Lori Alexander 75: Lori Imagines the Evils Caused by Contraception

[Hane]

@klein_roeschen, I see your point. My brothers-in-law earn less than my sisters, but they’re the kind of men who work hard and carry their weight around the house and with their kids. I was referring to the kind of guy who’s content to do the bare minimum and let his wife shoulder most of the responsibilities.

[Sarah92]

I see the bare minimum happen a lot. I’ve had a coworker be guilted for working more because her husband, who had a more flexible schedule, didn’t know how to take kids to doctors appointments. How hard is it to take a child for a check up? And why hasn’t he learned before? So not only did she work but she had to manage everything else too. This is why I hesitate to want to get married. It just seems so risky. 

[klein_roeschen]

11 hours ago, Hane said:

@klein_roeschen, I see your point. My brothers-in-law earn less than my sisters, but they’re the kind of men who work hard and carry their weight around the house and with their kids. I was referring to the kind of guy who’s content to do the bare minimum and let his wife shoulder most of the responsibilities.

I think we see it the same. And congrats on your sisters and their decent husbands. They are the type of guy I could see myself giving up my blissfull spinsterhood.

I live with my brother, which is more than being roommates, but less than a marriage, I know. I make more than him with less working hours, because I have more and a better education. He has a learning disability and always hated school, while I loved learning and are way more ambitious than him. He works a manial job at a warehouse, packing orders for online shops. I have 2 professional degrees, work in a pharmacy and can see myself getting a third or do some other thing to further me professionally in the next years. But we don't resent each other for this, because both of us brings home a paycheck and we divide the responsibilities and don't expect the other to care for them like a parent.

@Sarah92 maybe some Duggar style questionaire would be helpfull?
Your wife's hard work and ambitions are paying off, she got a promotion offered. If she takes it, she earn more and work more hours than you.
How would you feel in that situation?
Would you take a back step to support her and her ambitions?
How would you divide up household chores and home responsibilities?
If you and her have children, whom do you see more responsible for their care?
With conflicting schedules, are you ok in taking time of for appointments and sick leave if a child is sick or are you expecting it your wife's full responsibility?

[HoneyBunny]

Oh good grief.  Now the Queen of Anecdotal Evidence and No Sense is on her “sunscreen is awful” sermon. And did you know that because God placed Adam and Eve outside in a garden, we are not meant to send our time indoors or in cities?  When I imagine Fox News viewers, she is exactly what I picture. Dumb, gullible, and 100% certain she’s always right. 

[crawfishgirl]

I've been following Lori for a few years now, and used to laugh at the absurdity of many of the comments on her blog and facebook page.  However, since she is now catering to MGTOW-types, I don't/can't read the comments as often.  There is so much hatred that it truly bothers me, and I don't want to expose myself to it.  I'm surprised that she has any female followers at all - it says a lot about their feelings of self-worth.  Even the people who are into the religious submissive thing should be able to see the extremity and hatred in her writings.

[louisa05]

45 minutes ago, HoneyBunny said:

Oh good grief.  Now the Queen of Anecdotal Evidence and No Sense is on her “sunscreen is awful” sermon. And did you know that because God placed Adam and Eve outside in a garden, we are not meant to send our time indoors or in cities?  When I imagine Fox News viewers, she is exactly what I picture. Dumb, gullible, and 100% certain she’s always right. 

Because she spends so much time outside.  Sure.  Other than the (alleged) walks, we have no evidence she spends any time outside. She doesn’t garden (flowers or vegetables).  She’s never made reference to other outdoor hobbies (I.e hiking, biking, boating, camping, etc...). She’s shown off all kinds of photos and videos of her house but never a patio.  Lord knows she’d never lift her spoiled little fingers to do yard work. 
 

Just like everything, one more “do as I say not as I do” rant.  

[Marmion]

On 3/24/2020 at 11:55 PM, HoneyBunny said:

How ironic. I find it quite difficult to imagine many worse mothers than Lori Alexander, particularly during those years when she never played with her children, never prepared food they liked, and spent all of her time lying on the sofa with a bag of frozen peas on her head while her father rubbed her feet...EXCEPT when she was beating her kids in anger, which she admitted to doing fairly frequently, or hitting her husband. 

I just wanted to chime in to report that I think that I might have stumbled upon a predecessor to Lori Alexander , in the person of Johanna Haarer  , whom you can read about here , if you can translate the original German .  

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johanna_Haarer  When I first heard of her , I thought of how similar her approach to childrearing was to Lori Alexander .  https://bigthink.com/sex-relationships/nazi-parenting-guidelines-persist-today-haarer?rebelltitem=1  It seems that whenever we dig beneath the surface of these white fundamentalist women , we tend to find links to the lingering legacy of the Third Reich period , and/or neo-Nazism . 

[Loveday]

Lori has decided, according to a chatroom post, that she doesn't want an ugly paper or plastic mask.  No, she's decided that, if and when she goes out and about (presumably when her favorite organic store restocks its $14 butter), she wants a pretty, feminine, soft face mask. She's asking if anyone in the chat room knows how to sew. I wonder how many of them will send her some. Maybe they can color coordinate them with all her pretty, feminine tops.

 

[klein_roeschen]

23 hours ago, Marmion said:

I just wanted to chime in to report that I think that I might have stumbled upon a predecessor to Lori Alexander , in the person of Johanna Haarer  , whom you can read about here , if you can translate the original German .  

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johanna_Haarer  When I first heard of her , I thought of how similar her approach to childrearing was to Lori Alexander .  https://bigthink.com/sex-relationships/nazi-parenting-guidelines-persist-today-haarer?rebelltitem=1  It seems that whenever we dig beneath the surface of these white fundamentalist women , we tend to find links to the lingering legacy of the Third Reich period , and/or neo-Nazism . 

I will try my hand at a short summery of her life and the books she has written.

Johanna Haarer, nee Barsch (1900-1988) was a german physician and author of several articles and later books about child rearing. She attended med school and got her medical license in 1926. In 1924 she married her first husband, fellow physician Hellmuth Weese, whom she divorced in 1929. In the same year she started working at a hospital specialised in lung deases. 1932 she married her second Husband Otto Haarer, with whom she had 5 children, starting with twins in 1933 and giving up working as a physician to stay home. That's when she started with writing articles about newborn care. While her articles helped to improve the hygenic standarts of baby care, it was clear that she followed the nazi ideal of raising children to obidience and emotional hardness. 1934 her first and most famous book "Die deutsche Mutter und ihr erstes Kind" (the german mother and her first child) was published. While it was forbidden by the allied forces after the war, a renamed and sanitezed version that got rid of the direct nazi stuff was later published in West- Germany until 1987. In East- Germany  it stayed forbidden, but still influenced the child rearing there. In 1936 followed her second book "Unsere kleinen Kinder" (Our little children), which had the focus on childrearing instead of infant care. And in 1939, she published a childrens book "Mutter, erzähl uns von Adolf Hitler" (Mother, tell us about Adolf Hitler). After the war she interned for a year and her second husband commited suicide in 1946. She got denied to revoke her medical license, so she never worked again as a physician. Her youngest daughter told in an interview in 2012, that she and her siblings suffered under the emotional coldness of their mother and that the main conflict solution in their family where voilence.

The german mother and her first child: It was mainly a guide book on pregnancy and infant care. She discribed the pregnancy and gave the reader advise for a healthy pregancy. She also discribed the birth and the first weeks postpartum. She advised the reader to breast feed and make all the meals for the baby from scratch, instead of buying. Her advise on infant care said to only take the baby up to feed or change the diaper. No feeding for emotional, only nutrional need. Let the child cry and ignore their emotional needs. Her child rearing advise was full on with the nazi ideology of getting tough, emotional distant and obidient citizens by creating an hostile environment where the child was seen as the enemy, you had to conquer.

[older than allosaurs]

23 minutes ago, Loveday said:

Lori has decided, according to a chatroom post, that she doesn't want an ugly paper or plastic mask.  No, she's decided that, if and when she goes out and about (presumably when her favorite organic store restocks its $14 butter), she wants a pretty, feminine, soft face mask. She's asking if anyone in the chat room knows how to sew. I wonder how many of them will send her some. Maybe they can color coordinate them with all her pretty, feminine tops.

 

Lori the homemaker doesn't know how to sew??

Here in my corner of heathen Western Washington, a local progressive political group, along with an environmental nonprofit that collects scrap fabric to reuse and keep out the landfill, have coordinated to make masks and tyvek PPE gowns by the hundreds for local health care workers. We will not be sending one to Lori.

 

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Edited March 30, 2020 by older than allosaurs

[cindyluvs24]

53 minutes ago, Loveday said:

Lori has decided, according to a chatroom post, that she doesn't want an ugly paper or plastic mask.  No, she's decided that, if and when she goes out and about (presumably when her favorite organic store restocks its $14 butter), she wants a pretty, feminine, soft face mask. She's asking if anyone in the chat room knows how to sew. I wonder how many of them will send her some. Maybe they can color coordinate them with all her pretty, feminine tops.

 

You mean Lori can't sew????  Oh dear Lori, you fail at "feminine" in so many ways.

[Caroline]

On 3/28/2020 at 7:00 PM, Sarah92 said:

I see the bare minimum happen a lot. I’ve had a coworker be guilted for working more because her husband, who had a more flexible schedule, didn’t know how to take kids to doctors appointments. How hard is it to take a child for a check up? And why hasn’t he learned before? So not only did she work but she had to manage everything else too. This is why I hesitate to want to get married. It just seems so risky. 

I've always noticed an interesting trend.  A couple gets married, and she's expected and takes on cooking, cleaning, basically all the housework, and a full-time job.  She's ok with this because that's what she's used to. After all, she probably lived alone before she got married and was used to doing these things anyway.  Then they have one child.  She still keeps doing everything plus the child and the child's appointments, etc. because it's exhausting but doable.  

The problems seem to arise when kid number 2 comes along.  That's where I've seen my friends' resentment build, and family life become more difficult.  By then the husband is in his own pattern and totally not able or willing to adjust to doing his share (which he should have been doing all along).  Looks like a nightmare to me.  I've been married 25 years, and really discussed these things before we got married. We have one child, and I can honestly say that throughout her childhood we took equal responsibility for her care and spent almost exactly the same number of actual hours per day with her because of our work schedules.  I wouldn't have it any other way.  Before you get married talk about all of it.  (It also helps to marry a guy who has six older sisters - He knows how to treat women, believe me.)

[Lgirlrocks]

I’ve said this before but my mom was a stay at home mom who worked part time. My dad worked a full time job as well as a part time job. He still helped out around the house. My mom didn’t make him. He didn’t really know how to cook but he still made what he could. No one had to force him to feed his kids, and he didn’t wait for my mom to get home. He ate we ate. 
both of my moms parents worked. My mom somehow managed to learn to be a home maker and cook. My moms younger sister knew how to cook but her husband loved to cook as well so he did most of the cooking. I have been cooking since I was a little kid. Both of my brothers are great cooks as well. 
the Duggar daughters and Bates daughters l, whose purpose is to be stay at home wives and mothers, don’t really know how to cook. There are a few exceptions. Michael and Alissa both did all of the cooking. Not sure what Duggar daughters excelled at cooking before marriage. 
my dad was more of the nurturer when I was growing up. I would go to him if I was sick. Not all moms are nurturing. You learn to be a home maker by doing. I learned a lot growing up and also living on my own. One of my moms friends who was a stay at home mom did everything for her kids. Because of this they didn’t learn how to cook or take care of themselves until they were older and on their own. 
going to college helped me with time management, budgeting, food prep, living with others, and taking care of myself. Yes I accrued debt but I now am able to make a decent living. 

[usmcmom]

5 hours ago, Loveday said:

Lori has decided, according to a chatroom post, that she doesn't want an ugly paper or plastic mask.  No, she's decided that, if and when she goes out and about (presumably when her favorite organic store restocks its $14 butter), she wants a pretty, feminine, soft face mask. She's asking if anyone in the chat room knows how to sew. I wonder how many of them will send her some. Maybe they can color coordinate them with all her pretty, feminine tops.

 

So, instead of asking her super secret chatroom friends to sew masks for healthcare workers in need, she turns their focus to HER.  I mean, who cares about all the sinful working women who are in danger as they serve others? Let’s make sure Lori looks feminine when she goes out. She is a desperate person  

On a positive note, it can only be an advantage to the sane world if Lori’s hateful mouth is at least partially silenced for any length of time.  So, yeah, let her wear a mask. Or a muzzle. 

[Free Jana Duggar]

Are you for real right now?  Lori is asking for someone to make her a mask??????

 

Mrs. Homemaker should know how to sew.

Of course she can't be concerned about the women working in healthcare and ask her fangirls to make masks for them.

Does she realize MEN in healthcare need masks too?  

[Hane]

@older than allosaurs, we have groups like this here in Connecticut, too! I just made a bunch of these pleated masks for Hartford Hospital (where my younger BIL works). The nurses are wearing them over their N95 masks to protect them and giving some out to the public. I’ll be making more once I can scare up more elastic,  which is in short supply.

[usmcmom]

39 minutes ago, Hane said:

@older than allosaurs, we have groups like this here in Connecticut, too! I just made a bunch of these pleated masks for Hartford Hospital (where my younger BIL works). The nurses are wearing them over their N95 masks to protect them and giving some out to the public. I’ll be making more once I can scare up more elastic,  which is in short supply.

I just saw a Facebook post where someone was saying that bungee cords are full of elastic. They had slit the cover and used the elastic under it. There were several strands in each cord. Just s thought. Thank you very much for your work in helping the healthcare field. 

[NotQuiteMotY]

On 3/30/2020 at 4:32 PM, klein_roeschen said:

Her advise on infant care said to only take the baby up to feed or change the diaper. No feeding for emotional, only nutrional need. Let the child cry and ignore their emotional needs.

That's just sad. My favorite parts of having a baby are having them cuddle up and fall asleep on my chest or have them laugh at something I'm doing, like blowing raspberries on their neck. I can't imagine not comforting them.

[Lgirlrocks]

1 hour ago, NotQuiteMotY said:

That's just sad. My favorite parts of having a baby are having them cuddle up and fall asleep on my chest or have them laugh at something I'm doing, like blowing raspberries on their neck. I can't imagine not comforting them.

I thought women were supposed to be nurturers. How can you claim to be a nurturer if you let your kids cry everything out? If you only pick them up when you are feeding them, changing their diaper, or putting them to bed? 

[PotsPansPatriarchy]

On 2/20/2020 at 12:18 PM, usmcmom said:

I quit reading Ken’s post at about the second paragraph. 
 

He started with “Dead Pastor,” but then goes on to write “your pastor...” several times. So, is he speaking to a pastor or to a general audience? 
 

Since he does have a Masters in Divinity, shouldn’t he know to keep his writing. voice consistent?  His thoughts are so scattered and he is such a rambling buffoon, I cannot imagine listening to him speak on a weekly basis. 
 

Also, in regards to Ken walking out of a service - the proper and mature thing to do would be to meet with the pastor and church leadership privately. Have a calm and respectful discussion about differences of opinion and interpretation.  Ken sends his wife to social media to complain and then takes over her blog for a day to air his grievances.  How do they think this wins people to the church?  Nobody wants to be a part of a church when even their own members can’t get along. 

Anyone know what church he walked out of?

[usmcmom]

1 hour ago, PotsPansPatriarchy said:

Anyone know what church he walked out of?

I don’t know;  but I just caught my own typo in your quote. I’m pretty sure Ken started his letter with “DEAR Pastor,” not “Dead Pastor.” ?

I’m sure, though, that Ken does believe him to be spiritually dead. 

[mango_fandango]

Of course there’s no question of Queen Lori learning to sew herself. 
 

I can’t imagine leaving babies to cry it out. Babies can’t speak, crying is their way of communication. I’ve not had children so I don’t feel I can really contribute, I’m not one of those people who’s like “oh, when I have kids, it’ll be like this and this and that”, because I know nothing can actually, truly prepare you for actually having a baby. I have to find a boyfriend/partner first... given all this social distancing stuff that’s on the back burner for now 

[cindyluvs24]

14 hours ago, mango_fandango said:

Of course there’s no question of Queen Lori learning to sew herself. 
 

But, but , her old blog was "Always Learning"......

Speaking of blogs and why I'm especially pissed off today: ( aside from my new headache, fever, and cough, yeah, not good)    A friend of mine from childhood was dx'd with breast cancer years ago.  Things were up and down with different meds, procedures and side effects but she is working and traveling and living her best life.  Unlike Lori, she teaches Sunday School and has a sincere, quiet faith. She has written three blogs over the course of her "adventure."  She always presented whatever was going on, from issues with surgical packing, to hairpieces, to doctors, Lupron shots, and lymphedema sleeves, with humor and a steely resolve, grounded by , again just speculating, this quiet faith she has.  Yesterday she had a phone appointment with her doctor.  She's been on Ibrance but the last scans were bad, new spots on her liver, nodes, and a mass on the chest.  The doctor gave her some options but the writings on the wall.  She had to tell her mother (who lost her husband to cancer back in the late 70's). She made the doctor promise he'd keep her comfortable at the end.  Yet she said she has God's peace and in the end, that's all she's ever wanted and its enough.    

Lori is a woman with limited capabilities and questionable coping skills who lucked out marrying a man who was able to underwrite her weaknesses.  She could learn a lot from Liza. Rant over.

Edited April 1, 2020 by cindyluvs24

[Sarah92]

10 minutes ago, cindyluvs24 said:

But, but , her old blog was "Always Learning"......

Always learning...how not to work 

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

If Lori can't sew enough to make a mask -- does that mean she can't sew at all?  Never replaced a button?   Hand stitched a dropped hem?  Fixed a seam rip? Knit? Crotchet? Embroider? Needlepoint? Quilt?  Counted Cross Stitch?

Fail Lori.  Epic fail.  Major Epic fail on your feminine keeper at home skills.

Bur then she never learned how to cook anything other than slimy cat food salads -- and Einkorn bread that looks like a rock (probably tastes like one).

She doesn't clean (housekeeper does that). She doesn't garden. She doesn't can or preserve, make jam/jelly/pickles/etc. She doesn't cook in batches and freeze meals ahead.  She doesn't graciously entertain. 

Exactly what "keeper at home" skills does she have?