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I guess I’m pretty lucky in that my family are all fairly similar politically, eg pro-Remain when it came to Brexit. We have slight differences on things (normal, obviously), but I don’t have any UKIP supporters in my family or anything like that (thank fuck). 

 

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On 9/23/2019 at 8:42 PM, JanasTattooParlor said:

I'm with you 1000%! I called my stepmom today and was telling her how my students have gone through the tissues I bought really fast and I need to get more since we are close to allergy/flu season starting. She then turned that into a rant about how I am contributing to the "handout culture and mentality" the younger generation has and how I should expect them to bring in their own tissues and be responsible (I teach high school). When I told her that I never brought my own tissues to school when I was sick she said that I was part of the problem then and was continuing to contribute to creating adults that expect people to do things for them. Anytime I argued with her about how I can't expect my kids to have tissues at home and how the students have been conditioned to expect tissues at school because of their teachers that belong mostly to her generation, she said that I clearly did not understand her point and then claimed that I was being wholly unreasonable. I ended up finally hanging up on her because I knew there was no point in arguing anymore. I'm so glad that I grew past feeling like I was obligated with giving toxic family members the time of day because it felt really good to hang up on her. 

Good job hanging up, @JanasTattooParlor - you don't deserve or need shit like that. And thank you for doing what I know is often a thankless and probably always a challenging job!

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My parents have somewhat different political views and often voted in a way that cancelled each other out, but it was a blessing to see that two people I love and respect don’t share a single “right” opinion. As an adult, I’m frustrated by my mum’s position and far more aligned with my dad, but at least I know I wasn’t conditioned into my political stance from an early age.

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I haven't always voted the same as parents, they are both Labour, I mostly vote SNP but voted Labour last UK election, hoping Corbyn would be PM over May and for the European election I voted Green. We all voted yes in the independence refrendum, Dad and I both voted remain, mum voted leave and instantly regretted it. 

Our political views are not that different we both vote for different parties but they are not massively different other than Labour being pro Scotland remaining part of the UK and the SNP wanting independence. 

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On 9/24/2019 at 9:00 PM, Smee said:

My parents have somewhat different political views and often voted in a way that cancelled each other out, but it was a blessing to see that two people I love and respect don’t share a single “right” opinion. As an adult, I’m frustrated by my mum’s position and far more aligned with my dad, but at least I know I wasn’t conditioned into my political stance from an early age.

My husband and I have different political views as well. We both are fairly moderate. but he leans more conservative and I am more liberal. However, we are fairly well aligned on most social issues and the views that are most important to us. There are still some fairly heated discussions at our house at times though. My older two kids are teens now and just started to form their own opinions so they jump in with their views also.  They more often share a similar view to me but they do have their own opinions which I think is awesome. 

 

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I'll sit this one out, just listen in, but I'll say that, in the vast majority of cases, the thread drifts are much more interesting than the Duggars, and this one is a great example. 

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On 9/29/2019 at 6:22 PM, nvmbr02 said:

My husband and I have different political views as well. We both are fairly moderate. but he leans more conservative and I am more liberal. However, we are fairly well aligned on most social issues and the views that are most important to us. There are still some fairly heated discussions at our house at times though. My older two kids are teens now and just started to form their own opinions so they jump in with their views also.  They more often share a similar view to me but they do have their own opinions which I think is awesome. 

My husband and I have different political views as well, although a lot of it is overlapping.  I'm a democratic socialist and he's a hardcore communist.  We often have heated political discussions about voting (I'm strongly pro-voting, he was anti-voting but is now on the fence), the efficacy of privileged white people rioting (I'm against, he's for), and religion (he pretty much thinks it should be outlawed, while I have an affection for religion as long as it's not oppressing people and I think religious freedom is important). Before we started dating he was involved for years in different communist reading groups that would regularly splinter over minor ideological points.  I think I'm starting to convince him that all that was essentially theological debate, lol. 

He often comments that he never thought he'd end up married to someone so mainstream (or married at all, lol). I think that's hilarious because in the US I'm considered part of the radical left but in Europe I guess I'm just mainstream left. Also having fancy skin care products and sometimes wearing makeup and heels are clear signs of my conservatism, apparently. And my love for Oktoberfest is bordering on fascism. ?

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My family is from the upper midwest. I was visiting them this weekend and we went on one of those multi-house tours. One of the houses was owned by a potato farmer and local politician. You could tell his political affiliation instantly because of the patriotic and biblical verse decorations. Then we got to his living room and yep, framed pictures of the house owner himself standing with Trump and Pence. And then his library had about a dozen "the case for Trump" and other pro-Trump books. I'm sure that this man thinks he a strong Christian, defender of our country, blah blah blah and I just don't get it!!! 

Later my family was watching tv and a pro-Trump ad came on about how now that the "radical Left" was coming after Trump (impeachment), it was "no more mister nice guy." My entire family erupted in derisive laughter, except for a pro-Trump uncle sitting silently. It's already so hard for everyone to be at family gatherings and not talk politics, and it's going to be even harder. 

 A relative once asked my mom in my absence if I was "one of those nasty liberals." Her response? "If you mean, does she care about people and the environment? Then yes." So at least they are on board. But we are in for a long long year.

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This is all so interesting. Because here even though we as friends/family/colleagues talk about politics or topics I don’t think most ever disclose which party they are actually voting for. You obviously get an idea but you can never be sure. Granted - we have lots of political parties to choose from (and currently there are 19 German parties that are actually elected in either- the German parliament, a regional parliament or the European Parliament).

With just two or three options it’s obviously easier to pin point. And I am fascinated how language seems to be one big telling factor. On the other side: I don’t even know which party my husband voted for in any election.

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On 10/10/2019 at 8:13 AM, just_ordinary said:

This is all so interesting. Because here even though we as friends/family/colleagues talk about politics or topics I don’t think most ever disclose which party they are actually voting for. You obviously get an idea but you can never be sure. Granted - we have lots of political parties to choose from (and currently there are 19 German parties that are actually elected in either- the German parliament, a regional parliament or the European Parliament).

With just two or three options it’s obviously easier to pin point. And I am fascinated how language seems to be one big telling factor. On the other side: I don’t even know which party my husband voted for in any election.

We have the same in the Netherlands and I always vote for one out of three parties, depending on how I feel about their focus at that point. Most people I know do not always vote for the same party because there are many that have overlap, so it is hard to predict what someone will vote.

With 2 parties with almost no overlap, it is much easier.

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On 10/10/2019 at 8:13 AM, just_ordinary said:

With just two or three options it’s obviously easier to pin point. And I am fascinated how language seems to be one big telling factor. On the other side: I don’t even know which party my husband voted for in any election.

Really?! That’s so interesting. I’m German, too, and while we as a people really are careful with who we discuss our ballot choices with, I know who/what my family and friends vote for and vice versa. My parents even go as far as deciding together who of them votes for which party. They support two moderately left ones and always make sure one of them votes for party A and the other for party B so their votes are distributed evenly. That being said, my family is very moderately left and my friends and I are on the rather far left (to varying degrees obviously) and it’s easier to share one’s decision with people who are similar and won’t start an argument. 

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I used to be a teacher and would make it a point to go to the polls and vote on election Day in the morning before work so I could go to work with the I voted sticker. I felt it was very important to show how important voting was when working with elementary School students. naturally, I would get asked each time the kids saw the sticker who I voted for. I would go into an age-appropriate discussion of a secret ballot and how important it is. I told them that I'm the only one who would ever know the secret of the person I voted for that I didn't have to tell my mom or my friends or anyone else and that when they got old enough to vote they got to have a secret vote too. 

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Per IG Joy is tagging along on a “guys” hunting trip to CO. There is visible snow on the ground. I wonder if Joy is wearing an orange hunting vest skirt?

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1 hour ago, SassyPants said:

Per IG Joy is tagging along on a “guys” hunting trip to CO. There is visible snow on the ground. I wonder if Joy is wearing an orange hunting vest skirt?

She’s probably wearing snow pants, without a skirt on. The Duggars usually don’t wear snow pants with skirts over like Kendra does. Thankfully.

Side note, I’m glad that Joy got to tag along to the trip and wasn’t stuck at home taking care of Gideon while everyone is on vacation.

 

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2 hours ago, VBOY9977 said:

She’s probably wearing snow pants, without a skirt on. The Duggars usually don’t wear snow pants with skirts over like Kendra does. Thankfully.

Side note, I’m glad that Joy got to tag along to the trip and wasn’t stuck at home taking care of Gideon while everyone is on vacation.

 

Snow pants with a skirt...... good Lord that is dumb. 

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2 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

Snow pants with a skirt...... good Lord that is dumb. 

And I have to say possibly dangerous. That’s gotta be cumbersome. 

Stupid and unnecessary imo too. Fundies. ?‍♀️

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9 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

I think Anna wore a skirt over snow pants once.

She wore a skirt on the bunny slopes when the little kids were learning to ski but ditched it in the evening when she went skiing herself.

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I don't know if anyone else saw Joy's instagram post about her and Austin's hunting trip but she actually seems to be doing really well and looks genuinely happy in it. I hope she is truly happy, and that this trip was refreshing for her. 

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I agre, I think that Joy really enjoyed the trip. She looked great in the picture (public, adding it here).

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No one knows which party or person I vote for, since it's nobody's business. I love the freedom and right to stay silent about such things, if you choose to do so. Of course there's people pressuring about it and telling me I'm part of a bigger problem... but like, I don't see the point? Even though I stay silent about the party I vote, I'm still very active in society and taking part in political discussions and activities. There's also such a political divide going on in Finland right now that it simply makes me uncomfortable declaring how I vote. I don't need the drama. I want to give everyone a chance and not otracise, but if they cross a certain line (racism and plain ol hatred), I will either distance myself from the person or stop associating myself with said person altogether.

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I don't ever tell people who I voted for but with only 2 major parties (that are so far apart) in the US, I feel like it's kind of easy to guess for many people. So while you will never know for certain unless someone tells you- most of the time it's pretty easy to deduce an educated guess- if that makes sense. In fact I've heard people often use it as a descriptor of someone- ie "you know the lady with curly hair that always wears sweaters and probably voted for Trump" Which come to think of it, it's only used as a descriptor for people who (allegedly) voted for Trump. IDK if that's always the case of if people say it to me bc they assume that I am not a Trump voter.

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To be clear- I am not a Trump supporter.
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51 minutes ago, finnlassie said:

No one knows which party or person I vote for, since it's nobody's business. I love the freedom and right to stay silent about such things, if you choose to do so. Of course there's people pressuring about it and telling me I'm part of a bigger problem... but like, I don't see the point? Even though I stay silent about the party I vote, I'm still very active in society and taking part in political discussions and activities. There's also such a political divide going on in Finland right now that it simply makes me uncomfortable declaring how I vote. I don't need the drama. I want to give everyone a chance and not otracise, but if they cross a certain line (racism and plain ol hatred), I will either distance myself from the person or stop associating myself with said person altogether.

My dad always tries to assume who I voted for or tries to get it out of me. I maintain my right to privacy though and remind him that I don't disclose that information. It often feels like its a lose lose situation when dealing with people who are always trying to bait you into discussing politics like my dad so telling him would only add fuel to the fire. Basically whether or not I voted for the same person as him I'll still have to hear all about how the other party is terrible and blah blah blah and I just have zero interest. I usually just nod and mmhm until he gets the hint. 

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I think Joy really enjoyed that trip, (as much as it grinds my gears to say it) I'm glad Austin lets her do things like this. It looks like a beautiful trip they went on, I would love to do something like this, but in a little warmer weather, and sans the sitting around being quiet to hunt elk, because quiet is NOT my thing. 

What brothers when with them? I can't tell the howlers apart. 

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