Josh, Anna, M'Kids 22: Sex Pest and Fam in the Windowless Warehouse

[viii]

I think you are giving Jim Bob and Michelle FAR too much credit regarding wealth and connections, lol. 

[kmachete14]

Let's say all the financial accounts, credit cards, house, car, etc. is only in Josh's name (not unheard of for fundies, read Lori's blog comments yuck). She might not even have a real GED (just her homeschool "graduation"). Wouldn't she have to prove she could pay for childcare for the kids, get a job, pay rent, afford healthcare, etc? Or would Josh's supposed child support cover that? 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

21 minutes ago, kmachete14 said:

Let's say all the financial accounts, credit cards, house, car, etc. is only in Josh's name (not unheard of for fundies, read Lori's blog comments yuck). She might not even have a real GED (just her homeschool "graduation"). Wouldn't she have to prove she could pay for childcare for the kids, get a job, pay rent, afford healthcare, etc? Or would Josh's supposed child support cover that? 

They're married - it doesn't matter if it's in her name or his the court would divide assets fairly in the case of this hypothetical divorce.  They would also look at the best interest of the kids as far as placement and assign child support based on a formula of number of kids, parental income, and any mitigating factors.  

[Palimpsest]

21 hours ago, kmachete14 said:

In terms of the cheating, he never admitted to actually having an affair, just making the accounts and chatting.

Sorry but this is wrong.  I dug up his original statement for you where he admits to being unfaithful publicly:  https://ew.com/article/2015/08/20/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-statement-infidelity/

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Statement from Josh Duggar:

I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the internet and this became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife.

I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living and am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family, and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him.

I brought hurt and a reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions that happened when I was 14-15 years old, and now I have re-broken their trust.

The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country, I was hiding my own personal failings. 

As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose to our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deeply regret all hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example.

I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time.

UPDATE: The statement on the Duggar family website no longer contains his admission to porn addiction. Above is the original statement as first released. You can see the changes made in the below tweet

He may have privately told her a lot of bull and woffled and dodged by claiming to "only having an account on Ashley Madison" after the fact, but that is a pretty clear admission of infidelity straight out of the gate.  He cheated.  And then he tried to hide his porn habit.  To say nothing of all the people who said they saw his sorry behind in strip clubs in AR shortly after he was married and well before they moved to DC.  The signs of a porn addiction (as opposed to just viewing porn, an that is quite common) is when it gets to obsessive, risky and self-destructive levels.  Joshua's behaviors fit that profile, as he risked both his marriage and his job.  He only lost his job.

17 minutes ago, Sabine said:

Nah, really it does not, was quite common. A

You be surprised what money and influence can buy. Also Michelle was mother of the year, they have political support (Boob was a local politician right?) , they are pro life, live in a big house with lots of helpmeets and unpaid baby sitters, etc etc etc, and could potentially take better (in terms of housing, feeding, supervision) care of the children then the women could with three jobs to make ends meet. And yes, men do get custody if they can make the argument that they are better set up to take care financially. 

Michelle nor Boob give a flying fudge about what any of their children want/wanted. These grand kids are Duggars and as such as much property of Michelle and Boob as Josh was and still is.  Can you imagine one of the little girls getting married in 10 odd years? -  The Duggars, third generation, still counting. 

I still think that it would be a formidable task for any of these home schooled, married of young, mothers of several should they want to leave their husbands and fight against their in laws for what legally should/would be theirs. 

I think you vastly over-estimate the amount of power that JB and Michelle can muster, even in Arkansas.  Michelle got her Mother of the Year Award from Vision Forum Ministries (and that imploded over a sex scandal too!), not from the White House or Governor of Arkansas, well before the scandal broke.   

As for Jim Bob's political career, he was a mere State Rep. for 3 years, tried to run for US Senate and lost by a landslide, and tried to run for state senate again in 2006.  And lost.  Since then, scandal aside, he's pissed off a lot of his old political pals and they probably think of him as a liability when he endorses them. 

I think it is very difficult for a lot of Fundie wives who try to leave, but possibly less difficult for the famous (or infamous) Duggars.  They could fund-raise with a tell all book or even threaten a tell-all to get their rights to the children.

Anna could probably have got sole custody, and pretty good child support and alimony, had she tried for a divorce.   Josh is a self confessed sexual offender.  She could have rattled a few Duggar skeletons in the prayer closet.  However, I think she stayed with Josh because of her religious faith.  As she said herself, she meant her marriage vows, even if he broke them.

[AussieKrissy]

8 hours ago, viii said:

This reads like a book, lol. The Duggars are not that rich, powerful or connected that they would be able to take Anna's children and leave her with zero rights. It's 2020, women are capable of working even if they don't have secondary education. Anna could find ways to support her children, so a judge isn't going to decree her an unfit parent because she has limited earning options. The very fact that you call her 'nothing more than a helpmeet' is more likely to give her custody than have her lose it, because she is the primary care-giver and those children are attached to her. 

Combine that with Josh's history and the Duggar scandals, I think you'd be hard pressed to find any judge to rule in Josh's favour for sole custody. 

Not to mention, I think Josh would shit his pants at the very idea of it. Lord knows he didn't want half of those children to begin with, let alone being legally responsible for raising them on his own. 

Agreed he may not have wanted them but he will palm them off to whatever sistermom is still at home or make Kenzie and Meredith. I do not for one minute it would cross his mind, that he may have to brush and do hair, make food, clean and do laundry. He would just get a new "Anna" highly likely Kenzie.

[mstee]

Do we know for sure that they are living in that warehouse? I don’t understand why they would leave that nice house they had and move into a cramped warehouse. I would think that JB and Michelle would want their grandkids to live in a regular house, especially since they have provided many of their other kids with normal homes. 

[Bobology]

If they are in the warehouse, is it possible they are building a house on the compound, with everyone pitching in? I can see JB promoting that as convenient for Josh's family plus he could keep tighter control over said family. JB would have to be fronting the money, obviously.

[SassyPants]

3 hours ago, mstee said:

Do we know for sure that they are living in that warehouse? I don’t understand why they would leave that nice house they had and move into a cramped warehouse. I would think that JB and Michelle would want their grandkids to live in a regular house, especially since they have provided many of their other kids with normal homes. 

I can’t imagine they are living in the warehouse. Wasn’t that only a single room?

[grandmadugger]

I know people that live within a couple of miles of the Duggars. They are not well liked in the area, at least JB. We don’t gossip much about the Duggars because I feel like a weirdo bringing them up. So no they aren’t well connected and well liked enough to get their way. Remember we found out about Josh because someone in the area dropped a dime to US Weekly because of Michelle’s robocall. 

[Bobology]

17 hours ago, grandmadugger said:

We don’t gossip much about the Duggars because I feel like a weirdo bringing them up.

You would be a weirdo bringing them up, heh-heh. I feel the same way and don't bring them up in casual conversation either, not even with the friends who shared two of the Duggar books with me. I'm content to keep my weird-ass Duggar cult-type interests right here on FJ.

[grandmadugger]

6 hours ago, Bobology said:

You would be a weirdo bringing them up, heh-heh. I feel the same way and don't bring them up in casual conversation either, not even with the friends who shared two of the Duggar books with me. I'm content to keep my weird-ass Duggar cult-type interests right here on FJ.

Yeah I keep my fundie stalking to FJ even though sometimes I just want to go “So is Josh really creepy in person?” ?

[lizzybee]

I've met him in person, days before Jessa's wedding when he was doing the FRC election rounds (this was nearing the end of my hardcore fundie phase). He wasn't creepy, per se, but he was very friendly? (like very open and familiar) and he was a larger-framed person than cameras indicated. What I mean by that is that he's taller and sort of a bigger person - and I'm not talking about weight. He was obviously to me someone who cameras don't do favors. Weirdly my father is the same way, he's not overweight and yet invariably when you take a photo of him, he somehow looks 20 pounds heavier. 

Random factoid for that day, Josh was also wearing a sports coat with cowboy boots. 

I've mentioned this probably a thousand times now on FJ, but Jana was tiny in person. Anna was a pretty average sized woman, so now I always use her in photos to gauge the size of the people she's with. We spoke JD too, who thanked us for coming and shook my husband's hand. None of the other siblings put themselves forward for attention/pictures but Josh and Anna. JD stood behind leaning against their RV and the younger boys that set everything up sort of disappeared once they did. Jana had found some friends she enthusiastically greeted and stayed with them. As far as I could tell, either the M kids weren't with them at all or they were in the RV with someone else. That was at the height of all the CinderJana press and so it stood out to me that she was out campaigning with her siblings instead of home helping with Jessa's wedding or busy with any kids. 

Fun fact: not long after that meet and greet was when I started to come to senses and I ended up voting against all of the candidates Josh was pushing. 

[QuiverFullofBooks]

I met him in person at one of the girls’ book signings. I agree that he’s not photogenic, and better looking in person. He seemed friendly rather than creepy, but I’m quite a bit older than he is. Anna seemed a little tense, and I totally understand that now. Everyone was signing the book (even though officially only the older girls wrote it), and they signed their names together with a heart between them. 

[Flyinthesoup]

On 3/12/2020 at 12:11 AM, Sabine said:

So yeah, on paper she might have all the rights of an American, but in real life the question stands, does she have her own bank account? does she have property - any, including jewelry, or anything else of value in her own name? Or is she fully and totally depended on the Duggar Family for housing and even her three meals a day. Because if she is, and i suspect all the daughter in laws are, then i suggest that she might have a good chance to not be given the children in case of a divorce - if she is the one initiating it. 

Also, i am old enough to remember women getting divorced in the early 70's where that shit with no bank account and all belongings in the husbands name often led to total destitution of the women and her children in the case of divorce. 

To the bolded.  We know back in Nov. in the Homeland Security thread, I quoted @Xan on this page, where JB set up some corporations, one of which was in Anna's name, not in Josh's name.  They obviously trust her over their own son.  I suspect they are protecting her and the grandchildren.  They know she has the upper hand, legally, should she choose to divorce him. Let's not forget,FJ has a lot of great information on it that can be explored/searched and verified, should legal authorities need to do that.  

[AliceInFundyland]

I think putting one corporation in Anna's name isn't necessarily indicative of anything more than JB being shady and knowing that he needs to diversify his various assets amonst the kidults.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that he's protective of her and the grands. Or that they trust her over Josh. The latter would indicate that she's somehow got more authority and that's completely contrary to everything Gothard.

If I were JB/M I would be keeping my umbrella of protection over both Josh and Anna. Both of them need to be kept in check.

[Pecansforeveryone]

I I agree with @AliceInFundyland, this is just more of JBs shady financial shenanigans, which I think are never ending. 

[snickerz]

On 3/12/2020 at 9:28 AM, Palimpsest said:

Michelle got her Mother of the Year Award from Vision Forum Ministries (and that imploded over a sex scandal too!), not from the White House or Governor of Arkansas, well before the scandal broke.   

Well, actually she was awarded the 2004 Arkansas Young Mother of the Year Award from then governor Mike Huckabee.

[Pecansforeveryone]

True but that was pre-Joshgate and Mike Huckabee no longer holds political office. He's merely the most interesting commentator on TBN. 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

5 hours ago, snickerz said:

Well, actually she was awarded the 2004 Arkansas Young Mother of the Year Award from then governor Mike Huckabee.

Young?  She was 37!  I’m not saying that’s old, but it’s hardly a young mother.

the only thing young about her is her baby voice and that she’s dressed like a toddler from 1925.  Both deliberate affectations.

[dripcurl]

Quantity of children ≠ Quality of parenting

[Pleiades_06]

4 hours ago, Pecansforeveryone said:

True but that was pre-Joshgate and Mike Huckabee no longer holds political office. He's merely the most interesting commentator on TBN. 

It was pre-Joshgate but post molestation. 

[DarkAnts]

Things are getting juicy with the lawsuits against Josh Duggar's company ALB investments. The lawyer was removed from the case after the court found out that he was on the board. The company paperwork with the state listed him as being on the board from 2015 to 2018. The company amended the filings with the state to say he was not on the board after the company was sued. This is not going to end well. 
 

https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/knwa/duggar-attorney-disqualified-in-real-estate-lawsuit/?fbclid=IwAR0MnmqACWgNg2hSRT9ZACBoa0ffPlW4rAafVFERvCLzTj99oc3-CVEXc_0

[JenniferJuniper]

39 minutes ago, DarkAnts said:

Things are getting juicy with the lawsuits against Josh Duggar's company ALB investments. The lawyer was removed from the case after the court found out that he was on the board. The company paperwork with the state listed him as being on the board from 2015 to 2018. The company amended the filings with the state to say he was not on the board after the company was sued. This is not going to end well. 

The sleaze.  It never stops oozing. 

[Snarkasarus Rex]

I just don’t understand why the Duggars didn’t offer to void the sale? Surely that would have been a lot more economical, and they should have known something was hinky due to the price and questionable title.  However, I could them doubling down because it was so cheap and they felt entitled to it because the sale went through.
 

Boob and Pest really are morons, and so is Travis Story.

 

 

[DarkAnts]

22 minutes ago, Snarkasarus Rex said:

I just don’t understand why the Duggars didn’t offer to void the sale? Surely that would have been a lot more economical, and they should have known something was hinky due to the price and questionable title.  However, I could them doubling down because it was so cheap and they felt entitled to it because the sale went through.
 

Boob and Pest really are morons, and so is Travis Story.

 

 

They probably expected the person suing them would run out of money and drop the case before things went to trial. 

Now the state has lots of evidence to go after them too.