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Jana 10: Advertising Boredom on a Biblical Level

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SorenaJ

I don't know anything about the Arndt Family, but what about one of the many Arndt brothers? 

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SassyPants

If Jana wants a strict fundie man who works at home and a more physical job, yet continue to have all the comforts that TLC provides, her pool is literally non-existent. The Ardnts and Maxwells are families who are as controlling, if not more so, than the Duggars. Control is exactly why ALL the Maxwell girls are still single. These men are willing to bring in more women to control, yet will NEVER give up control of any of their own! 

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socalrules

As someone else said, Jana is pretty old to be single in the fundy world. If there is a super fundy man out there who shares her beliefs and is able to provide for her, he likely is going to go for a 19 or 20 year-old he can mold and who can give him 12 children to prove his virility. It may be Jana doesn’t want to get married or maybe she desperately wants to get married and have kids. What’s sad to me is that marriage or being a forever SAHD are only options in the fundy world. Being single at 30 wouldn’t even cause most people to think twice but in Jana’s world it’s ancient and the quality of man she can gets worse with each passing year because you aren’t going to find many acceptable men still unmarried is their late 30s in the fundy world. The Ardnts don’t count because I don’t see them as fundy, if anything, they are their own little cult. 

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JermajestyDuggar
21 hours ago, Idlewild said:

While I’m sure there are many potential suitors I think Jana has had time to think about the person she wants and he may be elusive..... all we know isn’t her comment that she wanted someone who worked with his hands - presumably meaning not someone working in an office or a routine 9-5 job. 

I agree with others who say she’s most Duggar- so a guy who works for himself not an employee, has the same views as hers, wealthy enough to give her the lifestyle she has become used to ( not working, travel, indulging in hobbies). Even in fundie circles such a man would be a rare catch - I expect many of the men are looking to be funded like Derick, Ben and Jeremy- plus he wouldn’t have to mind the dodgy dealings and welcoming various sexual deviants to family gatherings. Jana may well be looking for her male equivalent!

So you’re saying she is Emma Woodhluse ;)

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Idlewild
1 hour ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

So you’re saying she is Emma Woodhluse ;)

Well she got on my nerves too....

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QuiverFullofBooks
7 hours ago, SorenaJ said:

I don't know anything about the Arndt Family, but what about one of the many Arndt brothers? 

Even the Duggars think the Arendts are crazy. Also I think there are theological differences.

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Johannah

Do you think her parents are making critical comments about her singleness and/or pushing her towards marriage? I feel like maybe they’ve been tolerant or even somewhat discouraging of it for awhile, but a 30 year old SAHD is on a different level in their world. They may be terrified of her becoming Sarah Mally. This is literally what they have supposedly trained and prepared their daughters to do. I can see Michelle throwing in some passive aggressive, “30! My goodness! When I was 30 I was celebrating 13 years of marriage and expecting my 9th child!” Like acting superior to Jana for “succeeding” at marriage and children (their only life options) while Jana is failing. 

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Snarkasarus Rex
10 minutes ago, Johannah said:

Do you think her parents are making critical comments about her singleness and/or pushing her towards marriage? I feel like maybe they’ve been tolerant or even somewhat discouraging of it for awhile, but a 30 year old SAHD is on a different level in their world. They may be terrified of her becoming Sarah Mally. This is literally what they have supposedly trained and prepared their daughters to do. I can see Michelle throwing in some passive aggressive, “30! My goodness! When I was 30 I was celebrating 13 years of marriage and expecting my 9th child!” Like acting superior to Jana for “succeeding” at marriage and children (their only life options) while Jana is failing. 

I think now that she is 30, her twin is a father, and Josie turning 10, there is going to be more pressure on her to marry. I think Boob would have been ok with her marrying a while ago (he’s made some har har comments about her being single), but Michelle wanted to keep her around for obvious reasons. 

Also, I think TLC has given them some indication the end is near, since they’ve been trying to cultivate other income sources of late.  A Jana season would be a good way to end it...

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JenniferJuniper
4 hours ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

Even the Duggars think the Arendts are crazy. Also I think there are theological differences.

The Duggars know of the Arndts?   I agree they'd think they are crazy but aside from a brief involvement with a reality show, the Arndts seem to be on a completely different planet than the Duggars. 

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just_ordinary

I can actually see JB and M being pretty happy about having Jana at home. She is likely doing/organising things the remaining children are too young for. And maybe too uneducated? I think Janas education might be slightly better than what the children down from No.5 got. 
Additionally- I do think that Jana caring for them when they are old might paint a pretty comfortable picture for JB and M. Their comfort wouldn’t compete with a horde of children or a husband. They likely have the funds to maintain their lifestyle even when the others will struggle. 

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QuiverFullofBooks
8 hours ago, JenniferJuniper said:

The Duggars know of the Arndts?   I agree they'd think they are crazy but aside from a brief involvement with a reality show, the Arndts seem to be on a completely different planet than the Duggars. 

I should have said “would think.” The Arndts are on a different planet than everyone else.

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Queen Of Hearts

Jana being single actually looks good to their (non-fundy) audience... The ones who fund their lifestyle. It shows they aren't some crazy cult who insist on marrying off their girls at a young age. She appears independent and we'll adjusted at TV which is the perfect counterpoint to Joy who married the second she turned 18. 

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SassyPants
35 minutes ago, Queen Of Hearts said:

Jana being single actually looks good to their (non-fundy) audience... The ones who fund their lifestyle. It shows they aren't some crazy cult who insist on marrying off their girls at a young age. She appears independent and we'll adjusted at TV which is the perfect counterpoint to Joy who married the second she turned 18. 

This is a very serious question. What would a non-fundie audience look like beyond those who are watching for snark? What would attract someone who wasn’t living a similar lifestyle, to the Duggars? The Duggars are seemingly anti everything that most decent people support. Honestly, it seems for the bulk of their successful years, the only faith community they participated in was their own family, in their own living room. The anti education and socialization methods added with their unwillingness to work a paying job or truly hone skills beyond shortcuts and hacks, should be enough for most people to question what was really going on in that home.

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JermajestyDuggar
8 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

This is a very serious question. What would a non-fundie audience look like beyond those who are watching for snark? What would attract someone who wasn’t living a similar lifestyle, to the Duggars? The Duggars are seemingly anti everything that most decent people support. Honestly, it seems for the bulk of their successful years, the only faith community they participated in was their own family, in their own living room. The anti education and socialization methods added with their unwillingness to work a paying job or truly hone skills beyond shortcuts and hacks, should be enough for most people to question what was really going on in that home.

I think Christian conservatives may watch. I honestly don’t understand the appeal of them now so it’s hard for me to say who the fuck is watching. But I imagine some Christians watch. Maybe the folks that have watched since thebeginning and feel like they need to see it through to the end. 

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SassyPants
27 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I think Christian conservatives may watch. I honestly don’t understand the appeal of them now so it’s hard for me to say who the fuck is watching. But I imagine some Christians watch. Maybe the folks that have watched since thebeginning and feel like they need to see it through to the end. 

Maybe the same “Christians” who can justify voting for Trump based on social issues. Scratching my damn head. 

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AreYouThereGothard?
53 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

This is a very serious question. What would a non-fundie audience look like beyond those who are watching for snark? What would attract someone who wasn’t living a similar lifestyle, to the Duggars? The Duggars are seemingly anti everything that most decent people support. Honestly, it seems for the bulk of their successful years, the only faith community they participated in was their own family, in their own living room. The anti education and socialization methods added with their unwillingness to work a paying job or truly hone skills beyond shortcuts and hacks, should be enough for most people to question what was really going on in that home.

I’d say the people who want to see “wholesome” entertainment and an unapologetically conservative Christian family on mainstream media. To be fair, I’m not sure how many entertainment options there are for those looking for those kind of values that aren’t super tacky. You mention that they’re against values that most decent people support. I’d actually argue that they vocalize the beliefs of a substantial part of the US population (decent or otherwise): gun rights, anti-abortion, traditional marriage, patriarchal structures, women as sexual objects (that must either be controlled by purity or hyped up because “men have needs and hate ugly women”). Therefore, their perceived transgressions by us are either forgivable or ignorable by their viewers because this is a family whose values they can generally identify with. 

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SassyPants
24 minutes ago, AreYouThereGothard? said:

I’d say the people who want to see “wholesome” entertainment and an unapologetically conservative Christian family on mainstream media. To be fair, I’m not sure how many entertainment options there are for those looking for those kind of values that aren’t super tacky. You mention that they’re against values that most decent people support. I’d actually argue that they vocalize the beliefs of a substantial part of the US population (decent or otherwise): gun rights, anti-abortion, traditional marriage, patriarchal structures, women as sexual objects (that must either be controlled by purity or hyped up because “men have needs and hate ugly women”). Therefore, their perceived transgressions by us are either forgivable or ignorable by their viewers because this is a family whose values they can generally identify with. 

OK, so folks listen to the verbiage , but then somehow justify or refuse to see/ believe the actions ( molestation, porn, hook up websites , scams like Medicore...it is exactly like the EC Trump supporters who voted for the pussy grabber in order to effect changes in social issues. You literally can not make this shit up.

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TeaGrannie

I think the first draw would be the large family, the freakish number of kids. I had heard of them long before I knew what they were about. Seemed wholesome, my friend watched it. Now that I am familiar with the expectations for the children and have seen another side of what it really is I am horrified. Prior to FJ I knew nothing about the lifestyle and was a passive watcher.....as in “oh yeah there’s not much on but there’s that nice family with the megaton of kids”. 

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meep

I don't see an Arndt boy moving to Arkansas and I don't see Jana wanting to move to middle-of-nowhere Illinois. The Maxwells probably think Jana is a worldly heathen. 

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HerNameIsBuffy
1 hour ago, meep said:

I don't see an Arndt boy moving to Arkansas and I don't see Jana wanting to move to middle-of-nowhere Illinois. The Maxwells probably think Jana is a worldly heathen. 

I would pay money to see the slap fight between Steve and JB over who remained top umbrella should any of their kids hook up...no way would that ever happen.  

I would like to think Steve wouldn't marry any of the girls off into a family with a known child molester on the compound.  

And the Ardnts?  No...as crazy as that family is it doesn't need a Duggar infusion.  The Dugs would have to hire a full time Nike patrol to protect the Duggar men from the Arndt women's white shorts.  

And when it comes to homeschooling Cathy Arndt smoked Michelle Duggar so hard there should be a Michelle sized pile of ashes somewhere.  Say what you will about the batshit theology, and assorted weirdness, she homeschooled properly and the kids are equipped with skill to earn a living unlike any Duggar.  

Can you imagine a conversation between Smuggar and any of the eldest 6 Arndt boys?  What are they gonna talk about?  Work?  Being accomplished at DIY?  Supporting your family.  Heck, the Arndt's support their parents children and Smugs can't even support his own!

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Queen Of Hearts

I think lots of people watched the show on during the 19 Kids and Counting days because a.) reality TV was very popular, b.) people had a genuine interest in how such a large family functioned in day to day life and c.) while they mentioned their faith and conservativeness they didn't really promote the Gothard cult part of it.  I suspect only a small number of their viewers actually rabidly follow FJ and other snark sites and probably don't have a clue as to who or what Gothardism is.  

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AreYouThereGothard?
11 hours ago, SassyPants said:

OK, so folks listen to the verbiage , but then somehow justify or refuse to see/ believe the actions ( molestation, porn, hook up websites , scams like Medicore...it is exactly like the EC Trump supporters who voted for the pussy grabber in order to effect changes in social issues. You literally can not make this shit up.

Sad, but pretty much. We’re seeing the same rhetoric used to excuse Josh as for other people who “made mistakes” (sexual assault and child molestation). Don’t tell me Anna didn’t get some sort of lecture about being joyfully available amidst the Ashley Madison nonsense; at the minimum, I wouldn’t be surprised if she blames herself. 

On top of that, the Duggar groupies are rabid. Somebody tried to point out that Tater Tot Casserole didn’t have the healthiest ingredients (shocker). At least one person called them out saying “the kids look healthy and don’t judge them”.
 

Objectivity with the Duggars and their fans is futile 

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Ms. Brightside

Also, as someone who grew up in the South (in the 90s, and not even the Deep South), nothing that was said about religion on their TV specials/shows seemed abnormal to me. I was so used to hearing conservative religious talk, the interesting part was just how many kids they had and how they did normal things like go to the grocery store or cook meals or drive from one place to another. I’d guess many viewers in the South/Deep South/Midwest (or honestly rural areas in most states), would have said the same thing.

Even when everything came out about Josh, I kind of figured he was a bad apple until I randomly got curious about what everyone in the family was up to a few years ago and stumbled upon the whole Gothardism aspect on the internet. Once you know about the details of the cult, it’s easy to see evidence of it playing out on the show. If you think they’re just conservative Christians, then it’s easy to just see that. I think there’s unfortunately a pretty size-able non-snark audience who think they’re just conservative Christians. 

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CarrotCake
14 hours ago, Queen Of Hearts said:

I think lots of people watched the show on during the 19 Kids and Counting days because a.) reality TV was very popular, b.) people had a genuine interest in how such a large family functioned in day to day life and c.) while they mentioned their faith and conservativeness they didn't really promote the Gothard cult part of it.  I suspect only a small number of their viewers actually rabidly follow FJ and other snark sites and probably don't have a clue as to who or what Gothardism is.  

This.

The show is on TV here in the Netherlands and conservative Christianity is quite small and insignificant in this country. There are two political parties against abortion and gay marriage and they have to collaborate to make up 8/150 seats in the chamber. And they never focus their campaign on issues like this because they know it does them more harm then good. So Gothardism/Christian Homeschooling/Courtshipmodels are not even thought of to exist.

We have shows on tv which show non-religious big families and most people just put the Duggars in the same category. And even when there are schandals that reach them (like the molestation) they mainly see the messages via TLC itself since they are not big enough to be reported on in the mainstream news and most of the people don't follow American news sites.

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SassyPants

I’m not talking about original viewership. I’m more interested in how the current show can draw a sustainable audience of supporters, not snark or hate watchers. WHAT is the current demographic of people who after all the crap that has been exposed about these folks, still believe the o’shucks charade? I’ve heard over and over again that the Duggars are not well supported or respected, locally, so where does that line of being informed about the true nature of this family end? 
 

To me, these types of thinkers are why we have a lying, cheating, women abuser sitting in 1600 PA Ave, Washington DC. 
 

Clearly, I need to more fully understand raging cognitive dissonance.

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