lying a conservative truth as well?

I find it very weird that we're apparently politicizing rom-coms now. And by these metrics, most movies and TV actually have conservative messages, so WTF is this 'liberal media'?

[JermajestyDuggar]

7 hours ago, AmericanRose said:

Classically Abby is just the gift that keeps on giving! Also: spoiler alert.

5 Chick Flicks That Are ACCIDENTALLY Conservative! || These movies reveal CONSERVATIVE truths...

CA has been wanting to do a series about movies with an accidental (or accidentally-on-purpose) conservative message, because most movies are very liberal and makes conservatives wonder if they're alone.

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1. A Walk to Remember - maybe on purpose, since it tells the story of a religious girl in a positive light. This movie is conservative because it's the opposite of Grease - the bad guy turns good for the girl. CA likes it because the message is that people can be redeemed, and they can be better together. And when they got married at the end, she found that so romantic that they value marriage even in the short term. CA also compares the movie to Sweet November, and says in AWTR the main character doesn't use her cancer as an excuse to go around acting however she wants (IE, sleeping around). "She's still godly, she still improves someone else's life, and she does end up married at the end."
- So... marriage is always the end goal, even if you're 18 and terminally ill? I just don't understand this extreme celebration of marriage. I also remember watching this movie as a teenager with my then-boyfriend, and sure it was sad, but I found it kind of boring.

2. Friends with Benefits & No Strings Attached - she doesn't think these are good movies and doesn't recommend them, but she thinks they have a good message: if you are going to engage in sex with someone, you will have feelings for them. You can't divide sex and relationships. CA also says that the feminist idea that you can have sex without 'catching' feelings and it will be empowering, etc., doesn't happen. FWB's are never a good idea. CA says these movies accidentally have a very conservative message: using female empowerment to have sex with whoever you want isn't actually going to go that well for you just because sex and emotions go hand in hand.
- I've had several FWB's. Some ended up with feelings, some didn't (weirdly enough, there were a couple instances where the man 'caught' feelings, and I didn't!) But that doesn't matter - the feminist idea is that a woman's worth doesn't lie in her virginity, or in how many sexual partners she hasn't had. If you love casual sex, great. If you don't, also great. The point is that a woman gets to decide what to do with her own sexuality.

3. Miss Congeniality - CA loves this movie. Once Sandra Bullock's character embraces her femininity, she becomes much happier. CA says that's a really good lesson: you can be a strong/empowered (in the conservative's woman sense of the word) woman, and also be feminine. And if you lack the feminine side of things, you're not really taking care of yourself.
- What does she mean, if you lack the feminine side of things, you're not really taking care of yourself...? I'm not so sure the movie was about femininity - it was probably a deeper message about opening yourself up to others - but TBH I don't really remember watching this movie, if I did.

4. 13 Going on 30 - CA loves this movie. It's accidentally conservative because the main character realizes that her pursuit of fame and fashion and glory come secondary to love and marriage and growing a family.
- I feel it's pretty normal for a young teen to idealize big city life, especially if they live in a rural or suburban environment. For that matter, I did the same, and it's only now in my 30s that I'm coming around to the idea of maybe having a family in a few years.

5. While You Were Sleeping - CA also loves this movie. Before the main character falls in love with the man, she falls in love with his family, and that's a conservative truth - family and community is so important. Living alone is not going to give you joy, happiness or meaning.
- I dunno about that. Living alone is giving me plenty of joy and happiness! I find meaning in things beyond my living situation, though. Isn't this the movie where Sandra Bullock lies to a man in a coma's family about being his fiance...? Is lying a conservative truth as well?

I find it very weird that we're apparently politicizing rom-coms now. And by these metrics, most movies and TV actually have conservative messages, so WTF is this 'liberal media'?

AWTR is just your typical Nicholas Sparks corniness. I’m not a fan personally. 

Miss Congeniality is more about her finding a group of new friends and helping each other. Not about her suddenly becoming more feminine. The title of Miss Congeniality is always voted on by other pageant contestants. They voted for her because of her personality. That didn’t change much through the movie (although she got a makeover). Women supporting each other and working together is pretty feminist to me. 

13 Going on 30 didn’t demonize working girls. The main character made a mistake of choosing to be friends with the mean and popular girls instead of her nerdy best friend Matt. She ended up in a life with the mean and popular girls and that was the problem. Not the fact that she works. Her job wasn’t the problem. It was her friends.

I haven’t seen while you were sleeping in a long time but I dated a guy who was a terrible fit for me but I loved hisfamily. I stayed longer in that crappy relationship because his family was so great. Don’t just marry a guy because you love his family. 

[AmericanRose]

An ad for this one popped up whilst I was watching an atheist video, and though I'm nowhere near marriage, I was curious to see just how sexist she could be.

10 THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW BEFORE BECOMING A WIFE || Time for a wife talk!

I'm pretty sure CA considers being married a personality trait. At the very least, she talks about it A LOT. So!

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1. The first year. CA says marriage isn't hard the first year, but it's a lot of adjustment. I feel a lot of the things she mentions (eating habits, cleanliness levels, etc.) could be smoothed over by talking about these things before marriage, if you're not going to live together first. But it's probably just better to do it the way they did in the old days.

2. Your cleanliness level is going to be different from your husband's. CA hates clutter, her husband hates dust. Be forgiving of each other and understand it will even out.

3. Take time before marriage to learn how to cook. CA says not all wives cook and she totally respects that, she just loves cooking for her husband.

4. Be mindful of each other's space. So I have no problem with this one, but: "When you're living together and you're married, you're with each other even when you're not with each other." So... if you're living together but not married, are you not with each other when you're not with each other...?

5. Take care of your looks. No mention of how men also shouldn't "let themselves go".

6. It's okay to change for your partner. When you get married, your partner wants the best for you and for your marriage, and sometimes they might notice things about you that you can work on. On the bright side, she says you can do this to your partner!
So yes, it's okay for you and your partner to talk about how you can improve together and as individuals, but there's no mention of how you can disagree with their observation. What if you disagree with what they think you can work on?

7. Make your house a home. CA says there's something about being in a home that's lived in by a woman. Um... it sounds as though she expects the man to have bought the house before marriage, and then you come in and bring that feminine, home energy?

8. You can still be friends with your single friends. Just because they're at a different point in their lives doesn't mean you can't still stay friends. CA says of course things will change a bit because you'll have to cook your husband dinner or you have to hang out with him or you'll be on date night... but your relationship with your girl friends doesn't have to change, and you can still go out with them every once in awhile on your own. Gee, how generous!

9. You should let your home be welcoming to your husband's friends. 

10. It's totally normal to argue. Just make sure your arguments are for a purpose.

 

Did I just time-warp to the 1950s?

[Seahorse Wrangler]

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9. You should let your home be welcoming to your husband's friends. 

Guess the woman shouldn't have friends or want their home to be welcoming to them.

[smittykins]

Maybe she isn’t supposed to have friends(some fundies frown on wives having female friends). 

[AmericanRose]

@Seahorse Wrangler @smittykins Oh, she says it's totally fine to maintain your friendships (though you might have to cut friend time short to cook your husband dinner ?). She just seems to be operating under the assumption that the woman will maintain her friends and have them over, but the man will need to go out. 

[AmericanRose]

The Absolute BEST Moments From The LADIES Of The RNC!! ? || Melania Trump, Nikki Haley, and more!

CA didn't get to watch live (why not? I'm far from conservative and I watched), so she looked up clips. And now she'll treat us to the best moments.

They are living conservative values, they believe in god, have families, and do all this while being high-powered women in their fields. CA says you can see they are a great example of feminine strength. "The left" says conservatives believe women aren't or shouldn't be strong, but that's a lie - conservatives believe that women's strength comes from their femininity. Women are the practical voice of moral reason.
CA also wants to mention how beautiful the women looked. They all had lovely make-up and beautiful, modest dresses, and they did their hair really well (her phrasing, not mine). Per CA, when you look beautiful you look ready to take on the world.

CA says the women gave the impression that America as a whole is a community. CA feels that your fellow Americans are your brothers and sisters. Women are the ones who build communities.

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1. Melania Trump. CA thinks "the left" will often write her off as a hypocrite because of her past, but to CA she's the example of her idea that classic doesn't mean perfect. We should judge Melania as she is now - she's a mother, she dresses modestly, she exposes American beliefs. CA has never seen Melania speak before, but she was really impressed. Clip of Melania saying she's inspired most by the Americans who wake up everyday with the goal of providing their families; she says they're the backbone of the US. CA, an opera singer married to a... is Jacob a lawyer? agrees.
2. Nikki Haley. CA says she's a good example of conservative values, and loves that she was wearing a bright pink dress while giving that "fiery speech". Clip of Haley saying that she's learned that, even on our worst day, we're blessed to live in America. CA agrees and says that America was built on lofty principles, and even when we're struggling to live up to those principles, this is still the best country in the world.
3. Elise Stefanik. CA met her at the Enlightened Women Conference last year. Clip of Stefanik talking about believing in the American Dream because she's lived it. CA, who was born in LA to a TV executive mother and composer father, says the American Dream is alive and well and worth fighting for.
4. Alice Johnson. Clip of Johnson saying her 22 years in jail weren't wasted; god had a plan and it wasn't delayed or denied, she was destined. CA loved to see how she was going to fight for what she believes in.
5. Kristi Noem. Clip of Noem saying "America is unique in the world because government power at all levels is limited by the constitution, which protects our god-given liberties and civil rights. We are not, and will not, be the subjects of an elite class of so-called experts. We the people are the government." CA loves how she said we the people are the government, and we get a say in what happens to us/our neighbours/our state/our country.
6. Ivanka Trump. Clip of Ivanka saying "We want a culture where differences of opinion and debate are encouraged, not cancelled". CA is looking to make a safe space for conservative women, but she also wants a place where we can talk about diverse ideas with respect for one another. America is built on open debate, and CA loves that she addressed t

My thoughts:
1. No one has called Melania a hypocrite - they've called conservatives hypocrites for being all about modesty and traditional values until Trump came along.
2. I recently had a discussion about this on YT, and I can't stand the view that the US is the best country. Where are the receipts to back this up?
3. Apparently the Enlightened Women Conference is a leadership conference for conservative women. On that note, I have a hard time hearing people who were born privileged talk about the American Dream. I just can't take them seriously.
4. No mention of Kim Kardashian. Pretty sure this was just inserted because of the religion.
5. "subjects of an elite class of so-called experts". So... does she mean scientists? Because this sounds like some anti-mask rhetoric. Also, what if one of those experts grew up poor and ended up living their American Dream by going to school and becoming a scientist? Does that mean they're elite now?
6. Sure, canceling can go too far. But if someone says something you don't agree with, you're within your right to refuse to engage. And especially in the US, if a company does something you don't approve of, you're well within your right to take your wallet elsewhere.

[AmericanRose]

So as I wait for my hair to dry enough for bedtime...

7 Tips To Grow From A GIRL To A CLASSIC WOMAN || Become the mature woman you were meant to be!

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1. Develope your sense of style. CA says this isn't superficial at all; she feels your style has something to do with who you are as a person. There's a difference between fashion and style; fashion is following the trends, style reflects who you are. CA says she likes feminine clothing with a masculine twist... I immediately envision shoulder pads. One of her examples is "jeans with a flowy top", so... I guess jeans are masculine? I gotta be honest Abby - I never notice if someone is wearing "modest" clothing, though I'm sure if you wore a frumper, people would understand your intentions.
2. Engage with your beliefs and really understand them so you don't feel pressured when someone has a different opinion. Or you could just be like your brother, and just talk really fast so no one has time to respond... but yeah, snark aside, I agree with this one.
3. Get off social media more than you're on it. I find this a bit ironic, since CA is trying hard to become a Youtuber.
4. Try to embrace being calm and collected, and try to accept what you can't control. CA says life isn't always easy or happy, but it is lovely... ah, now I see how she's anti-choice.
5. Take responsibility for your actions. 
6. Be cleanly. I'm not sure, but something about that doesn't seem quite like appropriate English.
7. Figure out what your mission is, and always keep it at the forefront of your mind. CA says it's important to live out your god-given mission with courage and faith, so I guess that means heathens like me don't have missions? I find it funny her examples are SAHMs and women who want a career + family, like the women at the RNC. Either way, you're going to have a family, damnit!

So all in all it's not bad advice, though I am amused by how she and MM always mention something about appearance. I'm also not sure how it's advice for a classic woman, given that it can apply to anyone - this includes men!

If she would drop the "I AM AN OPPRESSED CONSERVATIVE, AND YOU ALL ARE BABY KILLERS" thing, I think I would actually enjoy her channel.

[Marmion]

16 hours ago, AmericanRose said:

. Develope your sense of style. CA says this isn't superficial at all; she feels your style has something to do with who you are as a person. There's a difference between fashion and style; fashion is following the trends, style reflects who you are. CA says she likes feminine clothing with a masculine twist... I immediately envision shoulder pads. One of her examples is "jeans with a flowy top", so... I guess jeans are masculine? I gotta be honest Abby - I never notice if someone is wearing "modest" clothing, though I'm sure if you wore a frumper, people would understand your intentions.

I will say that she does have a unique sense of style , one people might not expect a traditionally feminine conservative woman to have .  For example , she's had her hair cut this short before  

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, so a haircut some might consider boyish , with more pronouncedly feminine attire .   Here's some more pictures I found , which shows her diverse tastes in fashion .   https://www.walikali.com/abigail-shapiro-ben-shapiro-sister/ 

[Skyline]

On 8/5/2020 at 5:44 AM, Marmion said:

Speaking of which , on a somewhat related note , in order to highlight the difference between British Conservatives , and U.S. Republicans , here is an interview of Ben Shapiro , by Andrew Neil .   

 

Did he just try to imply Andrew Neil was on the left? ?

Edited September 6, 2020 by Skyline

[lilah]

Thank you for recapping these because I've refuse to watch any of them since she won't stop advertising on my page and I keep asking you to to stop showing me her ads so I'm boycotting her on principle. 

I'm pleased to know that even though she's probably spending quite a bit of money on advertising it's not translating into subscribers

[AmericanRose]

1 hour ago, lilah said:

Thank you for recapping these because I've refuse to watch any of them since she won't stop advertising on my page and I keep asking you to to stop showing me her ads so I'm boycotting her on principle. 

I'm pleased to know that even though she's probably spending quite a bit of money on advertising it's not translating into subscribers

She has managed to get herself up to 72.3K subscribers, but her like to dislike ratio is still strong, especially on controversial videos like her pro-life one (24K likes, 88K dislikes). That's what happens when you advertise to everyone!

Today she posted a short video:

Being Conservative MATTERS || Fight For Truth, Justice, And The American Way.

She says being conservative today isn't an easy path, and you'll be faced with every kind of hatred. From insults to doxxing, to rioting and violence (in Nebraska?). Weirdly enough, she says you'll be afraid to be an outcast in a culture that doesn't want to hear about morality or truth, but America needs conservatives to keep alive what this country stands for, was built on, and the principles that make this country great. Even as the "mob and the elites" will try to tell you that America has no right to exist at all. 

Abby says America needs conservatives to defend free speech, because there is no truth when one party can declare its propaganda as fact. Wasn't it Kellyanne Conway who came up with 'alternative facts'?

"In the absence of Superman, we are the warriors of truth, justice, and the American way."

In short, this was a propaganda ad for conservatism. Interesting how she avoids saying Republican... actually, though she talked about the ladies of the RNC, she didn't mention Trump.

[Don'tlikekoolaid]

Mr Kool and I got married because our lawyer said to . ?  Honestly he really did.

Marriage is good for me because of the commitment, I tend to be a ride off into the sunset kind of person.  Sounds awful but it’s good to know yourself.