Mrs. Midwest 2: Full of WTF

[nelliebelle1197]

You know, I can't even with this one.

 

[ViolaSebastian]

I was going to suggest “Mrs. Midwest and her Basket of Deplorables,” but this is great too. ?

In other news, we now have confirmation Yogi was in a cult. So there’s that. 

[kaluce]

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It's so easy to feel like being at home is a sort of "lounge-time." And for many hard working women, being at home IS a lounge time! Home used to be a place or women to stretch their working limbs, pick up a day planner, and master the homemaking, in a nice skirt and everything. But now, as our work has slowly transferred outside the home, we often treat our homes like how we treated our bedrooms as teenagers.
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Just like our teen bedrooms, our homes can become a place to crash after a long day, maybe a place to stash a ton of cups and plates, and definitely not a place to sit around in a nice pair of designer jeans and a blouse.

From her most recent blog. It must suck to feel like your home is not a place to relax, but rather yet another area in which we must perform- yes perform- femininity. 

I work. I own my own home with my husband. It is not a trash pile, nor do I treat it like I treated my "teenage bedroom". But you're damn crazy if you suggest it's somehow less-than to lounge in my sweatpants when I get off of work. No one is gonna catch me in on my couch in a fucking ball gown because of some internalized belief that I'm always on display. 

[Hane]

@kaluce, I am not now nor have I ever been a meticulous housekeeper, but her ridiculous demand that we perform femininity in our own freaking houses infuriates me. My house is my “soft place to land,” my sanctum. Anyone who doesn’t like it is free to GTFO.

[ViolaSebastian]

I work from home the majority of the time, so I can see (sorta) where her advice is coming from. It helps me psychologically to get up, get showered, and get dressed. I have more motivation and focus when I get dressed in the morning and then actually start my day, rather than rolling into it at 11 after two cups of coffee and catching up on last night's TV shows. But, honestly, anyone who works from home (in any capacity) will tell you the same thing, as will any blog post with tips about working from home.* 

It is sad that her home isn't a place of refuge. For crying out loud, in my opinion, that's the *first* thing a home should be, regardless of the employment status of the individuals that reside in it. I mean, isn't that why she's saying homemaking is important? So it can be a pleasant, comfortable place that means safety from the outside world? And that's really what a refuge is defined as:

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ref·uge

/ˈrefˌyo͞oj,ˈrefˌyo͞oZH/

noun

a condition of being safe or sheltered from pursuit, danger, or trouble.

A home should be a safe place. Maybe that's partly my profession talking, but that's number one on my list. My partner should feel safe, my children should feel safe, my guests should feel safe, and just as important, I should feel safe. It's not a home unless the people in it are safe as realistically possible. That is, even as a single, working woman, my number one goal. Even if we have conflict, even if there's stuff going on in our outside worlds, a home is our safe place where we can be ourselves.

My home has to be a place I laze around in AND a place I get work done in. That can be challenging, but there are ways around it, like having good boundaries with e-mails and work-related texts. Also by having a routine and a planner. But my home isn't just a place to get shit done in, and I think, honestly, making a home a refuge is at the heart of homemaking. It's a comfortable and beautiful place for your friends, family, and yourself to make memories. A refuge that isn't like the outside world, a place that's your own private little utopia, as much as it can be. Create that feeling and you're a homemaker, no matter your level of femininity. 

*https://www.inc.com/christina-desmarais/get-more-done-18-tips-for-telecommuters.html

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Hrm...

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So when I began staying home, it was easy to feel like I was on one long vacation or sick day! I wanted to stay in my pyjamas, role up in a blanket burrito, and stream shows until I was blue in the face.

 

Edited November 20, 2019 by ViolaSebastian

[ViolaSebastian]

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I had no idea that 11 year old me was SO similar to who I am now as an adult.

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70 years ago, we used to all have to get married and stay home, but now society is pushing women to be masculine boss babes and not even DREAM about the idea of "needing" a man, or wanting children "too soon.

Ugh, she needs to get out of here with this bullshit. That is point-blank not true. Women who were poor had to work. Women who were on farms had to work. Women of color, disproportionately, had to work. Women did season work--for example, Bearfriend's grandmother worked as a cook when men from neighboring counties came to different farms to take in the tobacco harvest in the late summer. Women worked from home, doing laundry or handicrafts or teaching music lessons. Impoverished women worked in mills or factories. Impoverished women who felt they had no other choice worked as sex workers. This full-time homemaker thing is a middle to upper class fantasy that very, very few women were afforded, even in the 20th century. 

ETA: I've watched this Bozo mispronounce "Ecclesiastes" at 24:06 ten times, because it's so hilarious that he'd mispronounce this so hard and then claim it's his favorite book of the Bible.

 

Edited November 20, 2019 by ViolaSebastian

[quiversR4hunting]

Mr. Atheist has a new video explaining why Mrs. Midwest is harmful. He does a good job.

 

[ViolaSebastian]

20 minutes ago, quiversR4hunting said:

Mr. Atheist has a new video explaining why Mrs. Midwest is harmful. He does a good job.

 

IMHO, Jimmy nailed it with this video. 

Also, from Yogi. Yep, we women just naturally love to clean, and our smaller hands are much better for cleaning down the side of car seats. Or something:

[JermajestyDuggar]

I totally agree with Jimmy that Caitlyn is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I think GD can be fake, but Caitlyn takes it to a whole new level. I don’t think everyone has to agree with who is worse. I like these videos because it hashes out a lot of info on both and it makes people think. Winning the debate as to who is worse is not the point of these videos in my opinion. It’s exposing Caitlyn for who she is that matters. Jimmy even whipped out a shitty tweet that Yogi made that Caitlyn liked. It’s funny because Jimmy is seeing all the stuff we’ve been looking at for awhile. I think God is Grey just didn’t see everything on Caitlyn and that’s probably why she came to her convlusion that GD is worse. But to be honest, they are both insanely harmful. So that’s all I want for people to get out of these videos.

19 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

IMHO, Jimmy nailed it with this video. 

Also, from Yogi. Yep, we women just naturally love to clean, and our smaller hands are much better for cleaning down the side of car seats. Or something:

So I guess single little Yogi Bear lives in absolute filth because he can’t figure out how to clean since he has a penis. 

[ViolaSebastian]

 

5 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I totally agree with Jimmy that Caitlyn is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I think GD can be fake, but Caitlyn takes it to a whole new level. I don’t think everyone has to agree with who is worse. I like these videos because it hashes out a lot of info on both and it makes people think. Winning the debate as to who is worse is not the point of these videos in my opinion. It’s exposing Caitlyn for who she is that matters. Jimmy even whipped out a shitty tweet that Yogi made that Caitlyn liked. It’s funny because Jimmy is seeing all the stuff we’ve been looking at for awhile. I think God is Grey just didn’t see everything on Caitlyn and that’s probably why she came to her convlusion that GD is worse. But to be honest, they are both insanely harmful. So that’s all I want for people to get out of these videos.

So I guess single little Yogi Bear lives in absolute filth because he can’t figure out how to clean since he has a penis. 

Ah, yes. Women who have clutter in their homes are little children who won't grow up. But Yogi totally has clutter in his home, too, but he's the manliest man who ever manned.

There's a new tweet up with him talking about his big balls. 

[kaluce]

38 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I think God is Grey just didn’t see everything on Caitlyn and that’s probably why she came to her convlusion that GD is worse.

Yeah, she did say in her video that she doesn't know anything about Caitlin other than what she's put in her videos. So no other accounts, no politics, etc etc. I hope she comes out with a retraction or update video now that Jimmy showed her the tweets (and apparently she was appalled). 

I think Caitlin is honestly just going to double down and get worse and worse. Brb investing in some popcorn. 

Edited November 21, 2019 by kaluce

[kaluce]

Ah yup. Her one non-insane supporter (I use that term loosely of course) has retracted. 

[ViolaSebastian]

Yogi is on Instagram today saying that all women have a maternal instinct, and when they aren't having kids, they don't have a place to channel it. So women in Sweden are channeling this energy into taking care of Muslim migrants. This makes them irrational, because they're on a "maternal instinct trip" is impossible. Those women shouldn't be in power or make decisions, because they're irrational beings.

Let's examine this, shall we?

1. Not all women have a maternal instinct. "But Viola! They're women, therefore they must want to take care of things!" Yeah, no. The number of children in foster care in the U.S. challenges that. Anecdotally, I've worked with many mothers who just do not care about their children. It's terribly sad, but there are women out there who are not maternal beings and do not have a maternal drive. Whether that's inborn or because of trauma and/or mental illness is an interesting question, but ultimately irrelevant. There are just some women who don't have it. Some women realize this and don't have children, which I think is a selfless and responsible thing to do. Society is not made better by women with no desire to care for or raise children trying to care for and raise children. That equals miserable mothers and miserable children.

2. Support of Muslim immigrants (and other immigrants) doesn't just come from women, and it doesn't just come from women who aren't mothers. Ridiculous assertion to make.

3. It makes sense that women with no children have more free time to devote to causes like supporting migrants. This isn't necessarily an indicator that childless women are putting their maternal energy into supporting migrants, it just means that they have more time to do so. Women with children may also support migrants, but not have the excess time to devote to the cause. That's a time issue, not an indicator of a "maternal instinct trip."

4. If being irrational makes a person unfit for power, then Yogi is number one on the list. The man wouldn't know logic if it bit him on the ass.

[JermajestyDuggar]

Yogi bear is the only one sounding irrational. 

[ViolaSebastian]

5 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Yogi bear is the only one sounding irrational. 

His arguments continue to be absolutely ridiculous. I mean, sometimes I can see how he got there, but the reasoning is all wrong. He's the perfect example of why we need to place a higher emphasis on rhetoric in schools. Holy moly.

In other scintillating news, Mrs. Midwest is now combing her eyebrows out with light brown mascara as opposed to black. R.I.P., cholo brows. 

Edited November 22, 2019 by ViolaSebastian

[JermajestyDuggar]

3 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

His arguments continue to be absolutely ridiculous. I mean, sometimes I can see how he got there, but the reasoning is all wrong. He's the perfect example of why we need to place a higher emphasis on rhetoric in schools. Holy moly.

In other scintillating news, Mrs. Midwest is now combing her eyebrows out with light brown mascara as opposed to black. R.I.P., cholo brows. 

Her sharpie eyebrows bugged me way too much. I feel better now.

[ViolaSebastian]

I'm going through a MGTOW guy's Youtube on "why MGTOW aren't fooled by traditional women," and this Venn diagram was so precious that it just had to be shared.

 

[JermajestyDuggar]

19 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

I'm going through a MGTOW guy's Youtube on "why MGTOW aren't fooled by traditional women," and this Venn diagram was so precious that it just had to be shared.

 

If that was true, single men wouldn’t die younger than married men. But to be honest, I really hope none of those losers get married. So go right ahead and believe that bullshit. 

[ViolaSebastian]

1 minute ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

If that was true, single men wouldn’t die younger than married men. But to be honest, I really hope none of those losers get married. So go right ahead and believe that bullshit. 

I also love that having children is apparently only a benefit to her.

[Giraffe]

“Male servant” da fuq?! Isn’t his whole schtick that he has a servant who will wait on him hand & foot? 

[ViolaSebastian]

Okay, here is the review that absolutely no one wanted or asked for, but comes to you straight from my now-fucked Youtube algorithm. It's a long read, but damn, it is admittedly more bananas than Yogi. As I've previously discussed, I appreciate the MGTOW men for their logical consistency. For the uninitiated, MGTOW men hate women, think they're awful, think marriage is awful, and so they don't mess with either, which I can respect for its logical consistency. (The acronym means "men going their own way.") Unlike Yogi, who seems to hate women, think they're awful, think marriage is awful...but somehow still thinks everyone should get married?

Um. Right.

So anyway, I know nothing about this dude other than he's MGTOW. He starts off this production by giving us a little lecture about how people are selfish, and that people who are communists and socialists ignore that people are inherently selfish. He says that its "no surprise" that when communists collect money for social welfare, they're just looting it for themselves. He says that people live in the world as they see it, and are blind to the way things really are. 

Woo, boy. So he continues by making the point that women, too, are selfish. His example is that when barbarians come to town and kill all the men, the women who remain go right to the invaders and start sleeping around with them. Some of the wives ARE loyal, though, but they get killed immediately. Thus, the genes of the wives who aren't loyal continue on in their offspring. But hey, this is a good thing, because it makes people more predictable (wut.). If you understand that people are primarily selfish, you won't be surprised when they act selfishly.

Now he talks about this video he's saved in a folder on his computer. It's of a seated woman with long, curled hair. It's called "The Real Reason Why Women Hate Feminism." Gulp. We get a lecture about how dudebro appreciates extreme honesty, like the honesty from this curly headed woman. He especially appreciates it from immoral people, as he feels their honesty about their immorality makes them somewhat redeemable. Having watched Ed Kemper interviews after I binged Mindhunters, I cannot disagree with this more. Anywhoo, he feels like they're redeemable because they're alerted others to their tricks. He feels that "traditional women" hate feminism so much that it has forced this woman's hand, and this is the most selfless thing she can do. Which confuses me, because I thought people were selfish. But whatever.

"Yesterday," the woman begins, "I had an aneurysm over this." A CNN article saying that the Senate approved women registering for the draft is shown. "That means if something happens, we get to go to war just like the men." She smiles and says in a patronizing voice "Yay, equality" with a thumbs up. "I hate feminism" she continues "because it takes away any benefit we have for having a vagina."

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This last thing, he says, is spot-on. Then he shows the above Venn diagram. "Nothing had made men more aware of female nature like feminism." 

There's a break. He has a sponsor. He's a graduate in exercise science and has been teaching yoga. It's a hip mobility course, which, as we all now know, can really help you walk femininely. So look into that, folks.

Back to Curly Sue. She says that she felt like "we had it good." It's been her dream, and so many other girls' dream, to just to "be like a lazy ho." Lounge around the house, goof around on the internet, play with your cat, stuff your plushie emojis. Don't you guys in the audience want that too? Just to be comfy as fuck? Well this used to be the natural order of things, evidently, and women used to go and marry a guy and the guy would take care of them. And then, if the woman has kids, she takes care of the kids. How kids are not a shitload of work remains to be explained. You have the option of being comfy as fuck and not really having to do much. (Kids??) Kinda just "open our legs like a clam" and "we were set." You could also go on dates and get free food. Guys used to pull chairs out. We didn't have to do much but look pretty and "pop some babies out of the pussy and we were good." (Kids?!!?) 

Apparently, it also used to be that if we were in public and a guy touches us, we'd get white knights everywhere "just coming to our fucking rescue." But no, "here's feminism to just fuck our shit right up" and "take away all the good shit we have." "Now I have to worry about getting my period in the middle of a fucking war zone and getting acne from all the dirt on my face" and "worry about the other women on my team getting into a fucking cat fight." "What the hell is wrong with feminists? Do you not want a comfy life? Do you not want free shit given to you? Do you not want fucking white knights if anything goes wrong? 

Dudebro is back. Women, he says, are almost never this honest. Even though "we know that most of them think this way" and use their attractiveness to "get free stuff." Everyone is very concerned about free stuff in this video. Anyway, she comes back on the screen and says "ten years from now, men are going to expect women to go to the gym and get a six pack. Fuck that, because I'm a lazy ho."

At this point, I am now 100% convinced and comfortable in saying that this woman's rant is satire. 

Dudebro: She says she's lazy and wants to sit around while the husband does all of the hard work. "She says she is selfish and wants to manipulate men." Can you imagine what would happen if you married this woman? Well, the traditional woman's task used to be cooking, cleaning, educating the children, and all the tasks necessary so that her husband could go to work." (This part-time historian is here to tell you that there was a lot more work than that, but whatever, we're not dealing with truth here). Anyhoo, this allows men to gain skill and be in a higher skill category because he can go to work and just focus on work, rather than dealing with housework. You can apparently have a one-working parent house where the husband is chief executive officer, or a two-parent house where mom and dad work crappy retail jobs making minimum wage. (This is so unbelievable a false dichotomy that I cannot even). 

And on the subject of things this man is entirely unqualified to discuss, here's some stuff about stay-at-home moms. Apparently technology has made it easier to do stuff like laundry, but all this means is that she's freed up to do more of the activities of the household. "Oh, you aren't doing laundry by hand? You can now take that time to become an expert chef." But how many women are using their extra time (kids??!!?) to do just that? How many traditional women are expecting their husbands to do housework and throw "a fourth-wave feminist-style fit" when he tells her that its his job? 

Now he gets into "what would traditional women do if their husband threatened to divorce them?" He points to "what other people would do when their survival is threatened?" and mysteriously puts up an article about how Christine Ford needs to be arrested for perjury. Oh, apparently when women thought Kavanaugh was going to repeal abortion, our kabal got together and convinced Ford to commit "obvious" perjury. What about Jeffrey Epstein? Those politicians were so worried about their survival they committed an obvious murder. Some people will kill you if you threaten their way of life. 

How do you get people to be honest? Well, and he shows a photo of a giant-ass knife when he says this, "you create an environment where dishonesty is ostracized." If you want to know how people will act, pay attention to the environment. (He's missing...a lot...with this hypothesis). Everything about our environment is designed to make women dishonest. Apparently traditional women are not immune to this. Women are propagandized into spending four to six years of their youth in college getting "useless" degrees when they should be spending time building good relationships with men. Now, look. This is completely stupid. Why are we getting degrees if we just want a comfy fucking life where men give us free stuff?

Anyway, if she wants a career, she can always go back to school after having kids. Woo, boy. OH MAN. Like, this is such a dumb statement it makes my stomach hurt. However, she graduates at 24 with $38,000 in student debt and "four years left on the clock before all the good men start avoiding her." Because of feminism, women have been encouraged to be sexually promiscuous. All women have to do to get sex is just say yes. By the time she graduates, she's had "10, 20, 30, 40, 50" partners and is $38,000 in debt. But as long as she wants to be lazy and get her husband to do housework, she can call herself a traditional woman.

ALL that damage DONE TO HER out of the gate and then she gets MARRIED. In the past, it used to be that marriage was forever, so people worked on their problems. Now, if there's the slightest problem, she can end the relationship and get tons of cash and prizes in the divorce. I'm unaware of the prizes, as I did not win a single one in my divorce. Maybe I missed the raffle or something? Plz advise. 

"If she fails at that, she can just go on welfare." GUYS.....GUYS.

Look at how much she is rewarded for enslaving her husband and depriving her kids of a two parent home. Even women "who we didn't expect to bring the worst" do it. Then he brings up Mikhala Peterson, who is apparently "the child of the father of traditionalism." Now, there's a lot to say about Peterson, but calling him the father of traditionalism is a title that I don't think even he would accept. Come on now. Anyway, she's a single mother because she got divorced and she says "it just didn't work out"  and "we just weren't right for each other." (Which means "none of your fucking business," but in a polite way. I know this because I have ladylike emotional intelligence). Anyway, he says that the reason she withheld this information is definitely not because of the baying dudebros who worship her father and hold her to a different standard because of it, no, it's totally because "it would make her look like a bad person." He points out that she takes selfies in her underwear with her kid in the background. This...honestly makes me uncomfortable and is not something I myself would do, just given her audience. 

According to this guy, SHE broke up the marriage because she wanted to do immoral things. Now, it is not made clear who broke it off with who or if it was a mutual decision. She also apparently is dating a guy who has a webcam business, which is objectionable "because she has a little girl as a child." I guess if it was a little boy it'd be cool? "Do any of you guys out there believe that there are unicorns out there who won't fall for this shit?" There are plenty of "hashtag traditional women" out there, just like Mikhala. 

Um. Yeah. So that's that. As far as I'm aware, Mikhala Peterson isn't a traditional woman in the sense that Caitlin and Cynthia are, but I'm not really here to defend her. She's just been a favorite target of woman haters out there, I think because they secretly all have a crush on her and they're mad she's not dating them.

So, that's it. That was honestly horrific to listen to.

 

Edited November 23, 2019 by ViolaSebastian

[Katzchen24]

@ViolaSebastian that was truly heroic. I wish upon you whatever you need to bleach clean your eyes and brain after what must have been a horrible time taking notes. Maybe treat yourself to half an hour of looking up puppy and kitten videos to repair some of the damage to your algorithms. 

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The Venn diagram made me laugh amongst the nausea. It's interesting how much of the so-called advantages to women come down to money. I'm sorry for whatever experiences made the author so bitter but really, what a crock of shit. I didn't know what the MGTOW acronym stood for so I looked it up. Got the following definition:

MGTOW’s main objectives seem to be to stay away from women, stop dating and to never have children.

I guess we can be glad they're self-selecting for non-propagation.

[ViolaSebastian]

I particularly loved the "if they don't get alimony, they can just go on welfare!" First of all, if a woman with children goes on welfare and her former partner owes child support, guess who is going to get hunted down to pay that back to the state? Secondly, welfare is not this cushy life that people who don't know any better describe. There's a work requirement for TANF, as well as a time limit. It won't be enough to push a family of three out of poverty in any state. Section 8 has a mile-long waiting list. Depending on what state you live in, eligibility for Medicaid is iffy. The list goes on and on. For a long time I worked with poor, single mothers. It is not the good life, in any sense of the word--and kids definitely aren't the ticket to Welfare Paradise. I really thought we were beyond the Welfare Queen myth, but apparently that sucker is still going strong. 

I'd love a direct response to Caitlin or Cynthia. As far as I can tell, they're doing the chores in the home and stayed virgins until they married. I mean, there supposedly ARE some traditional women out there, and they don't strike me as ever giving their husbands a hard time about it. I think they're, for the most part, truly living the basic image they portray. What about those people? 

ETA: We have the Yogi Paradox rearing its head again with this one. Women aren't supposed to get married and rely on a man. Alimony is court-ordered slavery. Child support is tragic for men. If women get married and live off a man, they're terrible people. Oh, and if they get a degree and work, they're also terrible people. Congratulations, all women are terrible people.

Like, my dudes, this poses something of an economic problem. We can't work, because that's awful. We also can't NOT work, because that's awful, too. But we need to have some sort of sustainable economic influx to live. Thus, if we try to live, no matter how, we're terrible people.

Edited November 23, 2019 by ViolaSebastian

[mango_fandango]

These guys aren’t very original, are they? They all spout the same old shit.

Ya know, college is often a great place to meet guys (I’m not going to get started on what these idiots would make of lesbians/bisexuals)! OK, I graduated university having had zero sexual partners (still never had one, but that’s not really relevant here). My friend, who lost her virginity at university, has only had maybe four or five. So nowhere near 50. And so what if a woman has had fifty sexual partners by the time she graduates university? As long as they were all consensual encounters, it’s nobody’s business. 

[ViolaSebastian]

2 minutes ago, mango_fandango said:

These guys aren’t very original, are they? They all spout the same old shit.

Ya know, college is often a great place to meet guys (I’m not going to get started on what these idiots would make of lesbians/bisexuals)! OK, I graduated university having had zero sexual partners (still never had one, but that’s not really relevant here). My friend, who lost her virginity at university, has only had maybe four or five. So nowhere near 50. And so what if a woman has had fifty sexual partners by the time she graduates university? As long as they were all consensual encounters, it’s nobody’s business. 

Three out of four of Lori "Women Shouldn't Go To College" Alexander's children met their spouses through post-secondary education.

She is very (weirdly) vocal about them all being chaste before marriage.

Edited November 23, 2019 by ViolaSebastian