Duggars Raided by Homeland Security

[AussieKrissy]

3 hours ago, squiddysquid said:

The fact that they only raided the car dealership and not his home makes me hopeful that it was over something financial and not anything like child porn.

Interesting that Josh is not the owner of the property. And Josh and Anna are listed as living at the big Duggar house? I thought they had their own place now.

All I can think is that his internet (computer access) is monitored at home (by Anna) and he is not monitored at work. I think that if they find anything on those they  may spread to home.  

[neuroticcat]

Also if CPS is involved, we likely wouldn’t hear about child removal - for good privacy reasons. Besides that I imagine CPS would first turn to adult relatives vs. foster care...

[AussieKrissy]

What I think will be a really big give away is if Counting on gets dropped anytime soon. 

I can imagine TLC have been on the phone finding out what the hell is going on and if they need to prepare for a shit storm backlash like the molestation/ashley madison scandals. 

They may be checking before investing anymore money on shooting footage that may not get used. 

They may be questioning the validity of what they are being told about the situation, depending on how forthcoming and honest the Duggars have been with the previous scandals. 

TLC's reaction I think will be very telling to how scandalous this all is. 

TLC will most probably keep screening and earning from the Duggars right up until the very last minute that public opinion turns against them enough to make TLC react.

Just my two cents 

[quiversR4hunting]

29 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

That fool probably goes to the TTH and sleeps in his bunk bed every night. 

A person elected in local government in my state listed a house with no utilities. It eventually caught up to the person and was removed from office. My point, people could be watching to make sure he is living in the district he wants to represent. 

[neuroticcat]

Lots of photos of the car lot here:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nwahomepage.com/myfox24/homeland-security-investigations-raid-duggar-home-2/amp/

It looks like this car lot is in Springdale. Duggar’s residence (and J and A’s) in Tontitown. So different locations which again could explain Duggars’ statement.

Also another article named “Bryan Cox” as the HSI spokesperson. I have no idea how big the department is or if he speaks for all cases but the other case he was a spokesperson on in Arkansas was a public figure convicted of child porn...

 

[AussieKrissy]

1 minute ago, quiversR4hunting said:

A person elected in local government in my state listed a house with no utilities. It eventually caught up to the person and was removed from office. My point, people could be watching to make sure he is living in the district he wants to represent. 

I hope he is being watched like a hawk to be caught out. 

I love love love that the Duggars were exposed in part because of Mechelle's horrible robocalls.

Jed needs to be aware that people don't like his family and will be watching that he is to the letter correct. 

I hate that JB is such a hypocrite that Jed is allowed to live out of home, when this seems to be one of their fundamental rules, children do leave until marriage.

JB is living through Jed and he can get away with it.

[neuroticcat]

Specific quotes from Bryan Cox: 

The spokesperson could also confirm, “…ongoing federal criminal investigation, however, given that there are no charges filed, HSI doesn’t discuss the nature of any type of investigation until, if or when, charges are filed. I can’t discuss the reason for our being there. ..I’m not able to speak specifically, but in a general sense, when a federal law enforcement agency is at a location pursuant to an “ongoing federal investigation,” there is a very narrow set of circumstances that would apply, and I would say that our presence is consistent with that. I’m just not able to discuss the exact nature,” 

 

[ViolaSebastian]

9 minutes ago, neuroticcat said:

Also another article named “Bryan Cox” as the HSI spokesperson. I have no idea how big the department is or if he speaks for all cases but the other case he was a spokesperson on in Arkansas was a public figure convicted of child porn...

Here's one where he's listed as the spokesperson and it's an ICE raid on a factory: https://apnews.com/08118c58f03a4887953ee368d7adfae6/ICE-detains-dozens-of-workers-in-Arkansas-factory-raid

[closetcagebaby]

5 minutes ago, neuroticcat said:

Specific quotes from Bryan Cox: 

The spokesperson could also confirm, “…ongoing federal criminal investigation, however, given that there are no charges filed, HSI doesn’t discuss the nature of any type of investigation until, if or when, charges are filed. I can’t discuss the reason for our being there. ..I’m not able to speak specifically, but in a general sense, when a federal law enforcement agency is at a location pursuant to an “ongoing federal investigation,” there is a very narrow set of circumstances that would apply, and I would say that our presence is consistent with that. I’m just not able to discuss the exact nature,” 

 

I literally can make no sense of this whatsoever. 
 

Bryan Cox was also listed as an ICE spokesperson in an article for a factory raid of undocumented immigrants, from what I found. 
 

eta: jinx, @ViolaSebastian

Edited November 20, 2019 by closetcagebaby
Jinx

[ofMatthew]

10 minutes ago, neuroticcat said:

Also another article named “Bryan Cox” as the HSI spokesperson. I have no idea how big the department is or if he speaks for all cases but the other case he was a spokesperson on in Arkansas was a public figure convicted of child porn...

 

He is the Communications Director/Press Secretary for ICE, you can find him on LinkedIn. 

[AussieKrissy]

Some mentioned upthread that it is funny that The Smuggars are listed as living at the TTH. 

I the last pic I remember them posting at their house (that had been signed over to JB) was one of the kids Bday parties a male one i think. I notice way more photos from the TTH

Has there been anymore since then? did we know about the move? Is it only on paper?

How long has it been since it happened? Did Josh need more supervision than Anna could handle?

[JenniferJuniper]

3 minutes ago, neuroticcat said:

Specific quotes from Bryan Cox: 

The spokesperson could also confirm, “…ongoing federal criminal investigation, however, given that there are no charges filed, HSI doesn’t discuss the nature of any type of investigation until, if or when, charges are filed. I can’t discuss the reason for our being there. ..I’m not able to speak specifically, but in a general sense, when a federal law enforcement agency is at a location pursuant to an “ongoing federal investigation,” there is a very narrow set of circumstances that would apply, and I would say that our presence is consistent with that. I’m just not able to discuss the exact nature,” 

 

This is why I lean towards financial crimes.  It takes time to go through financial documents. 

Federal prison ain't no joke.  No parole.

 

[closetcagebaby]

Does anyone know why an ICE spokesman might be involved with something not involving undocumented immigrants? 
 

(also, obligatory fuck ICE)

[ViolaSebastian]

1 minute ago, closetcagebaby said:

Does anyone know why an ICE spokesman might be involved with something not involving undocumented immigrants? 
 

(also, obligatory fuck ICE)

I think he's just the spokesperson in general, and the article about the ICE raid (and not just a CP investigation) indicates that.

[SassyPants]

4 minutes ago, JenniferJuniper said:

This is why I lean towards financial crimes.  It takes time to go through financial documents. 

Federal prison ain't no joke.  No parole.

 

Maybe I’m naive and don’t want to think of the most perverse things that Josh could be up to, but I also would bet that this has something to do with less than legal financial practices. That apple did not fall far from the daddy tree.

[Peaches-n-Beans]

2 hours ago, neuroticcat said:

The Crystal Ball lady who first reported the rumors is saying child abuse images (someone also said pornography?) of multiple children under age 15 with international distribution and an arrest within the month. 

 

No idea if it comes from a reliable source but maybe that was her initial tip?

 

ETA link https://mobile.twitter.com/WOACrystalBall/status/1196969212838846465

 

Crystal ball lady is not reliable, I wouldn’t take anything she says too seriously 

[ofMatthew]

7 minutes ago, closetcagebaby said:

Does anyone know why an ICE spokesman might be involved with something not involving undocumented immigrants? 
 

(also, obligatory fuck ICE)

DHS does a number of things, check out their Mission page to get an idea https://www.dhs.gov/mission.

[closetcagebaby]

Just now, ofMatthew said:

DHS does a number of things, check out their Mission page to get an idea https://www.dhs.gov/mission.

I guess I was wondering if it meant anything that he was specifically an ICE spokesperson instead of a normal DHS one. 

[SamiKatz]

Two words:  Jeffrey Epstein.  ?

 

 

[ofMatthew]

1 minute ago, closetcagebaby said:

I guess I was wondering if it meant anything that he was specifically an ICE spokesperson instead of a normal DHS one. 

I'm not sure that it does. It looks like he has been the spokesperson on few different things, I would guess he's just the general Communications Director for the region or something. 

[viii]

I don't want it to be Josh, I'm sick of it being Josh. He's been the black sheep of the family long enough, and I am tired of a lot of their fans believing he's an isolated incident. 

I want the head of the snake - I want Jim Bob to fall. 

[RosyDaisy]

So, HSI is conducting the investigation, but this Bryan Cox who made the recent statement is with ICE.  That tells me there is more than one federal agency involved.  I think there might be some truth to what Katie Joy and her sources are saying.  Something huge and ugly is going on.

[closetcagebaby]

Just now, RosyDaisy said:

So, HSI is conducting the investigation, but this Bryan Cox who made the recent statement is with ICE.  That tells me there is more than one federal agency involved.  I think there might be some truth to what Katie Joy and her sources are saying.  Something huge and ugly is going on.

ICE is under Homeland Security, it’s the same agency. 

[TuringMachine]

11 minutes ago, AussieKrissy said:

Some mentioned upthread that it is funny that The Smuggars are listed as living at the TTH. 

I the last pic I remember them posting at their house (that had been signed over to JB) was one of the kids Bday parties a male one i think. I notice way more photos from the TTH

Has there been anymore since then? did we know about the move? Is it only on paper?

How long has it been since it happened? Did Josh need more supervision than Anna could handle?

The Siloam Springs house (the one signed over) was put up for sale in march. The pictures from the listing made it seem like they had already moved out. see discussion here:

Pictures on Anna's instagram point to them now living in the warehouse "guest house", where they were living while the house was being renovated. It's at the front of the TTH property. These pictures look like it:
 

Spoiler

This looks like the outside of the building

 

Spoiler

I recognize the trim here

 

I don't think we ever determined why they moved out, nor do I think the Duggars have ever acknowledged it.

[SamiKatz]

Pickles must be losing her sh*t.  Just yesterday she said she thought it was all rumors and silliness!

She's been scooped!

I also know I am officially a boomer, 'cause every time I see the abbreviation "NWA", I think of the hip hop group.

Edited November 21, 2019 by SamiKatz