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7 hours ago, AmazonGrace said:

I wonder if Lucinda Grace Pennington, biblical counselor extraordinaire, sobered up and forgot some of her previous drunk posting.

Drunk posting in the morning might actually be better than if that is her sober posting! If she does have a lawyer who she contacts over this I can imagine that he will cringe while reading through this thread, because there is just so much second hand embarrassment over her nonsensical, angry posts. 

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Well this has been an interesting read. Something that just occurred to me though, based on previous posters mentioning that Lucinda is trashing her own reputation. Is it possible that this isn't actually the real Lucinda, but someone masquerading as her for the sole purpose of destroying her reputation? Because that would absolutely suck.

Full disclosure: I've never heard of Lucinda Pennington before, have no clue who she is, and have no dog in this fight. Just wondering if the poster is actually her.

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2 minutes ago, Playagirl said:

Well this has been an interesting read. Something that just occurred to me though, based on previous posters mentioning that Lucinda is trashing her own reputation. Is it possible that this isn't actually the real Lucinda, but someone masquerading as her for the sole purpose of destroying her reputation? Because that would absolutely suck.

Full disclosure: I've never heard of Lucinda Pennington before, have no clue who she is, and have no dog in this fight. Just wondering if the poster is actually her.

It's her.  She contacted us by email about 12 hours before she posted the first demand to take down the post.

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3 minutes ago, Curious said:

It's her.  She contacted us by email about 12 hours before she posted the first demand to take down the post.

Good to know. I must have missed that in my reading last night. Thanks for clarifying. Note to self: do not read when tipsy.

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Not sure if I missed something, but is there any connection between Lucinda and the Pennington family we discussed in the Pennington Point threads a few years back? 
I specifically think of Grace Pennington, Lisa‘s oldest daughter, who should be about the right age. 

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58 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

Drunk posting in the morning might actually be better than if that is her sober posting! If she does have a lawyer who she contacts over this I can imagine that he will cringe while reading through this thread, because there is just so much second hand embarrassment over her nonsensical, angry posts. 

It is always five o'clock somewhere.

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I just want to weigh in on certain ways that families use money in parenting.

In some families, when kids have money it's because they earned it outside the house, or in some major household project, received it as a gift. In these families kids "own money" is rare and precious, and it really needs to be left out of any kind of scheme-of-consequences. Using your birthday money to buy a sandwich from your parents' groceries because you overspent a school lunch account is really horrific.

On the other hand, in other families, kids are given money quite abundantly -- specifically so that the money can be a teaching tool. Kids in these families regularly decide whether to spend their weekly or monthly personal spending budget on things like movie dates, new clothes, or art supplies. (Parents give them monthly or weekly cash money instead of buying them clothes, paying for the movie, or providing art supplies. The kids are still being provided for with generosity.) In these cases, when kids make mistakes that have financial costs, it makes sense for them to have to shift their personal spending budget away from 'things I was planning to buy this month' in order to cover something like, 'I wasted a lot of my lunch money on pop and chips, but now I need regular food, and that costs money too'. The context (parents giving kids budget-learning money in the first place) makes monetary consequences reasonable. It creates a teaching moment, but not a harsh one.

Trouble arises when parents don't provide the context, the money, or any guidance in personal finances -- then pop up with a message of, "No, we won't feed you unless you pay us to." That's just wrong.

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1 hour ago, Pammy said:

On the other hand, in other families, kids are given money quite abundantly -- specifically so that the money can be a teaching tool. Kids in these families regularly decide whether to spend their weekly or monthly personal spending budget on things like movie dates, new clothes, or art supplies. (Parents give them monthly or weekly cash money instead of buying them clothes, paying for the movie, or providing art supplies. The kids are still being provided for with generosity.) In these cases, when kids make mistakes that have financial costs, it makes sense for them to have to shift their personal spending budget away from 'things I was planning to buy this month' in order to cover something like, 'I wasted a lot of my lunch money on pop and chips, but now I need regular food, and that costs money too'. The context (parents giving kids budget-learning money in the first place) makes monetary consequences reasonable. It creates a teaching moment, but not a harsh one.

My mother was of this school of thought.  She couldn't believe people sent their kids off to college and expected them to succeed without first giving them all the basic skills.  To her budgeting was more important than cooking and laundry.  When I started high school we sat down and together produced a budget.  I was paid when she was paid.  There were a few chores I was supposed to do for my "salary."  Clothes, entertainment, books, etc I covered and as soon as she could talk the bank into it I had a checking account.  The only food I was responsible for, however, was an after school sundae or going out with friends.  She would have been appalled at anyone trying to use food as any kind of teaching tool, punishment, or anything except a basic necessity parents provide.

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3 minutes ago, Coconut Flan said:

My mother was of this school of thought.  She couldn't believe people sent their kids off to college and expected them to succeed without first giving them all the basic skills.  To her budgeting was more important than cooking and laundry.  When I started high school we sat down and together produced a budget.  I was paid when she was paid.  There were a few chores I was supposed to do for my "salary."  Clothes, entertainment, books, etc I covered and as soon as she could talk the bank into I had a checking account.  The only food I was responsible for, however, was an after school sundae or going out with friends.  She would have been appalled at anyone trying to use food as any kind of teaching tool, punishment, or anything except a basic necessity parents provide.

Yes, that's what I mean. I'm thinking, though, even if it didn't happen to you, if you had done something... like maybe you accidentally left a meal's worth of ground beef out on the counter and it went bad overnight? In my family (very similar) I wouldn't be surprised to see myself sent to the grocery store to replace that beef for the family "from my own money".

That wouldn't have felt like the parents are denying a basic necessity (they already provided it once) but more just emphasizing that mistakes that cause waste sometimes impact your bottom line.

I can see some families going from "I already paid for a full compliment of lunches" so, if the kid redirected some of that money to snacks (and thus ran out early), it's not the only solution, but it's not unreasonable to say that he can redirect some of "his own money" back towards his lunch bill. Presumably "his own money" would have been the better way to buy snacks at school in the first place, if that was what he wanted.

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On 6/4/2020 at 2:51 PM, formergothardite said:

Just to clarify. Are you saying have now changed your mine. So at one point you thought it was okay to hit* children, but now you believe that it is never right for adults to hit children? 

Or are you saying that it was okay to hit people 30 years ago but it isn't okay now? 

*Let's not sugar coat it by calling it spanking

Gotta put this out here! She still thinks its okay to beat kids. She posted a meme on fb within the past several years. It had an image of an adult beating a child and caption read something along the lines of 'If there was more of this [referring to child beating] there would be less of this.' Whatever the latter 'this' was, it was something perceived to be negative by fundie evangelicals like Lucinda 'I have two master's degrees - but functionally-illiterate' Pennington. 

Also on fb, there is a picture of her baptist pastor (Coleman Baptist Church in Peculiar, MO; although he was previously fired from multiple churches) having his face painted with makeup by their youngest daughter, Serenity - they call her Renny. The caption on the photo contained the statement "mommy is allergic to makeup." Yet, in her Dr Phil appearance she is very much wearing makeup. Lucinda is either lying or manipulating the narrative to fit what serves her best at the time. Likely a combination of both. That kind of learned behavior likely helped her survive the extreme abuse she experienced. I just wonder when/if she will realize that continuing to do so doesn't serve her or anyone else well. Can't just stand by and let it slide because she is hurting people... especially other HH Survivors.

Lucinda has a long history of being a) a person out of touch with reality, b) a bold faced fuckin liar and c) a person who likes to harass and harangue anyone who says/writes/does anything she doesn't like.

These weak, idle threats of involving a lawyer (she slings legal shield and has her affiliate link all over her fb page; so I seriously doubt she has financial means to access to legal counsel) to silence those who tell on her poor behavior are very telling. Imo, it also points to her cognizance of culpability in the matters mentioned.

Additionally, it's NOT inappropriate that she wants HH Survivors to get over their abuse at the hands of HH. Lucinda, how would you feel if someone told you to forget about & get over the abuse you survived & endured because it's over and you don't live with the abuser any longer? The wounds inflicted on Lucinda and the HH Survivors are so primal that while healing can occur, most people who are traumatized to that degree are often impacted for life. It's a wound that doesnt just go away. Shame shame shame shame on you, Lucinda. 

Oh... and Lucinda? Call your lawyer. Go for it. I have exactly zero fucks to give.

1 hour ago, Curious said:

It's her.  She contacted us by email about 12 hours before she posted the first demand to take down the post.

Definitely appears to be consistent with previous Lucinda behaviors & lack of functional-literacy.

My response?

Yawwwwwwwwn.

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11 minutes ago, Coconut Flan said:

The only food I was responsible for, however, was an after school sundae or going out with friends.  She would have been appalled at anyone trying to use food as any kind of teaching tool, punishment, or anything except a basic necessity parents provide.

Exactly. If my husband goes out to lunch one day at an expensive meal and decided that he needed to bring lunch from home for the rest of the week he would hardly have to start paying the family for the food in the fridge. I think spending all the lunch money and having to bring food from home is a very good natural consequence. I guess some people don't view the food in the house as family food and it is just the food that belongs to the parents? That is weird to me. 

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6 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

Exactly. If my husband goes out to lunch one day at an expensive meal and decided that he needed to bring lunch from home for the rest of the week he would hardly have to start paying the family for the food in the fridge. I think spending all the lunch money and having to bring food from home is a very good natural consequence. I guess some people don't view the food in the house as family food and it is just the food that belongs to the parents? That is weird to me. 

Considering that most fundies think their actual living breathing human children are property, I suppose it makes sense that all the resources are the parents.  Why would property have claim over other property?

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19 minutes ago, formergothardite said:
I guess some people don't view the food in the house as family food and it is just the food that belongs to the parents? That is weird to me. 


Pretty much that. I once heard a long speech about how it was MY food from one of my parents before a literal padlock was placed on the fridge to keep us from getting into it. I can’t remember what I ate anymore that caused it, but I definitely remember the speech and the lock. There’s some really weird relationships with food that go along with fundie-dom sometimes.

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On 6/4/2020 at 3:15 PM, formergothardite said:

How worried can you be about your name being slandered/libeled if you don't actually want to clarify when asked? The about me on back of your book very easily can be read by people who don't know a lot about social services as you being a social worker. Honestly, that is what I would assume just reading the back. It says you are a Youth specialist 2 for the department of social services. Plenty of people would take that as the same as a social worker. 

When it comes to spanking, it does seem like even in your answer here you might be okay with spanking, depending on what you meant by it being okay 30 years ago.

Doesn't it make more sense to clarify so people are aware instead of just screaming threats? If you truly want your name to not be defamed. 

She was fired from her job (with the state of Missouri) as a youth specialist for threatening to have her husband beat the shit out of a youth she was supposed to be providing care for. There was a great deal of time where it was unclear whether or not that incident would cause Lucinda Pennington to be placed on the Missouri child abuse registry. Eventually it was decided she would not be placed on the registry. Because Missouri is backwards as fuck when it comes to chold welfare. Lucinda posted how excited she was to be allowed to "work with teens" again and wouldn't have to continue working "on her feet" at Steak & Shake. But to my knowledge, no group home will hire her (because of previously-mentioned incident and her other psychological problems which she refuses to address) and that's why Lucinda is seeking funding & grant money to open her own group homes.

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On 6/4/2020 at 7:03 PM, Curious said:

 

While my research shows that you need a license to be a therapist/counselor in Missouri, I did not find her listed in the Professional Board look up thingy.  I am not saying she is NOT licensed,  just that she did not show up in my searches.   It's entirely possible I did something wrong since this was all on the fly research today.

She does have an NPI number which has something to do with taking insurance and medicare, but that is way above the research time I want to put into this to learn the nitty gritty about it.   I would think to be able to have an NPI number that one would have to be licensed so not sure why that seems like a disconnect.

 

Lucinda is not licensed. Nor is she eligible for licensure (to my knowledge) despite her claim to "have two master's degrees."

 

IIRC, in most states, a person must be licensed to collect a fee for services if they call it counseling or therapy. The NPI is likely related to the now-revoked contract she had with the state.  Although I'm not sure why. I don't think federal medicaid dollars pay for the services Lucinda provided.

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Love & Logic is a book written by Foster Cline. It's copyrighted material; unlike the 12 Steps concept.

In order to teach Love & Logic's proprietary material there is  mandatory training. 

Fwiw, I doubt Lucinda can produce any evidence that she is certified with L&L.

And spanking isn't part of the L&L process yet she has instructed parents to hit their children.

On 6/4/2020 at 10:25 PM, Alisamer said:

I’m sorry, I’m going with troll as well. Someone who is supposedly educated and a published author should know the difference between “your” and “you’re”, and should also be able to figure out where a comma might reasonably go. 
Again - anyone looking for info on this Lucinda isn’t going to care much about the things posted about her after they read the posts claiming to be by her. Those posts make it clear there is no professionalism to be had there. 

This is actually how Lucinda acts. And writes. Fwiw, I'm certian if's her.

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On 6/5/2020 at 6:57 AM, nelliebelle1197 said:

It sounds to me like Lucinda "counsels" abusers or people who are neglecting their children or who in some way are violating the law in regard to health, education, etc. Anyone agree?

That's exactly what she does. Now that the state isn't paying her to assist parents who have had their children removed by CPS, Lucinda charges the parents a fee for her "services" to "help them get their kids back" and "fight against CPS."

Lucinda Pennington's YT channel is either Foster Advocate or Foster Child Advocate. 

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50 minutes ago, Shaquillle Oatmeal said:

She was fired from her job (with the state of Missouri) as a youth specialist for threatening to have her husband beat the shit out of a youth she was supposed to be providing care for. There was a great deal of time where it was unclear whether or not that incident would cause Lucinda Pennington to be placed on the Missouri child abuse registry. Eventually it was decided she would not be placed on the registry. Because Missouri is backwards as fuck when it comes to chold welfare. Lucinda posted how excited she was to be allowed to "work with teens" again and wouldn't have to continue working "on her feet" at Steak & Shake. But to my knowledge, no group home will hire her (because of previously-mentioned incident and her other psychological problems which she refuses to address) and that's why Lucinda is seeking funding & grant money to open her own group homes.

Spreading false information I see! 
one I never said my husband would beat the shit out of a teen! 
share the full information if you must and facts! 
I was sexually assaulted by this 18 year old 6ft 4inch 260 pound client ! When told I would have to report his assault he proceeded to pick me up and throw me where my head and shoulders indented the wall and the police were immediately called! I followed instructions and tried to talk and calm the client and when I was told to go to the door and lock it her proceeded to punch me which cause my eye socket to get fractured and my ear drum busted - they counted 36 fractures to my face! When I ran to the bathroom after gaining my strength to get up I saw my face and made the comment your blessed my husband is not here he would kick your butt! 
 

I worked for two state facilities after this incident so again you are wrong on your spreading of untruth!!!  

6 minutes ago, Shaquillle Oatmeal said:

That's exactly what she does. Now that the state isn't paying her to assist parents who have had their children removed by CPS, Lucinda charges the parents a fee for her "services" to "help them get their kids back" and "fight against CPS."

Lucinda Pennington's YT channel is either Foster Advocate or Foster Child Advocate. 

Lol - wrong again!! Love how you think you know me ! You know absolutely nothing!! 

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1 hour ago, Shaquillle Oatmeal said:

Love & Logic is a book written by Foster Cline. It's copyrighted material; unlike the 12 Steps concept.

In order to teach Love & Logic's proprietary material there is  mandatory training. 

Fwiw, I doubt Lucinda can produce any evidence that she is certified with L&L.

And spanking isn't part of the L&L process yet she has instructed parents to hit their children.

This is actually how Lucinda acts. And writes. Fwiw, I'm certian if's her.

You need to stop spreading lies! I don’t know who you are Don’t care but if you are going to talk about me know the actual facts!! Stop spreading lies 

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16 minutes ago, Lucinda said:

Spreading false information I see! 
one I never said my husband would beat the shit out of a teen! 
share the full information if you must and facts! 
I was sexually assaulted by this 18 year old 6ft 4inch 260 pound client ! When told I would have to report his assault he proceeded to pick me up and throw me where my head and shoulders indented the wall and the police were immediately called! I followed instructions and tried to talk and calm the client and when I was told to go to the door and lock it her proceeded to punch me which cause my eye socket to get fractured and my ear drum busted - they counted 36 fractures to my face! When I ran to the bathroom after gaining my strength to get up I saw my face and made the comment your blessed my husband is not here he would kick your butt! 
 

I worked for two state facilities after this incident so again you are wrong on your spreading of untruth!!!  

Lol - wrong again!! Love how you think you know me ! You know absolutely nothing!! 

Woah! So is it just me or did Miss I'm-Sooooooo-Professional with her two bullshit master's degrees just publish confidential and sensitive information?  

Nevermind that her own statement validates exactly what I wrote, but wasn't HIPAA violaton the reason Lucinda lost her parent aide contract with the state? Although she also has made statements on her YT channel that CPS shut down her company because she was soooo good at her job & she was costing them money? Again, manipulating the facts to fit her narrative. 

Smh

Yikes.

So, long time members, helpmeets and @Curious, is it fair game or a violation of FJ rules to screenshot Lucinda's post and make the state of Missouri and other authorities aware of the fact that she has inappropriately & unethically published confidential information? Thanks in advance.

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1 hour ago, Shaquillle Oatmeal said:

Woah! So is it just me or did Miss I'm-Sooooooo-Professional with her two bullshit master's degrees just publish confidential and sensitive information?  

Nevermind that her own statement validates exactly what I wrote, but wasn't HIPAA violaton the reason Lucinda lost her parent aide contract with the state? Although she also has made statements on her YT channel that CPS shut down her company because she was soooo good at her job & she was costing them money? Again, manipulating the facts to fit her narrative. 

Smh

Yikes.

Apparently you have no clue what Hipaa violations are!! I never mentioned a name or where so f....off.....

who thinks she knows me!!! 

it doesn’t validate anything you said but that your information is incorrect as always 

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1 hour ago, Shaquillle Oatmeal said:

She posted a meme on fb within the past several years. It had an image of an adult beating a child and caption read something along the lines of 'If there was more of this [referring to child beating] there would be less of this.' Whatever the latter 'this' was, it was something perceived to be negative by fundie evangelicals like Lucinda '

I found what you were talking about. Lucinda says she agrees but people can't do this or they will be abusing their children. So she admits all spanking is abuse, except for when for those magical times 30 years ago when you could hit your kids. Why did you agree with this Lucinda when you admit what the picture shows is abuse? Why agree with something that shows abuse?

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And she is apparently living in the 80's and still thinks the Satanic Panic happened. The Satanic Temple doesn't even push worshiping Satan, they really don't eat babies. :laughing-jumpingpurple: Hail, Satan is a really good documentary about the Satanic Temple, by the way.  And she can't even praise them for advertising that they don't hit kids. 

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4 minutes ago, Shaquillle Oatmeal said:

Woah! So is it just me or did Miss I'm-Sooooooo-Professional with her two bullshit master's degrees just publish confidential and sensitive information?  

Nevermind that her own statement validates exactly what I wrote, but wasn't HIPAA violaton the reason Lucinda lost her parent aide contract with the state? Although she also has made statements on her YT channel that CPS shut down her company because she was soooo good at her job & she was costing them money? Again, manipulating the facts to fit her narrative. 

Smh

Yikes.

Your ignorance is shining bright!! And you are spreading lies and deceit- stop it now!! I have already gone to the police and my lawyer!!! 

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9 minutes ago, Lucinda said:

You need to stop spreading lies! I dn’t know who you are Don’t care but if you are going to talk about know the actual facts!! Stop spreading lies 

Mistake on my part. Love & Logic doesn't require training or certification. And as such, I retract said statement.

However, I have been physically-present when Lucinda instructed parents to hit their kids.

 

4 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

I found what you were talking about. Lucinda says she agrees but people can't do this or they will be abusing their children. So she admits all spanking is abuse, except for when for those magical times 30 years ago when you could hit your kids. Why did you agree with this Lucinda when you admit what the picture shows is abuse? Why agree with something that shows abuse?

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And she is apparently living in the 80's and still thinks the Satanic Panic happened. The Satanic Temple doesn't even push worshiping Satan, they really don't eat babies. :laughing-jumpingpurple: Hail, Satan is a really good documentary about the Satanic Temple.  And she can't even praise them for advertising that they don't hit kids. 

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Could you please SS the meme? Thanks.

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4 minutes ago, Lucinda said:

I have already gone to the police

I so hope a police officer is reading this thread right now and laughing. Did you tell your lawyer you discussed getting lots of money in your settlement and wouldn't say hitting children is bad in all times and places? 

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