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3 hours ago, Marionette said:

They did an Instagram live together where Andrii praised Elissa for not being very independent so that he could “lead” her better. 

Yep, this is a disaster waiting to happen. As a young and sheltered fundie maiden, she's in for a rude shock. Even if she's been on 'missions' before, there's a whole world of difference between that and suddenly being expected to be a wife in a strange land where you don't speak the language or read the writing or have any of your support network to hand. 

5 hours ago, apandaaries said:

Ukrainian men tend to have some very strong ideas about how wives and women should behave. Andrii is quite vocally homophobic. Domestic violence appears fairly entrenched in that culture. Not knowing the language, being that far from home, with a man she’s barely spent time with? Recipe for disaster.

I had a look at Australia's travel advice with regards to the Ukraine, and while it's not the most dangerous place in the world, I would be thinking hard before going there. I understand she's not going as a tourist, but there's some deeply problematic political and health concerns. 

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21 hours ago, Marionette said:

They did an Instagram live together where Andrii praised Elissa for not being very independent so that he could “lead” her better. The clip is somewhere on reddit. She also agreed to move to the Ukraine (if the relationship went anywhere)...ON THE FIRST DATE. 

This sounds as if it could potentially end up as badly as the situation recounted in this movie / book I have seen .   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Without_My_Daughter_(film)  

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On 10/10/2020 at 6:24 PM, Marionette said:

They did an Instagram live together where Andrii praised Elissa for not being very independent so that he could “lead” her better. The clip is somewhere on reddit. She also agreed to move to the Ukraine (if the relationship went anywhere)...ON THE FIRST DATE. 

I saw that recently, he says something like "Elissa allows me to be a man, to lead, she is not so independent" (meaning obedient and passive) and she kind of rolls her eyes at this. The consensus on r/fundiesnark, where it was recently reposted, is her reaction may have been to him so blatantly expressing their fundie culture, usually the Bairds are a bit (but only a bit) more subtle about it.

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On 10/10/2020 at 11:24 PM, Marionette said:

They did an Instagram live together where Andrii praised Elissa for not being very independent so that he could “lead” her better. The clip is somewhere on reddit. She also agreed to move to the Ukraine (if the relationship went anywhere)...ON THE FIRST DATE. 

She's really planning to leave everything behind to go and live with a man she barely knows in an unfamiliar culture. She will have nobody of her own to speak to and help her when she moves after the wedding, everything will be new. And, again, she barely knows this person!! I have questions and concerns. 

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If you have to choose some dependent little maiden in order to be the boss man of your house and even so your little old lady has to allow you to lead you sort of failed in the  über macho headshipping business already. You're only winning because she lets you win.

A real headship would be the headship because the results speak for themselves, not because people let them play the boss.

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14 minutes ago, hasunah said:

If anyone is interested , r/fundiesnark is currently in an online  battle with them . 

Recently, that reddit cost them more than a few sponsorships after people from there messaged the brands to make them aware of the horrendous beliefs the Bairds have. I'm sure they're pissed off about it.

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2 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

It’s sort of fascinating to me how little we talk about GD and Reddit is damn near obsessed. 

Me too. I don’t see how the Bairds are any different than the Rods or Duggars, so when I wandered over to Fundie Snark I was surprised by their obsession. 

Karissa Collins is the one they are rightly worried about imo. Her posts are concerning.

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12 minutes ago, adidas said:

Me too. I don’t see how the Bairds are any different than the Rods or Duggars, so when I wandered over to Fundie Snark I was surprised by their obsession. 

Karissa Collins is the one they are rightly worried about imo. Her posts are concerning.

My guess is that GD seems to have a big audience. Maybe that’s why Reddit focuses so much on them. Karissa s doesn’t seem to have as big of an audience. 

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20 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

It’s sort of fascinating to me how little we talk about GD and Reddit is damn near obsessed. 

Especially with giving them nicknames such as “Birthy” and “KKKrusty.”

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6 minutes ago, smittykins said:

Especially with giving them nicknames such as “Birthy” and “KKKrusty.”

I sometimes call her Princess Bethy because she can act like such a fundie princess. But there are a few fundie princesses I can name. People like MisforMama and Lisa Metzger are fundie princesses too. But the Bairds aren’t super interesting like some of the other fundies. So I don’t keep up with them as much. 

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21 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

It’s sort of fascinating to me how little we talk about GD and Reddit is damn near obsessed. 

Honestly  it's a bit much. That reddit is so focused on GD, Paul & Morgan, and Karissa, with obsessions here and there for "new" people like Kelly Havens Ohio, Flannery (of the weird Pentecostals), other less known, and of course J Rod. They never discuss more interesting families like the Maxwell or Mortons.

I've recently been going on Fundie Snark Uncensored which came as a result of FS becoming so strict with rules (nothing remotely thread drift or leghumping) and mod control, and GD bashing. Someone there pointed out that FS does cross a line sometimes especially in making fun of the GD "girls" appearances.

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3 hours ago, freethemall said:

Honestly  it's a bit much. That reddit is so focused on GD, Paul & Morgan, and Karissa, with obsessions here and there for "new" people like Kelly Havens Ohio, Flannery (of the weird Pentecostals), other less known, and of course J Rod. They never discuss more interesting families like the Maxwell or Mortons.

I've recently been going on Fundie Snark Uncensored which came as a result of FS becoming so strict with rules (nothing remotely thread drift or leghumping) and mod control, and GD bashing. Someone there pointed out that FS does cross a line sometimes especially in making fun of the GD "girls" appearances.

I hate when there are insane amounts of rules. It’s so stifling. It’s crazy to me when there are tons of rules but then it’s a free for all when it comes to making fun of appearances. That just doesn’t make any sense in my brain.

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On 11/7/2020 at 12:20 PM, JermajestyDuggar said:

It’s sort of fascinating to me how little we talk about GD and Reddit is damn near obsessed. 

I think a lot of it is age based. Reddit users tend to be in their teens and twenties so they look more towards the public fundies of their age, so GD, Paul and Morgan, and Mrs Midwest.

I know there is a separate subreddit for the Duggars and at least one for the Rods.

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Plus, the Mortons no longer update their blogs and they don't really show anything too crazy on their social media (IMHO), and the Maxwells are so, so boring. The Baird sisters are constantly posting to their Instagram stories/YouTube/blog and have way more content to snark on.

It's not my thing, but it makes sense for Reddit.

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2 hours ago, Seahorse Wrangler said:

I think a lot of it is age based. Reddit users tend to be in their teens and twenties so they look more towards the public fundies of their age, so GD, Paul and Morgan, and Mrs Midwest.

I know there is a separate subreddit for the Duggars and at least one for the Rods.

You probably are touching son a big part of it. I’m 38 so maybe I’m too old for Reddit. I only go look over there once a month and I don’t have an account. 

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I casually hang out on FS and yes, they're obsessed with the Bairds but the Bairds (Bethany, Kristen and Ellissa) have harassed redditors too, it's kinda an ongoing battle. I became a bit interested in them when I read about their Nazi ancestors and how they revision history. They're horrible, just horrible.

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I personally love the anti-thread drift rules at FS, before they implemented it, it seemed like every thread turned into people discussing their birth stories or potty training stories or god knows what else and I'd have to scroll past pages and pages of irrelevant comments discussing posters' personal lives in order to find comments on the actual content that was posted.  

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24 minutes ago, dramallama said:

I personally love the anti-thread drift rules at FS, before they implemented it, it seemed like every thread turned into people discussing their birth stories or potty training stories or god knows what else and I'd have to scroll past pages and pages of irrelevant comments discussing posters' personal lives in order to find comments on the actual content that was posted.  

Yeah, I was on FundieSnark Uncensored and reading people's complaints about the moderation. When reading their specific examples of comments that were deleted I kept thinking to myself, "That's not the kind of stuff I came on here to read about anyways..."

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I feel like it would be really handy if there was a thread drift marker or on topic marker for people who want to skip the thread drift.Ike thread drift is in one color. Like pink or something. And then the on topic discussion is in green. I don’t know. I just think people would like that on Reddit.

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20 hours ago, dramallama said:

I personally love the anti-thread drift rules at FS, before they implemented it, it seemed like every thread turned into people discussing their birth stories or potty training stories or god knows what else and I'd have to scroll past pages and pages of irrelevant comments discussing posters' personal lives in order to find comments on the actual content that was posted.  

Yeah but I thought the whole thing with Reddit was you could ignore whole thread drifts, unlike on FJ where 5 pages will be thread drift and its impossible to find the actual fundie content. The rule was certainly made to be the opposite of FJ.

People on FS Uncensored have cited examples where their comments were banned for being thread drift when they really weren't, with very mean responses from mods. For instance, someone asked if it's possible to have 6 c-sections and a user responded to say "I have" and explained for context, the comment was deleted and a mod said "take it to your mommy blog".

19 hours ago, indianabones said:

Yeah, I was on FundieSnark Uncensored and reading people's complaints about the moderation. When reading their specific examples of comments that were deleted I kept thinking to myself, "That's not the kind of stuff I came on here to read about anyways..."

Yes but compared to Fj?

23 hours ago, Seahorse Wrangler said:

I know there is a separate subreddit for the Duggars and at least one for the Rods.

That's Duggar Snark, it's a separate subreddit and the folks at FS dont seem to have good feelings about it.

Here is a feed a reddit user made that combines all the separate fundie subreddits, the Fundie Fashion one is great:

https://www.reddit.com/user/sunflowersupreme/m/fundies/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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Yeah and there's a reason I don't spend much time at FJ these days and generally only in the Morton thread, I don't even know why I popped into this one except that I was bored....the thread drift is annoying no matter where it is.  A little here and there is one thing but sometimes it really gets out of control, and I was seeing that frequently at FS before they cut off the drift. Reddit does make it slightly easier to ignore with the ability to collapse the replies to a comment but depending on how much the drift is mixed in with relevant comments and where those comments are nested you can still end up scrolling past tons and tons of crap on what feels like every post. It's also kind of annoying to see 25 new comments on a thread I'm interested in and I go in to see what's being discussed and find they're all about buttface49's breastfeeding saga.  

I personally left the Duggar snark community on reddit because it's become 90% leghumping Jill and Dwreck.

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There is no perfect system, but I don’t think the style of Reddit works as well for an ongoing critique. You get too many double posts with multiple threads sharing the same links. People who jump in newly with little background knowledge don’t really have a way to get up to speed. So you get a lot of inaccurate information and the multi threaded comments make it hard to correct or share context. 

I do understand not loving the thread drift. Sometimes it annoys me but sometimes I participate! But the fj forum format makes way more sense and creates an easy to reference history. 
 

Basically, I’d rather wade through a couple pages about people’s small plane experiences than watch people unironically ask if anyone knew John David was a pilot.

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I am on FundieSnark(and a few political subs), but 90% of mine are cat-related.

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