Mrs. Midwest 2: Full of WTF

[ViolaSebastian]

13 minutes ago, Mushroom said:

I saw someone posted her Quora answers a few pages back but I didn't see anyone posting her questions. They are a bit telling, but also... there is so much personal information about her all over the internet. You would think with her degree she would've scrubbed a lot of this right when her channel started gaining traction.

Those are just exceedingly, exceedingly sad. As someone with an estranged, narcissistic parent, I feel for her--if that's what the issue is. But she seems to be back on terms with her father, at least, as she follows his Instagram. I don't think for a moment she's let on to what exactly happened between her and her parents.

[kaluce]

1 hour ago, Mushroom said:

You would think with her degree she would've scrubbed a lot of this right when her channel started gaining traction.

I think she began to, since her reddit and Linkedin (I think) is gone. But yeah- definitely weird she would leave this and her old twitter. Maybe she doesn't have access to the accounts anymore? But possibly she's also just really young and dumb and doesn't realize that this alt-right nonsense is ultimately a bad look and if she _ever_ wants to actually do something else with her life, she might have a hard time.  

[ViolaSebastian]

2 hours ago, kaluce said:

I think she began to, since her reddit and Linkedin (I think) is gone. But yeah- definitely weird she would leave this and her old twitter. Maybe she doesn't have access to the accounts anymore? But possibly she's also just really young and dumb and doesn't realize that this alt-right nonsense is ultimately a bad look and if she _ever_ wants to actually do something else with her life, she might have a hard time.  

In her interview with Yogi, she said it was okay for her to say whatever she wanted because she isn’t working and doesn’t have to worry about what she says. Which struck me as exceedingly naive. Sometimes, there comes a point in life where you HAVE to work to survive. Grant works a dangerous job. What happens if he gets injured? I’m curious how much money she’s getting from the YouTube channel. 

[ViolaSebastian]

 

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[JermajestyDuggar]

He shows time and time again that he knows nothing about women and nothing in general. He’s so ignorant I think he was kicked out of college because he couldn’t hack it. 

[ViolaSebastian]

I've known unhappy women who get pregnant. They turn into unhappy women who now have a baby. Pregnancy is hard. Having a newborn is rough. There's a lack of support for pregnant and new mothers here in the U.S. Giving birth costs money and is physically taxing at best, deadly at worst. Adding a completely dependent little person who can't sleep through the night to an already tenuous situation doesn't make that person happier. I'm not discounting that children can bring great joy, but I've never seen a miserable situation made better by the addition of a child. I'm sure it can happen, but I must say I've never seen it. 

Edited December 5, 2019 by ViolaSebastian

[kaluce]

30 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

 

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Its interesting that sex isn't on his list lololol. 

[ViolaSebastian]

Yogi clearly doesn't get that even in conservative Christianity, submission doesn't mean that women are required to submit to just any old penis-holder on the street just because he has the necessary private bits. It's considered a sacred bond between a woman and her husband. He just wants all women, everywhere, to defer to him, without realizing the crucial piece of it is supposed to be that you've participated in a covenant--marriage. It's not just following the leadership of anyone who is male. He's missing that, and it's important. 

He's trying to bring in the traditionalist viewers who are religious by pandering to Christian beliefs, without having even a basic understanding of what those are--and therefore, he looks like, as Bugs Bunny would say, "a complete maroon" when he talks about submission and other matters relating to faith. For example, there's a tweet where he calls King Solomon a God. There's also this:

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A man must protect his woman from himself. The Bible states: "...husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered." 1 Peter 3:7

That verse is basically don't be cruel and demeaning to your wife, just because you could physically beat her up due to her smaller size. If you are cruel and demeaning, your prayers aren't going to be answered by God, because it's that big of a no-no.

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/understanding-husbands/

Dude, just stop. Go and get married, have a bunch of a kids, and study the Bible, if that's what he wants everybody else to do. Go do that for 25 years, and THEN come back and give advice. Because right now, Yogi isn't living life by the principles he espouses, and he sounds like a freaking idiot because of it. He has no experience with what he's discussing. He needs to get his own house in order and get some experience with what he's saying before he tries to give advice to other men and to women. Ridiculous. 

[ViolaSebastian]

NO. NO. 

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[quiversR4hunting]

8 hours ago, ViolaSebastian said:

Sometimes, there comes a point in life where you HAVE to work to survive. Grant works a dangerous job. What happens if he gets injured?

To illustrate your point, 5 police officers were shot in 12 days (11/20 to 12/2) in Michigan. 1 of the 5 died.  2 different incidents in 2 different sides of the state. -

2 in Detroit: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2019/11/20/detroit-police-officers-shot-west-side/4255709002/  both were Detroit police officers

3 in Kalamazoo area - https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/12/02/police-officers-shot-comstock-kalamazoo/4350119002/ one was a county deputy, one was a state police trooper and the third was a Kalamazoo city officer.

12 hours ago, ViolaSebastian said:

Those are just exceedingly, exceedingly sad. As someone with an estranged, narcissistic parent, I feel for her--if that's what the issue is. But she seems to be back on terms with her father, at least, as she follows his Instagram. I don't think for a moment she's let on to what exactly happened between her and her parents.

After reading more and more about her and who she follows, I am leaning towards that she is the problem. Maybe her parents put up boundaries or disagreed with one or many of her decisions or maybe the cut her off financially, etc. 

[ViolaSebastian]

[ViolaSebastian]

Yeah, fuck those women. They didn't need c-sections, they just died! 

[kaluce]

At this point, I'm convinced he doesn't actually believe this shit but rather that he's just trying to get a reaction and notoriety. All press is good press, right?

[Skyline]

2 hours ago, ViolaSebastian said:

Wtf, I can't even... I'm looking at a csection because twin a is breech. Why don't they let you deliver a breech twin first when the other is head down? Look up locked twins (seriously do not do this if you do not want nightmares)!

So yeah, I'm going to have a section so that my children and I do not end up dead! 

Now I have to go to work and all I really want to do is punch this guy in the throat. 

[ViolaSebastian]

32 minutes ago, kaluce said:

At this point, I'm convinced he doesn't actually believe this shit but rather that he's just trying to get a reaction and notoriety. All press is good press, right?

My interpretation is that he's dumb as a box of hair and honestly believes what he's spouting. I also think his core beliefs change to fit the current situation he finds himself in. For example, as of January 1st of 2019, he said that he was absolutely against marriage (divorce rape, etc.), but open to having kids. 

Buuuuuuuuuut..............

Then, interestingly, at the end of January and the beginning of February, he starts retweeting Caitlin's stuff and then does her infamous interview with her, where we gleaned a lot of pre-fame info on her descent into Red Pill madness. Of note, he also says that he quit pornography as of January 6th.

He also posts this, immediately before the posting of his interview with Caitlin:

The tweets slowly start to be more about femininity and submission. In March, he tweets this, his first mention about virginity:

Suddenly he starts talking about things related to childbirth, which is a weird move for a former MGTOW and PUA, right? I won't repost the c-section stuff, but here's him talking (poorly) about purity. WTF, right?

In July of 2019, he took his first trip to Sweden, presumably to meet Mrs. Future YogiOAbs aka "Baby Factory."

And then, BOOM. He confesses that he's dating a Christian woman. 

So. The question this evolution poses is this: did meeting Mrs. Midwest start to push him from MGTOW to #Tradlife? Did he decide he wanted a Christian, virgin woman like her as a wife? Did he find a Christian woman to be in Mrs. Midwest's place, since she's unavailable? Who knows, but he's definitely changed over the course of a year, and it's pretty pathetic. Usually by the time you're in your thirties, you've managed to figure out who the hell you are and live by it. This is the kind of stuff I'd expect from someone in their late teens. 

Edited December 6, 2019 by ViolaSebastian

[theotherelise]

I watched the Mad Men episode where Betty Draper gives birth with my mom. I'd never heard of twilight births before that and was nauseated by the depiction of birth for even very rich white women. We then had a good conversation with my grandma about her experiences birthing 5 children from 1957-1970. It is absolutely terrifying how badly women have been treated over the years by the medical community. My grandma is a white woman, so she faced less I'm sure than others, but she was an exceedingly poor teenager (married to someone her parents' age) giving birth at a public hospital for the first couple kids. 

Serena Williams almost died after her daughter's birth. Any rational person identifies these kinds of situations as the real problems with birth, not any *possible* over-reliance on c-sections. I do think we in the western world could learn a lot about how other cultures handle birth and postpartum. But again, c-sections are so not the problem.

[ViolaSebastian]

43 minutes ago, theotherelise said:

Serena Williams almost died after her daughter's birth. Any rational person identifies these kinds of situations as the real problems with birth, not any *possible* over-reliance on c-sections. I do think we in the western world could learn a lot about how other cultures handle birth and postpartum. But again, c-sections are so not the problem.

From what I understand, there's a whole boatload of reasons for the inflated c-section rate in the United States. Here's some excerpts from a really good article on The Bump:

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Experts don’t believe it’s biological need that has hiked up the c-section rates, pointing to the fact that the rates vary so widely from region to region and from hospital to hospital. 

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“it turns out that in 2017, a mom’s biggest risk factor for getting a c-section is not her personal preferences or her medical record,” Shah says. “It’s which hospital she goes to.”

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But in his own research, Shah has seen that c-sections have gone up among 18-year-olds and 35-year-olds alike, so it’s not a matter of age.

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Moms aren’t any more likely to request c-sections than they used to, Shah says–only 0.5 percent of moms request a c-section for their first baby.

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Shah’s working theory, which is featured in a study published in the journal Obstetrics & Gynecology in July, suggests that hospital design combined with vague protocols create a perfect storm for c-sections.

https://www.thebump.com/a/c-section-rate-problems

There's also all these hypotheses:

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doctors are generally paid quite a bit more for a C-section than for a vaginal birth. This financial nudge might just have something to do with the rate of non-indicated C-sections in the U.S.

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And the fact is that a lot of C-sections are performed in clinical gray areas, where the necessity is not clear—for reasons like “abnormal labor progress,” or out of concern for the baby’s safety based on the fetal heart tracing (an intervention notoriously poor at identifying babies who truly are at risk if they continue in labor). 

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Hospitals also tend to be risk-averse; many have developed systems that are intended to improve patient safety, but may result in pressure to perform C-sections rather than letting labor continue. 

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 Studies have also found that C-sections—especially first-time C-sections—spike around morning, lunchtime, and the end of the day, which could be (could be) interpreted as induced demand by doctors who are responding to scheduling pressures: getting to office hours, eating lunch, going home.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/c-section-rate-high/600172/

Basically, here's my point: there's a whole boatload of reasons why our c-section rate is higher than other developed nations. But NONE of those potential reasons comes down to "Women suck. They suck so bad. They suck so bad they can't even give birth anymore." NONE OF THEM.

@Skyline, I wish you the best for the birth of your twins. May you have a happy and safe delivery. You're doing the best thing for you and your babies, and that makes you a great mama already. ?

ETA: Before I forget, I want to address the "Native American women don't feel pain" bit. That's a gross bit of racist holdover from the Victorian. Women of color were routinely thought to experience less pain than white women. It wasn't true and it isn't true, but it's still a part of discussion we're having in 2019, FFS. In any case, this means that women of color are frequently given less pain medication than they need--and that's tragically awful. So let's not go around repeating that shit, shall we?

Edited December 6, 2019 by ViolaSebastian

[Marmion]

23 hours ago, ViolaSebastian said:

He's trying to bring in the traditionalist viewers who are religious by pandering to Christian beliefs, without having even a basic understanding of what those are--and therefore, he looks like, as Bugs Bunny would say, "a complete maroon" when he talks about submission and other matters relating to faith. For example, there's a tweet where he calls King Solomon a God

I suppose that Avishek Saha ( YogiOabs) took these Bible passages , referring to Solomon , literally .  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Chronicles+17+%3A+3-14&version=NKJV    https://www.jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/must-the-messiah-be-a-descendent-of-solomon/   

[ViolaSebastian]

Grab hold of your WTF buttons, because I found Yogi's LinkedIn. Apparently he went to University of Maryland and got a degree in Kinesiology AND neuroscience. He says he spent four years getting his master's and doctorate at the National University of Natural Medicine, but interestingly doesn't list himself as having a master's degree in anything. 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/avishek-k-saha

However, this says this he minored in neuroscience. Maybe I'm reading LinkedIn wrong?

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I also minored in neuroscience because I found that stuff interesting but haven’t done anything with it in my life so it wasn’t really that important.

Also, apparently this is also a reason he left school:

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During my first shift in the clinic, I got in trouble for asking questions that were too critical of practices in the shift. I noticed mistakes that were made and aimed to respectfully discuss them. But I was met with threats, and subsequently was failed, and then suspended afterwards for one year. I decided not to return and the experience was certainly not easy (and I have tremendous student debt of course).

I was also working on a masters degree which further shaped my thinking. I studied biostatistics and epidemiology and understood the research process on a deeper level. But I left that program as well in August of 2017 after the one lab the school could afford shut down due to lack of funding (I also wondered if they did it on purpose to kick me out). After leaving the institution I wrote How You’re Meant to Eat, my book on intuitive eating, which is designed to teach you how to eat without thinking, as you would before the confusion that exists today.

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The stresses of medical school were high indeed ...

However, to my knowledge, the school doesn't offer a duel doctoral/master's program. So he was in med school and a grad student at the same time? And they let people with just undergrad degrees work in the clinic? What am I missing here?

https://www.stopbeingconfusedabouthealth.com/me/

[Giraffe]

I don’t get it. What you quoted makes it sound like he didn’t graduate because mean people had it out for him. But yet he has the degree? I’m confused. (Not by you, @ViolaSebastian, but by the convoluted way he wrote. It reads very much as “I am better than everyone and smarter than everyone but they couldn’t see it and so they punished me, waaahhh!”)

[AmericanRose]

Apparently he attended the University of Maryland from 2009-2013 (and was the President and Founder of Complementary and Alternative Medicine Club from 2011-2013). And from 2014-2017 he attended the National University of Natural Medicine, which is the school he dropped out from.

One of his interests on LinkedIn is Oprah 

Per one of his recent Tweets, he has a girlfriend.

[ViolaSebastian]

 

Typically people take two years to get their masters degree. He was at NUNM for three years and walked away without a master’s degree. He was probably in the concurrent program; I was wrong about them not offering that. 

It also looks like he could have possibly been in a clinic in the first semester, which terrifies me:

If I may shamelessly brag a moment, I enjoy that I managed to become a Master of Science even with my irrational, illogical lady brain and this guy did not. 

But...sigh. 

Edited December 7, 2019 by ViolaSebastian

[JermajestyDuggar]

Does his girlfriend need a green card really bad or something? Who would put up with a sexist, idiotic, man child like him? He has no money. She must be desperate to stay in the US for some reason. I can’t imagine anyone finding this guy attractive. Plus she doesn’t have to have sex with him until they are married. Which is probably a plus.

[ViolaSebastian]

2 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Does his girlfriend need a green card really bad or something? Who would put up with a sexist, idiotic, man child like him? He has no money. She must be desperate to stay in the US for some reason. I can’t imagine anyone finding this guy attractive. Plus she doesn’t have to have sex with him until they are married. Which is probably a plus.

Maybe her grasp on English is poor and his grasp on Swedish is terrible and they can't understand most of what the other is saying?....I'm grasping at straws here. 

Edited December 7, 2019 by ViolaSebastian

[Giraffe]

3 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Does his girlfriend need a green card really bad or something? Who would put up with a sexist, idiotic, man child like him? He has no money. She must be desperate to stay in the US for some reason. I can’t imagine anyone finding this guy attractive. Plus she doesn’t have to have sex with him until they are married. Which is probably a plus.

Looking back at my own life, I probably would’ve been all over him in my early twenties! Thankfully I’ve learned better, but 15, 20 years ago?
 

I was the one to “rescue” a man from the world and change him while helping the world see he’s not the asshole he portrays himself to be...until the day I woke up and realized I was in a relationship with an asshole who cared only about himself and that yes, he truly was every bit as much of a gaslighting, abusive user that he told me* he was initially.
 

Eventually one of the things that helped me walk away was something Maya Angelou had said on Oprah many years earlier: “when someone tells you who they are, believe them.” That was huge for me. Helped me see maybe the guy who’s telling me he’s an asshole...is actually an asshole.

 

*For real. Asshole literally told me he used people but I didn’t understand that he was telling me the truth! Over the years I’ve learned that’s a thing - (some) narcissists will outright tell their intimate partner about the mindf’ry they’re doing and yet at the time I felt so grateful he was willing to be transparent with me. Nope, not transparent. His way of getting his claws in even deeper - he could blame me later on. “I told you what I was!” ?