Duggars Raided by Homeland Security

[neuroticcat]

1 minute ago, Bobology said:

Backing up a bit, I saw the first part of one of the local news station's videos where they were camped across the road from the TTH. The shot showed Jana walking from the main driveway across the road to speak with the reporter/s, then my internet misbehaved so I didn't see the entire video. But, I thought it strange that Jana was the one sent out to be among unknown man/men, unchaperoned, for such a statement or denial or whatever it was. Either JB/M were not home (likely) or are complete cowards (also likely.)

In the written report it said she just shook her head “no” so maybe didn’t speak with them? 

If if it is all Josh related they could have been asking if he was there or something like that too. In their defense, the rest of the clan may be completely uninvolved and unaware...

[Flyinthesoup]

The photo used in conjunction with the story, the white vehicles outside the main house, are those all personal vehicles?  

[neuroticcat]

I’m confused. The address listed in the article is the Duggars’ compound. But it also speaks about the car lot.

Unless they have another car lot at their home address - which is conceivable - it seems like HS visited two locations. 

Do narcotics fall under HS? Because I could definitely see opioids being involved. 

[Marmion]

Just speculating , but if involved the car dealership ,the investigation might concern automotive theft  .  https://oppositelock.kinja.com/when-a-dealer-sells-you-a-stolen-car-1656747820  ,  http://carconsumers.org/blog/2012/11/14/dealers-sell-stolen-cars/    Although , like many here I was initially  expecting , and hoping that it would have been in regards to the questionable conduct taken by Medic Corps .  From what I have just recently read , they were throwing their weight around , and even trying to push around the Navy .  https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/counting-on-rumors-suggest-that-the-duggars-trip-to-the-bahamas-was-far-from-helpful.html/  , https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/slideshows/the-duggars-hurricane-relief-efforts-did-they-do-more-harm-than/page-3.html So from the sounds of it , they were acting like the Citizens Auxiliary Police  .  Although they might believe that their ALERT training  makes them on par with military , and emergency personnel , the actual military , including the Coast Guard , which if I understand correctly falls under the Department of Homeland Security umbrella , does not take kindly to civilians trying to upstage them .  And I would be pleased if there were to be enough of a case built to finally shut down this paramilitary cult for good .  

Edited November 20, 2019 by Marmion

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6 hours ago, nelliebelle1197 said:

By the way, why has no one speculated that this could be related to Gothard. Bill Gothard could have easily been involved in child molestation, human trafficking or worse.

This is what happened in the cult I was raised in. It was eventually taken down because it came to light that the leader was molesting women, plus financial things. I wouldn't be surprised if Gothard was involved. 

1 hour ago, JenniferJuniper said:

People Magazine is a Duggar mouthpiece. I find it hard to believe they'd have touched this if it was all just a wild internet rumor. 

Agreed - People magazine is generally very careful with what they report, because they are seen as a more "reputable" media company. Something 100% happened. 

A lot of the Duggar's denial is making me laugh and reminds me of Taylor Hanson - denied to fans that his family was growing when his wife was already pregnant, LOL. The truth always comes to light. 

[nst]

now tmz is reporting homeland is raiding his office

could it be true that HE IS GOING DOWN !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marmion]

4 minutes ago, nst said:

now tmz is reporting homeland is raiding his office

could it be true that HE IS GOING DOWN !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I take it that this is the article you were referring to .   https://www.tmz.com/2019/11/20/josh-duggar-office-homeland-security-raid-investigation/  

[squiddysquid]

1 hour ago, Rachel333 said:

Updated! It was Josh's business, not the house. So it sounds like this is real, and doesn't contradict the Duggars' denial. 

https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/knwa/homeland-security-investigations-raid-duggar-home/

 

The fact that they only raided the car dealership and not his home makes me hopeful that it was over something financial and not anything like child porn.

Interesting that Josh is not the owner of the property. And Josh and Anna are listed as living at the big Duggar house? I thought they had their own place now.

[closetcagebaby]

If tmz says there’s something, there’s something!

4 minutes ago, squiddysquid said:

The fact that they only raided the car dealership and not his home makes me hopeful that it was over something financial and not anything like child porn.

Interesting that Josh is not the owner of the property. And Josh and Anna are listed as living at the big Duggar house? I thought they had their own place now.

If they live in the guest house on the main Duggar property, is that the same address?

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

I think JB had Joshly at home to keep him from blowing up everything JB scammed and schemed to fund his cult support his family for the foreseeable future.  Seems it didn't work. 

[Hashtag Blessed]

7 minutes ago, squiddysquid said:

The fact that they only raided the car dealership and not his home makes me hopeful that it was over something financial and not anything like child porn.

Oh, I had the exact opposite thought. I though CP was equally likely at his office because where else is he likely to have unsupervised computer time? 

[Cleopatra7]

I’m a bit confused about the dealership. I thought it was sold to that non Duggar guy we saw early on in 19kac who was actually doing the work. Then again, none of the Duggar business dealings make any sense, which could be why there’s an investigation. I would think that Josh might be slightly more computer literate than his other siblings due to his “work” at the FRC, so I can see him being able to circumvent any acccountability partners or filters he might have on his work computer.

[libgirl2]

3 minutes ago, Hashtag Blessed said:

Oh, I had the exact opposite thought. I though CP was equally likely at his office because where else is he likely to have unsupervised computer time? 

Ahh.... very true. 

[Glasgowghirl]

This is still so confusing, I bet they sent Jana out to deal with the press because they were cowards, the same way Jill and Jessa were roped into going on TV to defend Josh after the molestation scandal came out. If something has happened again then TLC need to ditch the show for good this time. 

[rebeccawriter01]

16 minutes ago, Hashtag Blessed said:

Oh, I had the exact opposite thought. I though CP was equally likely at his office because where else is he likely to have unsupervised computer time? 

The issue I have with believing this has to do with CP is that the children were not taken from the home where he lives. No matter where they found it, protocol would have HSI working  with local authorities to remove any underage children from the home until other adults in the family were either cleared or a temporary home was found for them. 

Not to say I don't think Josh would do it. I just think that what we know so far doesn't lend itself to that sort of thing. Authorities aren't going to raid a place looking for something that endangers children only to leave children there to be harmed. While there are obvious cases where children have been left in harm's way, HSI investigators are smart enough to know that the family's presence on television would draw attention to these happenings and would want to go by the book rather than make mistakes. 

[albireo]

Apologies if I get something wrong. If it were CP, why would HSI raid only the business? Wouldn't they want to go to the home to find any and all possible evidence? I'm leaning toward financial crimes of some sort, maybe money laundering through the car lot.

[neuroticcat]

So it seems like the car lot is on the Duggar property?  Which isn’t surprising given all the cars parked there. Looks like Josh got in trouble s few years back for not having a commercial permit in a residential area. Maybe that’s why there is all the confusion?

 

And I think J and A have lived somewhere on the property since their house sold.

From Radar:

“As readers know, Radar exclusively revealed that Josh’s car business was caught in violation of an ordinance requiring his business to have a permit in 2018.

“We have one zoning designation in the county to allow single-family residential or agricultural uses,” a planning official in Washington County told Radar at the time. “Anything else requires a conditional use permit to request a zoning change.”

 

[nausicaa]

16 hours ago, tabitha2 said:

If this has to do with Guns or arms after all it really does not sound like a Josh thing but rather John David and those  young adult ALERT Cosplayer Middle boys. So maybe this time poor Abby not poor Anna. 

I think that would fall under ATF's purview and the U.S. Marshals would be involved. 

I would actually be more worried that it's something more sinister if it were the FBI. My guess says this is some kind of tax scam thing. I don't think Jim Bob is a violent militia type. I do think however he is real shady with money. 

[Hashtag Blessed]

4 minutes ago, rebeccawriter01 said:

The issue I have with believing this has to do with CP is that the children were not taken from the home where he lives. No matter where they found it, protocol would have HSI working  with local authorities to remove any underage children from the home until other adults in the family were either cleared or a temporary home was found for them. 

Not to say I don't think Josh would do it. I just think that what we know so far doesn't lend itself to that sort of thing. Authorities aren't going to raid a place looking for something that endangers children only to leave children there to be harmed. While there are obvious cases where children have been left in harm's way, HSI investigators are smart enough to know that the family's presence on television would draw attention to these happenings and would want to go by the book rather than make mistakes. 

Fair point but would we even hear anything if the children had been removed? I’m not saying this has happened, I’m just wondering if or how it would get out that the kids had been taken into temporary care. Anna hasn’t posted anything on Instagram for a few days. Has there been any other public indication that she hasn’t been separated from her kids?

3 minutes ago, albireo said:

Apologies if I get something wrong. If it were CP, why would HSI raid only the business? Wouldn't they want to go to the home to find any and all possible evidence? I'm leaning toward financial crimes of some sort, maybe money laundering through the car lot.

I’m very confused about where was visited by HSI. Because originally the rumor was both home and business. Then just home, then Just business? But someone said the address listed in the updated article was the Duggar compound? So do we even have confirmation that It was only the business? @neuroticcatjust pointed out that the business and residence have the same address so they may have visited one or both. Honestly, I don’t think anything can be ruled out at the moment. 

[fundiefollower]

Where does Jed live?  I saw in an article that he said he doesn't live there and doesn't know anything?

[Don'tlikekoolaid]

I think if you are foolish enough to marry a male Duggar you should be prepared for all sorts of wtfery.  If one of them did a little jail time it might be the slap on the head this family of entitled idiots needs.

[neuroticcat]

7 minutes ago, Hashtag Blessed said:

Fair point but would we even hear anything if the children had been removed? I’m not saying this has happened, I’m just wondering if or how it would get out that the kids had been taken into temporary care. Anna hasn’t posted anything on Instagram for a few days. Has there been any other public indication that she hasn’t been separated from her kids?

I’m very confused about where was visited by HSI. Because originally the rumor was both home and business. Then just home, then Just business? But someone said the address listed in the updated article was the Duggar compound? So do we even have confirmation that It was only the business? @neuroticcatjust pointed out that the business and residence have the same address so they may have visited one or both. Honestly, I don’t think anything can be ruled out at the moment. 

I’m not 100% sure but it looks to me from google satellite that the address listed on Wildcat Rd. is the Duggar compound. The article says  J and A home address is same as M and JB, so I’m guessing they live in a guest house there or something like Joe and Kendra’s set up.

I’m speculating that there is a car lot there too based on the radar info but it’s all still  pretty murky to me too.

[SassyPants]

I thought the Duggars did have a used car lot on their property, but I thought that was in addition to Josh’s car lot.  Isn’t Joe also involved in the car/towing lot business?

[quiversR4hunting]

10 minutes ago, fundiefollower said:

Where does Jed live?  I saw in an article that he said he doesn't live there and doesn't know anything?

he is running for office which is not in the same district where jimbob and michelle live so he has to live in the district where he is running. As for what is address is, no idea but I assume it would be on the form he has to fill out to announce his candidacy. 

[Hashtag Blessed]

@neuroticcat I’m sure HSI’s statements are purposely murky to keep the press, and people like us, from speculating wildly. Joke’s on them, because that won’t stop us!