Coronavirus 3

[JMarie]

Two of my high school classmates died from COVID last week.

[CTRLZero]

10 minutes ago, JMarie said:

Two of my high school classmates died from COVID last week.

This is so sad.  The way things are going, it's likely that we will all know someone who becomes ill or dies from this virus.  It really pains me that people are not taking this seriously (i.e., Memorial Day crowds). 

[Ozlsn]

6 hours ago, clueliss said:

ST Louis issues travel advisory/self quarantine order for people who went to the lake of the ozarks

 

And Camden County Sheriff says not my problem to enforce, that’s public health regarding the issue at the lake, 

 

How is that not part of the Sheriff's job? Seriously, some people. Dude if it's law, then yeah it is your job.

5 hours ago, GreyhoundFan said:

@clueliss  -- I don't know if you listen to All Things Considered on NPR. Today, they featured an interview with the Osage Beach, MO mayor about the crowds at Lake of the Ozarks. It's a good listen. The mayor was spouting typical repug crap. The interviewer, at about the three minute mark, tosses a grenade. He asked, (paraphrased) So you don't care about the crowds because they're just tourists and if they get sick and take the sickness back to their communities, it doesn't matter to you, right? The mayor got ticked off, but continued spouting nonsense.

Here's a link to the interview.

They need to turn it back on him as well. So if tourists bring this into your community, how many ICU beds do you have available? How many locals are you willing to sacrifice?

[clueliss]

Camden County doesn't have that many ICU beds.  They'd wind up in Jefferson City, Springfield or Columbia at the University of Missouri Hospital.

Edited May 26, 2020 by clueliss

[klein_roeschen]

The prime minister of my state want's to lift any, yes any, restrictions by friday next week. No more masks in public, no distance between people in public, opening everything up again. I voted for that man, he did a lot of good in the past, but here I think he is crazy and I'm afraid. I'm an essentiell worker and I meet so many people during my work day. I'm afraid that the next Covid19 test I had to take says I'm positive and I don't know if I infected other people. And my county has the second highest infection rate because one caretaker at a nursing home was infected and infected the old people living there.
https://www.dw.com/en/thuringia-germanys-coronavirus-guinea-pigs/a-53559295

And the german "newspaper" Bild, our version of the Daily Mirror is on the warpath against the leading german virologist Dr. Christian Drosten from the Charite Berlin. They newest move was to send him a mail to request a comment on his newest study about Covid19 and children. In their mail they cited other researchers and took a small snippet out of their statements to that study and expected a complex comment in less than an hour. Dr. Drosten tweeted the mail, Bild was not amused. But fuck them, they are now owned by an american investor KKR which is Trump friendly. So again, fuck them

On a personal note, my Covid19 test last week was negative, I had the results per SMS in less than 24 hours. My brother was also negative.

[clueliss]

Kansas is also urging self-quarantine for people who went to the Lake of Ozarks and didn't self distance.

 

Meanwhile in North Carolina we have race fans packed in a stadium

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[smittykins]

11 hours ago, clueliss said:

Camden County doesn't have that many ICU beds.  They'd wind up in Jefferson City, Springfield or Columbia at the University of Missouri Hospital.

My county has no hospitals, period(one closed around 1987 and the other around 1991).  Serious cases would  probably have to go to Rochester or Syracuse.

[Ozlsn]

12 hours ago, clueliss said:

Camden County doesn't have that many ICU beds.  They'd wind up in Jefferson City, Springfield or Columbia at the University of Missouri Hospital.

Neither do the areas with beaches here. The mayors basically said "stay home, we cannot cope in our hospital system here if you get sick, or if locals get sick. We will welcome you back with open arms once it is safer."

[clueliss]

Well - that's comforting (read that in sarcasm font) - especially considering the age of the dolts who were down at the Lake of the Ozarks last weekend.

 

[Ozlsn]

Australia had 11 new cases overnight and a worrying death in a rural town which had no previous recorded cases. This has led to a fever clinic being set up as they try and work out how the 30 year old caught the virus, and whether there is more community transmission happening. I know that it pales in comparison to the headline news this morning, that the US has officially passed 100,000 deaths, but it does indicate potential ongoing problems.

Australia and NZ are still negotiating a travel bubble, which will depend a bit on how testing and case numbers progress. Hoping that we can get Fiji, Vanuatu and other Polynesian countries in too, as that would benefit everyone.

[GreyhoundFan]

I'm not a beer drinker, but more power to her:

 

[Seahorse Wrangler]

41 cases of Covid in Quebec schools since re-opening.

 

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No less than 41 cases of coronavirus infections have been reported in public schools in 11 regions of Quebec since the schools reopened, Le Devoir learned. According to "partial information" available to the Ministry of Education and Higher Education (MEES), 19 students and 22 staff members had a positive diagnosis of COVID-19 infection between May 11 and May 26, 2020. The ministry identified cases by region. The regions of origin are Lanaudière, Mauricie, Center-du-Québec, Outaouais, Montérégie, Bas-Saint-Laurent, Laurentides, Laval, Montréal, Capitale-Nationale and Saguenay - Lac-

 

[JMarie]

Sean Hannity is now pro-mask

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/tunedin/sean-hannity-begs-people-to-wear-masks-as-president-trump-mocks-reporters-who-do/vi-BB14GDDS?ocid=spartanntp

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Despite health officials saying that wearing a mask is a matter of safety, President Trump continues to frame it as a political statement. He refuses to wear one in public, and Tuesday mocked a reporter for choosing to keep his mask on, saying “you want to be politically correct.” But even Fox News' own Sean Hannity is at this point begging people to don masks in public. As late as March, Hannity called the coronavirus pandemic a “hoax” targeted at Trump’s reelection bid.

Mitch McConnell says masks are okay

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/theres-no-stigma-attached-to-wearing-a-mask-mcconnell-makes-plea-in-favor-of-face-masks/ar-BB14Gwli?ocid=spartanntp

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“There’s no stigma attached to wearing a mask. There’s no stigma attached to staying six feet apart,” the Kentucky Republican said at an event back in his home state, referencing social distancing guidelines recommended to stem the transmission of the coronavirus.

But Trump still thinks they're stupid

https://news.yahoo.com/ivanka-trump-wears-facemask-delayed-192200056.html

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Ivanka Trump wore a facemask to the Nasa launch on Thursday a day after her father, Donald Trump, mocked the practice as being "politically correct".

Ms Trump and her children wore the patterned masks, matching to their outfits, as they arrived at the Kennedy Space Centre in Florida for the historic launch of two US astronauts to the International Space Station. Bad weather delayed the actual launch until Saturday.

Husband, Jared Kushner, went without a mask, as did the president, who arrived separately.

Note how most of the people surrounding Ivanka and family are unmasked, including Jr (to Jared's left) and Stephanie Grisham (?) (to Ivanka's right).

[JMarie]

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/05/28/wisconsin-reports-record-number-of-new-coronavirus-cases-deaths/24458800/

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Wisconsin saw a record number of new coronavirus cases and deaths reported in a single day on Wednesday, two weeks after the state’s Supreme Court struck down its statewide stay-at-home order.

The state reported 599 new known COVID-19 cases on Wednesday with 22 known deaths, according to Wisconsin’s Department of Health Services, the highest recorded daily rise since the pandemic began there. As of Wednesday, the state had more than 16,460 known cases and 539 known deaths, according to the department.

 

[Smash!]

And the german "newspaper" Bild, our version of the Daily Mirror is on the warpath against the leading german virologist Dr. Christian Drosten from the Charite Berlin. They newest move was to send him a mail to request a comment on his newest study about Covid19 and children. In their mail they cited other researchers and took a small snippet out of their statements to that study and expected a complex comment in less than an hour. Dr. Drosten tweeted the mail, Bild was not amused. But fuck them, they are now owned by an american investor KKR which is Trump friendly. So again, fuck them
On a personal note, my Covid19 test last week was negative, I had the results per SMS in less than 24 hours. My brother was also negative.

This reopening strategy is crazy! Stay well [mention]klein_roeschen [/mention] and big hugs to you!
I don‘t get the criticism towards Christian Drosten (he‘s kind of the German equivalent to Peter Hotez in the US). He‘s been doing research on corona viruses for years and developed the first diagnostic test for SARS. I love his podcast and it‘s one of my main resources for information during this pandemic.

It‘s not better here in Switzerland. Altough we’re down to 20 cases per day I‘m very anxious. The federal council decided yesterday to lift most restrictions by June 8 and will also open the borders to the neighboring countries. What scares me is that people already act as if the pandemic was over. No one on the streets keeps their distance let alone in the grocery store. I’m very afraid of a second wave.

[Audrey2]

I went to the grocery two days ago, deciding to use an online value for 80/20 ground beef for 2.77/lb. I was horrified to see that same 4.59 lb package selling for 6.99/lb. Without a card (first discount), the package was marked $32.00.

[klein_roeschen]

3 hours ago, Smash! said:

This reopening strategy is crazy! Stay well [mention]klein_roeschen [/mention] and big hugs to you!
I don‘t get the criticism towards Christian Drosten (he‘s kind of the German equivalent to Peter Hotez in the US). He‘s been doing research on corona viruses for years and developed the first diagnostic test for SARS. I love his podcast and it‘s one of my main resources for information during this pandemic.

It‘s not better here in Switzerland. Altough we’re down to 20 cases per day I‘m very anxious. The federal council decided yesterday to lift most restrictions by June 8 and will also open the borders to the neighboring countries. What scares me is that people already act as if the pandemic was over. No one on the streets keeps their distance let alone in the grocery store. I’m very afraid of a second wave.

The opening strategy is now off the table, after all the flak he caught and he never meant what he said, he was misunderstud. Yeah, sure Bodo.

I love Dr. Drostens podcast too. But as a scientist he doesn't has the easy one sentence answers many people want to hear. And as the main face of Covid research, he is an easy target. But the Bild "newspaper" is also a disgusting, populist piece of filth without any journalistic integrety or ethics. Or how someone once told: You insult the death fish if you pack him in that newspaper.

[CTRLZero]

2 hours ago, Audrey2 said:

I went to the grocery two days ago, deciding to use an online value for 80/20 ground beef for 2.77/lb. I was horrified to see that same 4.59 lb package selling for 6.99/lb. Without a card (first discount), the package was marked $32.00.

If I'd known there was a long-term pandemic headed our way, I would have stocked up a whole lot better.  It's going to be interesting to see how prices and availability fluctuate as this drags on.  In the meantime, I am buying all non-perishables on-line, and it's pretty rare I go into a grocery store.  I found a small store that has produce and dairy right by the entrance/exit, so that's my go-to store now, even though it's more expensive.  With our travel and social life curtailed, I don't really have anything else to spend money on, so that balances things financially.

[JMarie]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/us-hospitals-slash-use-of-drug-championed-by-trump-as-coronavirus-treatment/ar-BB14KUix?ocid=spartanntp

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. hospitals said they have pulled way back on the use of hydroxychloroquine, the malaria drug touted by President Donald Trump as a COVID-19 treatment, after several studies suggested it is not effective and may pose significant risks.

Early hopes for the decades-old drug were based in part on laboratory experiments and its anti-inflammatory and antiviral properties. But its efficacy has so far failed to pan out in human trials, and at least two studies suggest it may increase the risk of death.

Several hospitals that two months ago told Reuters they were using hydroxychloroquine frequently for patients with COVID-19 have cut back.

Orders for the drug have dropped to a tenth of the late-March peak, to about 125,000 pills last week, said Vizient Inc, a drug buyer for about half of U.S. hospitals.

The significant decrease in use is a sign that U.S. physicians no longer believe the drug's potential benefit outweighs the risks. Some European governments this week banned hydroxychloroquine use for COVID-19 patients.

Dr. Thomas McGinn, deputy physician in chief at Northwell Health, New York's largest healthcare system, told Reuters it decided to stop prescribing hydroxychloroquine at its 23 hospitals in mid-April, after clinical data began to emerge.

"People were in our hospitals, they were dying, and we wanted to do something," he recalled. "But the minute the data came out ... showing no benefit and potential harm, I think we all needed to step back," he said.

British medical journal The Lancet last week published an analysis of 96,000 COVID-19 patients showing those treated with hydroxychloroquine or the related chloroquine had higher risk of death and heart rhythm problems.

The observational study does not have the rigor of a randomized, placebo-controlled trial, but its size made it influential.

Seattle's University of Washington hospital system has also stopped recommending hydroxychloroquine as a coronavirus standard of care, noting in its latest treatment guidelines that "recent clinical studies have not demonstrated virologic or clinical benefits."

Trump has been a particularly strong supporter of hydroxychloroquine, calling it a "game changer" early on. He later said he was taking the drug to prevent infection despite no scientific evidence it could do so, after people who worked at the White House tested positive for COVID-19. He has also urged others to try the medicine.

Proponents of the drug as a COVID-19 treatment argue it may need to be administered at an earlier stage in the disease to be effective. Doctors are waiting for studies that might prove that.

Results could be released as early as this week for two of the University of Minnesota's three hydroxychloroquine trials, according to Dr. Radha Rajasingham, lead researcher for one of the studies.

"Everyone's idea of the safety of this drug kind of changed overnight," Rajasingham said, referring to an April 24 U.S. Food and Drug Administration warning of increased risk of heart rhythm problems. "We have really had trouble enrolling" patients in the trials, she added.

Other studies comparing the drug to a placebo are expected later.

"We are still waiting for randomized, controlled data, but there is much less enthusiasm now for hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and some of the other treatments that people have been touting," said Dr. Timothy Brewer, an infectious disease specialist at the University of California, Los Angeles, which now recommends the drug's use only in clinical trials.

"There is enough observational data to suggest that they have no benefit, or a small benefit, and there are some risks."

 

[GreyhoundFan]

Lovely. Just lovely...

 

[Ozlsn]

3 hours ago, GreyhoundFan said:

Lovely. Just lovely...

 

Oh what a surprise. So... new cluster anyone?

[clueliss]

Oh great, that’s where I live (reading up).   This is why I’m masking at the store.  And I’m seeing declining public mask wearing.  And Walmart, those one way aisles are a joke with lots of folks ignoring them.  
 

Boone County has has an increase in cases, but we’re also a location for free, no doctor’s order testing so I suspect we’re just catching stuff that’s been out there.  They had a case announced yesterday from a child at a daycare.  It just so happens the same daycare center owner was involved in suing the city/county for overstepping the stay at home order (lawsuit was thrown out by the judge)

[Dandruff]

3 hours ago, clueliss said:

Oh great, that’s where I live (reading up).   This is why I’m masking at the store.  And I’m seeing declining public mask wearing.  And Walmart, those one way aisles are a joke with lots of folks ignoring them.

The one way aisles are pretty useless since most people are keeping their heads up for better reasons.  But it's well-intended.  I've seen it in several stores.

I'm still wearing a mask outside my own front door 100% of the time.  A lot of people, both in and outside my building, aren't wearing masks.  Why TF isn't this mandatory!!!!  I've noticed that practically every shopper in my area is wearing a face covering inside stores, though.

Just heard an ambulance go by.  This still happens a few times a day.

Went shopping last week.  Three local stores (one trip), including two I hadn't been to since March.  In the first store not all employees were wearing masks.  Not going back there anytime soon.  Other two stores were fine.  Same exhausting procedure of sanitizing everything afterwards, including my clothing (separate bag, then laundry), shoes (separate bag, with Lysol) and myself (a shower).  But the stuff I bought should last at least 2-3 weeks and it's good to be stocked up again.  I had been out of fresh fruit and nearly out of fresh vegetables.  Have some frozen veg but I want to keep it there, if I can, as potential bigger emergency can't-go-out-at-all food.

Another ambulance.

[Ozlsn]

5 hours ago, clueliss said:

They had a case announced yesterday from a child at a daycare.  It just so happens the same daycare center owner was involved in suing the city/county for overstepping the stay at home order (lawsuit was thrown out by the judge)

Part of me hopes the parents sue the daycare centre owner for inadequate precautions.

[Smee]

There have been no new cases in my region for 3 weeks now, there are still ~20 cases a day being reported in Aus but some states and cities are effectively covid-free. Schools are back, shops and restaurants are open with limited numbers of customers at a time, community sport is set to start in the next few weeks.

It’s weird. I feel so disconnected from the world, like what I see and read in the news could just as easily be a novel or something, because I step out my front door and it’s just... calm. Then I look back at what’s going on in the US and have to remind myself that not only are #blacklivesmatter protestors at risk of injuries in the immediate fray, covid could be spreading wildly amongst them. That there are still hospitals all over the world with overwhelmed staff calling death after death, ventilating patient after patient. Australia can feel so remote sometimes.