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17 minutes ago, Alisamer said:

And I bet Michelle thinks Josh's problems are the result of the couple years as a baby they were just regular Christian and not as crazy fundie.

As long as the other kids keep scandal free all evidence seem to support this theory. :confusion-shrug:

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If it is DHS (including ICE under that administrative umbrella) my first instinct, given the Duggars are hypocrites to the max, is that it is possible they were maybe investigating employment of undocumented workers. Can't you see JimBob who I assume wants no immigrants exploiting undocumented workers? 

The only person I know arrested by ICE is my old high school teacher who got caught up in a huge ICE raid on undocumented workers tied to human trafficking. His charge was, unfortunately, child porn (which I'm not suggesting here). I just using the example of how things we think are not under any particular jurisdiction (I'm so sorry) might cover things we'd never think of. 

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I have not been following the family for some time, but now of course, I am curious.  Following the links here in this thread, I am reading that Derik has a law clerk position with the Arkansas Attorney General's office, is that correct?  How does that fit into any of this, if at all?  Conflict of interest? :P  Sorry, that struck me as very odd, given Derik's recent comments.

 

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When I saw 'cyber crimes' on the list pages ago - my mind went to the fact that Joshly was involved in setting up websites for people once upon a time as a side business or something back when he and Anna first got married.  

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10 hours ago, MarblesMom said:

The DDoS thing - I assumed we broke FJ.  @Destiny is on it, though.  Hang tough, everyone!

Sorry, i was busy trying to keep things from crashing, but that was intentional. I turn it on when we are getting OMFGPWNT with traffic to help space people out a bit. I left it on to help avoid downtime if things went south while I slept. It's off now.

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People Magazine is a Duggar mouthpiece. I find it hard to believe they'd have touched this if it was all just a wild internet rumor. 

We have no idea what it is or even if Josh was involved.  But something happened.

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I'm hardly an expert on such things, but I've seen so many stories of white collar crimes where people's homes or offices were raided by the FBI without any arrests that I never thought that the Duggars' home being raided would mean a Duggar was arrested.

It doesn't really sound like "raid" is the right word here anyway, though.

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31 minutes ago, Flyinthesoup said:

I have not been following the family for some time, but now of course, I am curious.  Following the links here in this thread, I am reading that Derik has a law clerk position with the Arkansas Attorney General's office, is that correct?  How does that fit into any of this, if at all?  Conflict of interest? :P  Sorry, that struck me as very odd, given Derik's recent comments.

 

That was just his summer job. He’s back in school now. There’s no reason why it would be a conflict of interest in any federal investigation anyway.

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11 minutes ago, Rachel333 said:

I'm hardly an expert on such things, but I've seen so many stories of white collar crimes where people's homes or offices were raided by the FBI without any arrests that I never thought that the Duggars' home being raided would mean a Duggar was arrested.

It doesn't really sound like "raid" is the right word here anyway, though.

Honestly we have no idea. There’s been nothing but a very vague confirmation that they were there. That could mean anything. No one has said if they collected anything while they were there, or questioned anyone, or even how many of them were there. “Raid” certainly suggests that they seized evidence of some kind, I assume computers, but IIRC “raid” was the word used by the post that started the rumor, not by any of the sources or articles. So who the hell knows? 

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46 minutes ago, clueliss said:

When I saw 'cyber crimes' on the list pages ago - my mind went to the fact that Joshly was involved in setting up websites for people once upon a time as a side business or something back when he and Anna first got married.  

Weren’t he and JB (and other Duggars too, IIRC) involved in some sort of credit card processing business?

ETA- JB and the Duggars by association have been involved in so many $$$$ making schemes over the years, it’s not hard to see how he might have been involved in something federally untoward along the way. I’ve always said this about the category of people who hate to work, yet spend so much of their time working the system, wouldn’t it be just as easy to work a 9-5 job? 

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5 minutes ago, usmcmom said:

Now there is this. NLQ seems to know what’s what in this situation.

Is this actually NLQ and they don't know how to spell quivering, or a knockoff?

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29 minutes ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

That was just his summer job. He’s back in school now. There’s no reason why it would be a conflict of interest in any federal investigation anyway.

Thank you!  Yes, after I posted, I realized this was state vs. federal, slip of the memory there.  I didn't realize his position was a summer job, good to know, thank you! 

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4 minutes ago, Destiny said:

Is this actually NLQ and they don't know how to spell quivering, or a knockoff?

This is on the Facebook page. 

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Updated! It was Josh's business, not the house. So it sounds like this is real, and doesn't contradict the Duggars' denial. 

https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/knwa/homeland-security-investigations-raid-duggar-home/

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TONTITOWN, Ark. (KNWA) — On Wednesday, November 20, a Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) spokesperson confirmed the agency was in Arkansas for a federal criminal investigation, but it was at a business associated with Josh Duggar and not a residence, as previously told to KNWA.

HSI Tuesday, November 19, partial interview. An HSI spokesperson said, “[I do not dispute the information that] HSI was present there [Duggar home] pursuant to an on-going federal criminal investigation.”

HSI Tuesday, November 19, partial interview continued. HSI spokesperson said, “So I can basically confirm that we were there pursuant to an ongoing federal investigation.”

Agents went to a business at the 14000-block of Wildcat Creek Road, Springdale, Arkansas. “I do not dispute the information you’ve obtained. That is the location that we were. I can’t speak to the status of any ongoing investigation. But, I do not dispute that we were present at that specific address,” said HSI Spokesperson Bryan Cox.

The spokesperson could also confirm, “…ongoing federal criminal investigation, however, given that there are no charges filed, HSI doesn’t discuss the nature of any type of investigation until, if or when, charges are filed. I can’t discuss the reason for our being there.”

KNWA asked HSI if Josh Duggar is part of the investigation.

Josh Duggar

“I can’t speak to any individual that may be under investigation. So I can confirm that we were at that address. And spoke to individuals at that location. But I can’t discuss any individuals by name.”

KNWA asked if the Springdale visit by HSI at Wholesale Motorcars was a raid or a search.

“I’m not able to speak specifically, but in a general sense, when a federal law enforcement agency is at a location pursuant to an “ongoing federal investigation,” there is a very narrow set of circumstances that would apply, and I would say that our presence is consistent with that. I’m just not able to discuss the exact nature,” according to HSI’s spokesperson.

KNWA contacted the Washington County Collector’s Office and confirmed the address of a business listing, where HSI agents were present, was Wholesale Motorcars, 14969 Wildcat Creek Road, Springdale, Arkansas. As of 2019, this location has Josh Duggar listed as the contact for the business, but he is not listed as the property owner.

According to Washington County Personal Property Records, the address listed for Joshua and Anna Duggar is the same as his parents, Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar, in Tontitown, Arkansas.

The U.S. District Attorney for Western Arkansas spokesperson said the agency doesn’t have a comment at this time.

KNWA reached out for comment to Chad Gallagher, the family’s publicist.

 

 

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Re: the reports that the car lot is closed and law enforcement is there, I was going to throw out a note of caution that it could be closed for all sorts of reasons (like maybe Anna is in labour), and if law enforcement is even there it could be for something completely unrelated. But now that HSI is confirming they were there as part of a criminal investigation, I’m definitely more ready to believe that something LE-related may be going on there today.

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The quote that they are talking about a “very limited range of things” makes me think financial shenanigans or child porn.  And given that it’s Josh and his car lot, the Duggar’s official statement is technically truthful...

 

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Isn't federal crime the worse type of crime. I'm sure in the US there is different levels of crime so you have civil and federal or something like that. Either way it doesn't exactly sound good. If it is child porn or molestation then I hope he is sent to prison for a long time.

Been waiting all day for a development, forgetting that Arkansas are 6 hours behind the UK.

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1 minute ago, jillsdopplerofdoom said:

Isn't federal crime the worse type of crime. I'm sure in the US there is different levels of crime so you have civil and federal or something like that. Either way it doesn't exactly sound good.

Been waiting all day for a development, forgetting that Arkansas are 6 hours behind the UK.

Federal crimes don’t necessarily mean “worse” - it usually means it involves crime in more than one state or across state lines. 

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29 minutes ago, usmcmom said:

This is on the Facebook page.

Thanks. I quit going to NLQ when it went off the rails years ago and I guess I forgot that they had a special spelling.

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I’m thinking maybe they have one or more undocumented immigrants working for them?

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Backing up a bit, I saw the first part of one of the local news station's videos where they were camped across the road from the TTH. The shot showed Jana walking from the main driveway across the road to speak with the reporter/s, then my internet misbehaved so I didn't see the entire video. But, I thought it strange that Jana was the one sent out to be among unknown man/men, unchaperoned, for such a statement or denial or whatever it was. Either JB/M were not home (likely) or are complete cowards (also likely.)

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