8 Passengers: Youtuber's Take Son's Bed and Refuse to Give Daughter Lunch

[Glasgowghirl]

23 hours ago, Marmion said:

Sounds to me like gaslighting , in that case .  {  https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/here-there-and-everywhere/201701/11-warning-signs-gaslighting  ,  https://kitkennedy.com/2018/09/12/what-is-gaslighting/ } 

I do psychology as part of my degree and I thought the same when I saw the video of her and Chad taking about his room. 

While Kevin is as just as much to blame for everything, Ruby rubbed me up the wrong way from the start she gave me the same vibe Jill Rod and Kate Gosselin give me. The whole I'm the boss of everyone and if you cross me I will ruin you vibe. Like Kate she seems to have children that she hates, Chad and Eve are the ones she is harsh with most, Kate it was Collin and Alexis. 

[MangoTango]

OK, so I've been watching this family on and off for FAR too long, but these are a few thing that stuck out as red flags:

1. Ruby says the reason Julie has a flat head is because she had PPD and didn't pick her up much and didn't give her baths. It got to the point where her siblings complained that Julie smelled. 

2. Russell fell off of the couch when he was a baby and broke his femur. She didn't take him to the hospital for a few days, and the only reason she took him because he wouldn't stop crying. The femur bone is really hard to break especially in babies because they're still fairly flexible.

3. Ruby consistently lost her youngest daughter when they were out and about because she wasn't paying attention to her.

4. Ruby wouldn't bring (her six-year-old daughter) Eve her lunch because Eve needed to learn to bring her lunch to school. This was despite the fact that Eve didn't grow for a good year when she was 5ish.

5. Ruby has always shown such a disdain toward Julie and seems to encourage the rest of the kids to bully the poor girl.

6. Their treatment of their pets is disgusting

I also looked into Anastazi and none of the people appear to be qualified for therapeutic careers. One has a MS in Social Work from the University of Phoenix.  

Honestly, all of the sisters on Ruby's side of the family seem to have major issues and their parents seem questionable. As children, two of the sisters had to share a winter coat. I get that there is poverty and circumstances beyond their control, but I didn't get the impression that it was a financial issues but more of a control and gaslighting thing. 

Ruby also seems to spend a lot money on herself, while making her kids go without or inadequate basic needs like clothes, shoes, and school supplies. The kids are the reason she has so much disposable income. Extra income or not, she should buy her kids clothes that fit, stop withholding school supplies as a punishment, and be a present mother. She also needs to stop filming when her kids tell her to stop or that they're uncomfortable. But, whatever, I'm just projecting according to Ruby and Kevin with his Piled High and Deep degree. 

Edited July 1, 2020 by MangoTango

[Glasgowghirl]

On 7/1/2020 at 2:57 AM, MangoTango said:

OK, so I've been watching this family on and off for FAR too long, but these are a few thing that stuck out as red flags:

1. Ruby says the reason Julie has a flat head is because she had PPD and didn't pick her up much and didn't give her baths. It got to the point where her siblings complained that Julie smelled. 

2. Russell fell off of the couch when he was a baby and broke his femur. She didn't take him to the hospital for a few days, and the only reason she took him because he wouldn't stop crying. The femur bone is really hard to break especially in babies because they're still fairly flexible.

3. Ruby consistently lost her youngest daughter when they were out and about because she wasn't paying attention to her.

4. Ruby wouldn't bring (her six-year-old daughter) Eve her lunch because Eve needed to learn to bring her lunch to school. This was despite the fact that Eve didn't grow for a good year when she was 5ish.

5. Ruby has always shown such a disdain toward Julie and seems to encourage the rest of the kids to bully the poor girl.

6. Their treatment of their pets is disgusting

I also looked into Anastazi and none of the people appear to be qualified for therapeutic careers. One has a MS in Social Work from the University of Phoenix.  

Honestly, all of the sisters on Ruby's side of the family seem to have major issues and their parents seem questionable. As children, two of the sisters had to share a winter coat. I get that there is poverty and circumstances beyond their control, but I didn't get the impression that it was a financial issues but more of a control and gaslighting thing. 

Ruby also seems to spend a lot money on herself, while making her kids go without or inadequate basic needs like clothes, shoes, and school supplies. The kids are the reason she has so much disposable income. Extra income or not, she should buy her kids clothes that fit, stop withholding school supplies as a punishment, and be a present mother. She also needs to stop filming when her kids tell her to stop or that they're uncomfortable. But, whatever, I'm just projecting according to Ruby and Kevin with his Piled High and Deep degree. 

I hadn't heard of her until other channels started to expose her behaviour and I was shocked all the stuff she admitted doing online to those children. 

The video that stood out most for me was one of her threatening to cut the head of one of her young children's teddy bears with scissors, the child was terrified it reminded me of a villian in a children's film, she had a sadistic look on her face. 

I fell sorry all those children being subjected to this abuse, that goes beyond discipline 

[JermajestyDuggar]

31 minutes ago, Glasgowghirl said:

I hadn't heard of her until other channels started to expose her behaviour and I was shocked all the stuff she admitted doing online to those children. 

The video that stood out most for me was one of her threatening to cut the head of one of her young children's teddy bears with scissors, the child was terrified it reminded me of a villian in a children's film, she had a sadistic look on her face. 

I fell sorry all those children being subjected to this abuse, that goes beyond discipline 

My boys are so attached to some of their favorite stuffed animals. They treat them like they are living animals. If I threatened to cut their heads off, I really think they would be traumatized. This makes me so sad. 

[SoybeanQueen]

The video style strikes me as looking almost like a tv series, not really a glimpse into people's lives. The things she shares are not things I would ever share in videos about my kids, but furthermore, why would any viewers be interested in knowing why some random kid got in trouble for wearing a uniform wrong at school? I don't know about y'all, but I'm too busy handling my own kids to be concerned about what another family's children are doing wrong in life. I read here, but I definitely don't have the minutes or motivation to watch video after video of that crap.

[Gobsmacked]

The basement flooded recently. Some problem caused by the new landscaping and sprinkler system. The space outside Chads bedroom flooded, the weight of the water broke the window and ruined the basement. Russell's room also damaged. I feel so sorry for Chad. He decorated his new room quite well for a lad of his age. The damage happened when Ruby and Kevin were out. All Ruby did was cry and make the whole thing about her self. She hugged Chad, told him she was glad it hadn't happened during the night ( that would have been awful), but all the while staring at the camera not Chad. She really is a smug, self-centred selfish moo. 

[clueliss]

I saw that video.  I actually didn't think she was THAT bad in it.  And she's looking at the camera because, well, she's vlogging.  Unfortunately that is what they do.  

[llucie]

The way she cried and acted seemed such an over-reaction to me. I just find her so unsettling for some reason, its dificult to explain but she just dont seems believable, like she is faking her emotions. Hopefully its just because she is really awkward being on camera.

[Glasgowghirl]

12 hours ago, Gobsmacked said:

The basement flooded recently. Some problem caused by the new landscaping and sprinkler system. The space outside Chads bedroom flooded, the weight of the water broke the window and ruined the basement. Russell's room also damaged. I feel so sorry for Chad. He decorated his new room quite well for a lad of his age. The damage happened when Ruby and Kevin were out. All Ruby did was cry and make the whole thing about her self. She hugged Chad, told him she was glad it hadn't happened during the night ( that would have been awful), but all the while staring at the camera not Chad. She really is a smug, self-centred selfish moo. 

Ruby disgusts me, three weeks ago my aunt died in a fire and my cousin and his 9 year old son, who were out that night fishing were left homeless. A few puctures and other items from downstairs and the garden were saved. Ruby is probably upset for her house being flooded more than Chad and Russell having stuff ruined and she probably doesn't care about their feelings but is willing to film it for all it is worth. 

[can'tstopwatching]

The Dad Challenge made another video about them, this time focusing on the lawyer stunt Ruby and Kevin pulled to get everyone to shut up about their abuse. He says someone who was contacted by their lawyers told him it was some fancy expensive Hollywood firm who has represented many celebrities for serious things (he talks about it around 16:20 where the video should play from). Like he says, "It's not worth it for small-time youtubers to fight this". They sent those cease and desist letters out to scare people, even though there are fair use laws and those channels did nothing wrong. Ruby and Kevin are just rich bullies, they are willing to spend any amount of money to protect their cozy lifestyle and it absolutely disgusts me. People are also talking about what the Mormon church's role might have been in this, seeing as these Internet Mormons (as I like to call them) bring in a TON of income for the church through their tithing, maybe the church helped out with the lawyer costs to cover it all up. I don't know what I think about that, who knows.

And now they have successfully moved past the whole scandal and it's all blowing over and going back to normal which absolutely disgusts me. It's only a matter of time before they get their sponsors back. I want them off the internet.

 

[Glasgowghirl]

On 8/12/2020 at 7:03 PM, can'tstopwatching said:

The Dad Challenge made another video about them, this time focusing on the lawyer stunt Ruby and Kevin pulled to get everyone to shut up about their abuse. He says someone who was contacted by their lawyers told him it was some fancy expensive Hollywood firm who has represented many celebrities for serious things (he talks about it around 16:20 where the video should play from). Like he says, "It's not worth it for small-time youtubers to fight this". They sent those cease and desist letters out to scare people, even though there are fair use laws and those channels did nothing wrong. Ruby and Kevin are just rich bullies, they are willing to spend any amount of money to protect their cozy lifestyle and it absolutely disgusts me. People are also talking about what the Mormon church's role might have been in this, seeing as these Internet Mormons (as I like to call them) bring in a TON of income for the church through their tithing, maybe the church helped out with the lawyer costs to cover it all up. I don't know what I think about that, who knows.

And now they have successfully moved past the whole scandal and it's all blowing over and going back to normal which absolutely disgusts me. It's only a matter of time before they get their sponsors back. I want them off the internet.

 

Yes, glad he is keeping talking. In the colab he did with Sloan, Sloan couldn't talk about them because the threats he got from Ruby and Kevin. Josh from the Dad Challenge Podcast is in Canada and it would be harder for Ruby and Kevin to send him legal threats. Nothing any of the channels said is incorrect, it is all based on what was put online, they are getting scrutiny for good reason. 

[clueliss]

Over at 8Passengers, they let the kids have input into their schooling for this school year.  Shari is remaining in the private school she’s been attending because it is her senior year.  Chad is remaining in the public high school he went to last year.  The youngest four are being home schooled.  
 

the video in the spoiler is a curriculum unboxing for the home school kids.  Wanted to share because, well, look at the way the poor Rod kids are educated.

Spoiler

 

Video about the school decision 

Spoiler

 

Ruby May be a bit twisted, but they do educate their kids.

[clueliss]

And stumbled upon this from a day ago.  Kevin contracted covid from campus.  Shari, Ruby, Chad and Abby have all become ill.

 

[JermajestyDuggar]

8 hours ago, clueliss said:

And stumbled upon this from a day ago.  Kevin contracted covid from campus.  Shari, Ruby, Chad and Abby have all become ill.

 

That’s awful. Well at least she’s being honest. I think some bloggers would probably try to hide it.

[Glasgowghirl]

Hope all them get better soon. Ruby and Kevin may be horrible parent's but wouldn't wish that on a family. 

[indianabones]

I have mixed feelings about wilderness therapy programs. On one hand, there are some out there that are definitely abusive and have been or should be shut down with their staff members banned from working with children ever again. In my experience, predators love working at wildernesses and residential treatment programs because the kids there are branded as liars and their parents told not to believe a word they say about the programs they're in. And don't even get me started on the trauma of escorting (being taken from your room in the middle of the night and shoved in a van by people your parents paid to take you to a program.) There's also the fact that most of these programs are run by Mormons and the indoctrination is not exactly subtle.

On the other hand, I know lots of people who came out of their wildernesses having loved the experience, and being completely changed for the better. Anasazi was one of the better-liked ones I heard people talk about. I knew people who RAVED about their experiences years afterwards, so they can definitely be impactful in a positive way.

But it's hard for kids to leave and then go straight back into their family homes when a lot of the time, the parents are now the biggest problem (like Ruby is.) The child may have learned a lot about themselves, new healthy coping mechanisms, and how to communicate more effectively, but when you're thrown back into a house with parents who are exactly the same people they were before you were sent away it can be really rough.

[Pleiades_06]

On 9/24/2020 at 9:57 PM, clueliss said:

Over at 8Passengers, they let the kids have input into their schooling for this school year.  Shari is remaining in the private school she’s been attending because it is her senior year.  Chad is remaining in the public high school he went to last year.  The youngest four are being home schooled.  
 

the video in the spoiler is a curriculum unboxing for the home school kids.  Wanted to share because, well, look at the way the poor Rod kids are educated.

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Video about the school decision 

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Ruby May be a bit twisted, but they do educate their kids.

What curriculum are they using? Don’t feel like giving her a view...

[Aine]

@indianabones, I agree with everything you've said.

I think even the existence of most of these wilderness treatment programs is also a symptom of a huge gap in the care available for adolescents and children (and importantly, family units) who are struggling behaviorally, emotionally, and mentally. There are multiple government agencies and professionals who all share a little of the responsibility for helping this demographic (schools, child protection, criminal justice, mental health and other healthcare professionals etc.). In my time working with this age group myself, there is a lack of guidance on who's responsibility it is primarily to help and when adults (not just the immediate family- it could be teachers, therapists, extended family too) are justifiably concerned about the risk of harm the adolescents are putting themselves in, there is a lot of passing the buck and a lack of service coordination to intervene holistically.

CPS is usually overworked/underfunded and see adolescents as a 'lower risk' group when they are allocating their limited resources to the children they will intervene with because teens can 'get away' or 'protect themselves' better than a small child from abuse. But that running away and protecting themselves also can put them at more risk of harm or them engaging in harmful behaviors towards themselves or others. Then you have schools who are vital in keeping children safe, but truancy falls back on the parents (potentially more conflict), CPS, or the justice system. Then when law enforcement or the justice system becomes involved, for most jurisdictions the option is for law enforcement is often to completely stay out of the issue (e.g. driving the teen home and talking to the parents) and keep the kid out of the system or throw the book at a child who is often clearly struggling to cope with their life and potentially cause more damage because the juvenile justice system is still more punitive than rehabilitative in most parts of the country. As a mental health professional, I am often faced with limited time with the teen (1, sometimes 2, 1 hr sessions per week max) and with the parents (I usually schedule child/adolescent appointments for 1.5 hours to include time to work with the parents and often a big part of that is trying to convince them they need their own therapist because they need it).

There are some good evidence-based community programs and frameworks that could be implemented and have been set up, initiated, and evaluated for effectiveness in certain localities mostly outside the US but also some here, but for the most part the uptake doesn't happen on a wider scale because it's in the "too hard basket". I don't think there is ever significant community push for these programs either because parents also deal with shame around demanding better for their troubled teens, many in the community do see it as just 'I control my kid so you should control your kid', and the professionals involved are often constrained with how they communicate with anyone, including each other, because of confidentiality.

Until there are accessible and intensive community treatment options more widely available, there will be these 'boarding schools for troubled teens' or wilderness treatment centers that are predominantly faith-based and many will operate in a way that is not evidence-based at best or abusive and dangerous at worst. These programs exist because there are desperate parents who can't get the comprehensive help their family needs anywhere else because it often really isn't accessible to them.

 

[Glasgowghirl]

The therapy they used for Chad didn't have a great reputation, Chad didn't seem to annoyed about it, probably preferred it staying at home. Some of the pranks he pulled on Russell were kinda cruel but wilderness camp and taking his bedroom away was cruel. Ruby is far to controlling and Kevin lets her do what she wants both are shitty parents. I feel for Eve the most she is a young child and her mother seems to have it in for her. 

[Aine]

7 hours ago, Glasgowghirl said:

The therapy they used for Chad didn't have a great reputation, Chad didn't seem to annoyed about it, probably preferred it staying at home. Some of the pranks he pulled on Russell were kinda cruel but wilderness camp and taking his bedroom away was cruel. Ruby is far to controlling and Kevin lets her do what she wants both are shitty parents. I feel for Eve the most she is a young child and her mother seems to have it in for her. 

I agree with all of this. I'm no advocate for wilderness camps nor am I an advocate of taking away all privacy from a kid his age. By what was shared, and I think Ruby overshared about Chad as it is so I'm not sure she was minimizing and maybe even exaggerating his behaviors, I don't think he was having difficulties so severe that he had to be put at potential risk in a remote place (so far from possible witnesses to any untoward behavior from adults), with kids with maybe more severe issues, and away from his support network. Ruby always seems far too eager to attribute all the children's perceived 'issues' to a fault in that child rather than in the parenting she and her husband are doing. Most people who have multiple kids know that different kids usually need to be parented a little differently. I also don't think engaging in unhelpful parenting strategies for a kid (in most cases) makes anyone a 'bad' parent or means they love their child any less than someone who is parenting in a more mindful and responsive way or 'effective' way (I don't like the word 'effective' when it comes to parenting because that's so subjective, generally unhelpful, and suggests there is some sort of 'correct' way the child should 'be' and I don't think that's the case). It is normative for all children and teens to test boundaries in their own way and some do so more than others. Punitive parenting strategies definitely do work with some children, although I don't personally advocate for them with parents any child/teen that I work with. Overall, the research shows that punitive or harsh punishment, especially the kind where a child doesn't have specific guidance on how to earn trust and privileges again or the time frame and expectations to do so are unrealistic, promotes immediate compliance but not long-term positive behavioral change. The goal either becomes not being caught, secrecy, and lack of trust in the parent from the child, or the kid doing what you want to do regardless because they don't think they can ever meet the expectations when one misstep undoes any positive gains, their 'good' behavior isn't praised because it's just 'expected', and the ability to discuss potentially risky situations or desires could be punished in itself.

I was a fairly messed up teenager. I loved my school though and just everything school offered me, from academics, extracurricular activities, my friends, structure/routine, and my teachers and school staff. I was fortunate enough to do well in school and I think that got me a lot of positive attention when I was there, so it was able to balance out my chaotic home life. I also got away with a lot of misbehavior at school that I know others didn't, and I think that was because I was fortunate enough to do well in school and love it enough that teachers rarely got me in trouble when I stepped out of line. I now know that many of them knew more about my family life than I thought they knew at any time in my school years, and I was lucky enough that the teachers and staff took into account my personality when dealing with me- I was eager to please when it came to my schoolwork/athletics/extracurriculars/relationships, I completely shut down when faced with yelling, and most traditional punishment would have made me rebel more and irrationally mess up the opportunities I had and the things I was good at.

I feel for Eve the most too from the videos I've seen. Lately I've stayed away from watching them too often because I don't want to give Ruby views.

An example of my amazing school not just educating but also responding flexibly to who I was and one of the more minor examples of 'not the best' behavior: A teacher, who was definitely in her first year teaching full-time out of university, once made my entire class stay for 10 mins after the end of the day school bell because most of the class had been very disruptive for the whole period and only about 5 kids had done their homework, but I hadn't been disruptive, had done my homework, and I had netball training before our grand final so I wasn't having it. At first, I was polite and said, "Miss, I finished all my work 20 minutes before the end of class, I haven't been talking, I did my homework, and I have netball training in 10 minutes and I have to change into my sports uniform and have a snack before that." She said no and said to the entire class that it was everyone who hadn't done as they should that caused this. I stood up, packed my things, and walked out and she followed me down the hall yelling about how I'd have a Saturday morning detention, the biggest punishment besides suspension, if I kept ignoring her but I turned around and very calmly but in a raised voice said, "Go for it. I won't turn up to that either. I have things to do, and I did everything I was meant to so that I could be there for my team AND learn in your class. So try it. You're the one who will look like the idiot." She did try it. I didn't get the detention and the Principal and Year Coordinator called me in for a meeting the next day and I basically said the same to them as I did to her, but they knew me well by then, and essentially they said, "Look- the other students heard what you said so if anyone asks you, including Miss LastName, you did the Saturday detention in the Principal's office watching him do paperwork rather than with the others scheduled for Saturday in the hall. Please don't speak to a teacher like that in the future? You know how to be polite and respectful." My response was, "Make sure she doesn't act like an idiot again, punishing me for other people's crap, and keeping me from my responsibilities and it then I won't do it again." I'm sure the inside of their brain was a face palm emoji in retrospect but they just said, "Off you go. Remember, she's still learning too. So set an example, remember that she's a person who's trying her best too, and don't make her learning process more difficult either." I know for a fact that I would not have attended that Saturday detention and they couldn't have made me. I knew that part at the time but I didn't think forward to the only escalation being suspension and I'm 100% sure that I'd have straight up made everyone's life, especially my own, more chaotic and difficult if they tried to keep upping the punishment. I was much nicer to that teacher after that though, I was always fairly empathic outside of heightened moments of anger, and they played on that. Their decision to not punish me further gave me some space to think about how my actions affected that teacher and how overwhelmed she felt when my entire class were being awful, even causing me a headache. I felt a healthy amount of shame for my behavior that day, and do today as well, for making her life more difficult in what was likely a shitty day for her, she was at the end of her tether, and I made it worse.

I think back to my school days a lot when discussing discipline with parents as a therapist. You need to be consistent, as immediate as possible, a proportionate consequence to the behavior, and it needs to be something you're realistically willing and able to implement. For those reasons, it usually needs to be implemented somewhat dispassionately, when you're not being overly emotional about what just happened as well. That can be different with different kids, different parents, and different parent-child relationships. I don't think Ruby gets any of that at all because she sees her children as reflections of her rather than their own people.

 

[Marmion]

19 hours ago, Aine said:

An example of my amazing school not just educating but also responding flexibly to who I was and one of the more minor examples of 'not the best' behavior: A teacher, who was definitely in her first year teaching full-time out of university, once made my entire class stay for 10 mins after the end of the day school bell because most of the class had been very disruptive for the whole period and only about 5 kids had done their homework, but I hadn't been disruptive, had done my homework, and I had netball training before our grand final so I wasn't having it. At first, I was polite and said, "Miss, I finished all my work 20 minutes before the end of class, I haven't been talking, I did my homework, and I have netball training in 10 minutes and I have to change into my sports uniform and have a snack before that." She said no and said to the entire class that it was everyone who hadn't done as they should that caused this. I stood up, packed my things, and walked out and she followed me down the hall yelling about how I'd have a Saturday morning detention, the biggest punishment besides suspension, if I kept ignoring her but I turned around and very calmly but in a raised voice said, "Go for it. I won't turn up to that either. I have things to do, and I did everything I was meant to so that I could be there for my team AND learn in your class. So try it. You're the one who will look like the idiot." She did try it. I didn't get the detention and the Principal and Year Coordinator called me in for a meeting the next day and I basically said the same to them as I did to her, but they knew me well by then, and essentially they said, "Look- the other students heard what you said so if anyone asks you, including Miss LastName, you did the Saturday detention in the Principal's office watching him do paperwork rather than with the others scheduled for Saturday in the hall. Please don't speak to a teacher like that in the future? You know how to be polite and respectful." My response was, "Make sure she doesn't act like an idiot again, punishing me for other people's crap, and keeping me from my responsibilities and it then I won't do it again." I'm sure the inside of their brain was a face palm emoji in retrospect but they just said, "Off you go. Remember, she's still learning too. So set an example, remember that she's a person who's trying her best too, and don't make her learning process more difficult either." I know for a fact that I would not have attended that Saturday detention and they couldn't have made me. I knew that part at the time but I didn't think forward to the only escalation being suspension and I'm 100% sure that I'd have straight up made everyone's life, especially my own, more chaotic and difficult if they tried to keep upping the punishment. I was much nicer to that teacher after that though, I was always fairly empathic outside of heightened moments of anger, and they played on that. Their decision to not punish me further gave me some space to think about how my actions affected that teacher and how overwhelmed she felt when my entire class were being awful, even causing me a headache. I felt a healthy amount of shame for my behavior that day, and do today as well, for making her life more difficult in what was likely a shitty day for her, she was at the end of her tether, and I made it worse

If I were in your shoes , and were back then some sort of wunderkind , I would have done as this 11 year old Scottish girl had done .   {  https://www.insider.com/girl-teacher-war-crime-geneva-conventions-2017-5  ,  https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/editorial/2014/03/04/fair-in-the-classroom/6033887/  ,  https://www.theeducatoronline.com/k12/news/collective-punishment-fair-or-farce/264392  ,  https://guide-humanitarian-law.org/content/article/3/collective-punishment/  }    

 

Edited October 5, 2020 by Marmion
To add a video I just found

[can'tstopwatching]

On 9/25/2020 at 7:45 AM, JermajestyDuggar said:

That’s awful. Well at least she’s being honest. I think some bloggers would probably try to hide it.

It was weeks ago so she’s hidden it until now. Also Shari put out a video on her channel telling everyone that the “virus is gonna do what it’s gonna do” and you can’t do anything to prevent it, which is sickening for her to be telling her audience. The timeline is hard to pin down but it seemed like they were not keeping the entire family home even though they were all exposed to the sick members of the family. We’ll see as they start to reveal more. So far Ruby and Shari are using the experience as a way to blow off the severity of the virus.

On 10/3/2020 at 6:43 AM, Pleiades_06 said:

What curriculum are they using? Don’t feel like giving her a view...

A combination of a lot of things, the only one off the top of my head I can think of that was an actual curriculum is the good and the beautiful. But when Ruby shared all her materials it was largely books she read as a child, which therefore somehow give them authority to make up her children’s entire education... she’s going for a very specific old fashioned aesthetic with it all where she values things like cursive and reading what she used to read over actually learning anything.

[clueliss]

Ruby may have blown it off before - but the latest video about the family getting covid she whines about being really sick then fine then really sick then... you get the idea. 

They also apparently got Chad tested because if he was positive he only had to isolate 10 days.  Not 14.  Per their local health department (insert eye-roll here).  At that time he was negative but was later positive (I think).  Chad was grumpy because with each new sick family member the quarantine days due to exposure starts all over.  His football season (because you know the important things in this world) was getting away from him.  It looked like there was potential for some of them to need to quarantine for 3+ weeks.  (Ruby got it on 'day 7' or so).

Also - I saw the Shari video on her channel - where Chad would have had to quarantine even without his family getting it because he was exposed to someone on the football team.  The hint that something was amiss was on the home school classroom tour video where Shari wrote - Dad has Covid and probably I do too - on the dry erase board.

[FilleMondaine]

Wow. Her abuse over the summer--favorites, setting the other kids to bully the scapegoat, withholding supplies. What an awful, terrible family. I hope that the children read here one day, and feel validated. That sort of mind-f---ery hurts children for ever and ever. Shame on her. And I wish so many genuine hugs and love to the children.

[clueliss]

On 10/3/2020 at 5:43 AM, Pleiades_06 said:

What curriculum are they using? Don’t feel like giving her a view...

Sorry for the delay.  
 

they are using Math You See fir their math curriculum.  Kevin apparently dig into a lot of math programs and preferred that (because engineer so he’s allegedly picky about math)

They using The Good and the Beautiful for literature and some science.  They also have legos sets for Eve and Russel that are designed to teach coding (not regular sets).  
 

Julie and Abby have taken some online language classes, specifically they are taking Greek.  
 

and Abby is actually enrolled in an online program of the same private school Shari is going to in person.  
 

also unlike the Alyssa Webster stick you’re kids in front of a screen and show them a video method, Ruby goes over lessons with the,  the Math You See curriculum has videos, but Ruby watches with each kid.  So she is more involved than we’ve seen some fundie mothers (ahem, JRod and the workbook pages anyone?)