Seewalds 41: Christian Hero Ivy Jane

[HerNameIsBuffy]

2 hours ago, tabitha2 said:

She never did grow to like Eliza Jane who really was a domineering grating person And Laura was not a very loving or warm person generally.

She did let Rose stay with Eliza Jane for part of her high school years.  Iirc it was a positive experience for her and she admired her Aunt.

I could be remembering that wrong.

Rose’s relationship with her mother was very complicated.  

[Italiangirl]

16 hours ago, allthegoodnamesrgone said:

So essentially Jessa's hemorrhages are because she and her midwife are fucking morons. 

 

Basicaly yes. Also do we know if she take castor oil with Henry? Cause if the two time she take castor oil she hadn't stop bleeding after the birth of the baby it seems to me that even a 5yo would understand that maybe the two things are somehow connected. How could she keep assuming something that make her sick? I just don't understand. ?‍♀️

[Mimosa]

I don't think she necessarily "kept consuming something that made her sick." She had issues once before this, and things were fine once. It's not like she had 3 failed home births in a row and continued on the same way. I don't think it's completely out of line that she figured the issues were behind her. Now, with her odds holding at 2/3 gone wrong,  if she chooses to continue having home births after this one, I will lose all sympathy. 

This is also completely aside from my issues with the lack of qualified care they seem to have surrounding their pregnancies and births. 

[grandmadugger]

I don’t get the “I must have a home birth without proper medical care.” bs that Jessa, Joy, and Jill seem to be stuck on. Jinger, Kendra, and the Bates girls have all had fairly easy births and they all had proper medical care. What is so hard about that? 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

12 minutes ago, grandmadugger said:

I don’t get the “I must have a home birth without proper medical care.” bs that Jessa, Joy, and Jill seem to be stuck on. Jinger, Kendra, and the Bates girls have all had fairly easy births and they all had proper medical care. What is so hard about that? 

If you want a zillion kids AND want proper prenatal care and hospital births you need either great insurance or more cash than the Duggars have.  

Aknowledging  that each birth will cost thousands of dollars that you don’t have isn’t good for the brand.

Maybe they should should throw their political support behind candidates who want to reform health care so everyone has equal access to proper healthcare.  

I guess that hasn’t occurred to them so they keep rolling the dice with their lives by doing this at home. 

[clueliss]

I factor in the fact that the Bates family also gets prenatal care and doesn't run around doing this dangerous home birth without medical help weirdness.  

 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

7 minutes ago, clueliss said:

I factor in the fact that the Bates family also gets prenatal care and doesn't run around doing this dangerous home birth without medical help weirdness.  

 

That’s a good point.  I wonder what their insurance situation is.

It must have changed since they had none and were using ER.

[Glasgowghirl]

11 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

That’s a good point.  I wonder what their insurance situation is.

It must have changed since they had none and were using ER.

The Bates children seem to have more sense than their parents in that aspect.  

[HurricaneBells]

Not sure where to post this but Ivy is the last bub i saw wearing headwear so Jessa's thread it is. Im the second one... 100%! 

 

[grandmadugger]

4 hours ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

That’s a good point.  I wonder what their insurance situation is.

It must have changed since they had none and were using ER.

Zach would have insurance from the police department. 

John should have insurance from his dad’s company. 

Chad would be self insured since he’s doing the self employment thing. 

Not so sure what the new husband’s do but I think a few work jobs that should offer insurance. 

Maybe that’s the big difference. The Bates women have husbands with real jobs for the most part. Real jobs = real benefits. 

Jeremy probably has insurance from the church but I wonder about Joe and Kendra. How did they pay for their baby? 

[SassyPants]

4 hours ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

That’s a good point.  I wonder what their insurance situation is.

It must have changed since they had none and were using ER.

The Bates, on a whole, tend to have incomes/paying jobs outside of the show. Often times FT jobs come with family benefits. The Duggars do not share that benefit, because they refuse to work for others, and for many, at all.

[JustEnough]

On 6/19/2019 at 2:44 AM, Iamtheway said:

You should never tell people the name before the baby is born. They just take it as an invitation to have opinions. Once there is an actual person presented with the name people are usually nicer about it. 

This was our experience. We used two middle names for each small human and since we have three of them we have nine names total that ended up on a birth certificate. Of those all except Small Human #3's first name are family names, and I knew that there would be unending second guessing of our choices of who to name them after so we just skipped all of that and presented the news of the birth along with weight and name all in one package.

Mostly the reactions we got by doing it this way were good. And it was very sweet to be able to see or hear the reactions of the family members who's names we chose each time. One of my favourite parts actually ❤️

The only person who had definite opinions on how we could have done it better was my maternal grandmother. She thought we chose wrong with #1 first name and #3 middle names and wasn't shy about telling us not only that we chose wrong but also what we should have chosen instead. *Sigh* Ah well, you can't please everyone. The kids in question love their names and so do my partner and I.

[omgpleasestop]

I'm off to google the American healthcare system.

I live in Australia and I could have my entire prenatal care including all scans and pathology, an ambulance to take me to hospital, have a C-section with NICU for baby if needed and a single room with wifi and TV for 3 nights and it would cost me about $12 plus pain medications prescribed as after-care which would be anything from $8-$20 per script.

No insurance needed.

[AussieKrissy]

24 minutes ago, omgpleasestop said:

I'm off to google the American healthcare system.

I live in Australia and I could have my entire prenatal care including all scans and pathology, an ambulance to take me to hospital, have a C-section with NICU for baby if needed and a single room with wifi and TV for 3 nights and it would cost me about $12 plus pain medications prescribed as after-care which would be anything from $8-$20 per script.

No insurance needed.

Do you have a health care card? 

Ambulances are not free in nsw unless you have a health care or pension card.

i am lucky the one and only time I had to take an ambulance it was only a “cheap” ride and it was about 340 and my health care cover I had at the time paid it. 

Since then I have cancelled my health care cover, but found out that one ambulance ride can cost 2.5k. 

I decided to pay about a 100 bucks a year to cover any ambulance rides and I’m pretty sure helicopter rides  for me and my daughter. 

I think when I was googling there was one state here that was free. 

Edited to add that everytime I read anything American health care related I thank good for own crappy flawed but pretty much free health care. People don’t die here because they are poor. 

Yeah universal health care. Thank you Bob Hawke and Medicare. 

Edited June 23, 2019 by AussieKrissy

[Timetraveler]

The American healthcare system really, really scares me.

I am from the Netherlands. I pay 140 euro (160 dollar) every month, and need to pay approximately 400 euro once a year in case I need a hospital visit or check up. That's it and the rest will be paid for. 

[WiseGirl]

1 hour ago, Timetraveler said:

I am from the Netherlands. I pay 140 euro (160 dollar) every month, and need to pay approximately 400 euro once a year in case I need a hospital visit or check up. That's it and the rest will be paid for. 

*weeps with envy*

American here, full coverage, but I still need to make my deductible before my insurance covers everything, you know the insurance I have to contribute 50% to. Oh and the good back doctor I want to see is out if network so insurance will only cover 70%...200 usd for one appointment...So in network I go.

It is so f**key up and held hostage by the insurance industry. It is crazy and sad. Oh and no one wants to retire because...insurance.

[jqlgoblue]

A friend of mine is an esthetician and she went for a home birth but after days of labor ended up needing a c-section. She's pretty rational and I'm quite certain the decision to try home birth is b/c she has insurance thru Obamacare which wasn't great to begin with but keeps getting worse b/c the Republicans want to decimate it. Very little is really covered... So now she probably has hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.

One thing I learned in grad school that is fascinating is more homogeneous societies are more likely to have what Americans call socialized medicine b/c people are more OK with pooling money to pay for things when it goes to people like them. This is the downfall of America's melting pot. People don't want to pool resources for people NOT like them.

[TatiFish9]

53 minutes ago, jqlgoblue said:

 This is the downfall of America's melting pot. People don't want to pool resources for people NOT like them.

I agree. I would also add that people don't want to accept that most people/groups are similar when we get to the nuts and bolts of things. This need to separate and categorize is a human issue but is specifically prevalent in a society obsessed with social and religious superiority. "Must be better. Will be best!"

[Satan'sFortress]

@omgpleasestop  and others:

If you haven't seen it, I recommend watching Sicko, the documentary about the American healthcare system by Michael Moore.  It is about people in the US who have health insurance, and how crappy it still is.

This thread drift is making me so sad and angry.

The real kicker for my family is mental health coverage.  We have several members of the Fortress family who have anxiety and other issues---that coverage sucks worse than "regular" health coverage and we can't go to any of the therapists that are recommended by the pediatrician because, of course, they are out of network. And even in network, it is so expensive.  The last thing, the absolute last thing you want to deal with when you have mental illness is the red tape of insurance and co-pays and limited number of visits.

Don't get me started on vision coverage.

But Trump has promised us a big new beautiful healthcare plan, so at least there's that.

[Smee]

@AussieKrissy I’m pretty sure it’s QLD where ambulance is covered. I’m in NSW too and if I only wanted ambulance cover I think it’s something like $8 a month through my private health insurer. 

I still want to fight for better coverage in our “universal” healthcare, because with a mental illness I can see how many poor people can’t get out of their situations with the weak support currently offered. I’ve been hospitalised for severe depression & suicidal ideation three times. The first time was via the public healthcare system, where I had to spend all day in waiting rooms telling different  health professionals my story while they all agreed that I should be admitted but had no beds, so I got told they would call ahead to another hospital where there was another Dr or receptionist or resident or psychiatrist waiting for me to repeat myself. After telling seven different people the same thing, eventually someone found a spot and they kept me in a locked ward for 3 days listening to the patient in the next room scream and hit the wall. I saw a psychiatry resident once a day and they increased my meds. Other than that, I was alone. When they thought I wasn’t an immediate threat to my life anymore, I was discharged.

The second time was in a private hospital, where my name had been put on the wait list the day I was admitted to the public hospital, and three weeks later a bed opened up. I saw the same psychiatrist three times a week and a psychologist daily, had nurses talking to me every couple of hours, 3 group therapy sessions a day as well as scheduled bush walks and relaxation sessions. Meds were adjusted again. Family, including my kids, could visit as often as they wanted. I stayed for 3 weeks and went home feeling much more capable of facing the world. But the second-top tier of private health insurance I’d been paying $300/month premiums to for the past ten years only covered “minimum benefits” for psychiatric care, so I was out of pocket $5000 for that hospitalisation.  The third time I’d upped my private health coverage (I think my premiums are now about $180/fortnight) so I only paid the $600 excess for another 3 week stay, but I did have to wait three months for the bed to be available. If you’re not rich, or your case is urgent, the best you can hope for is a couple of days of treatment like my first experience.

Sometimes I’m angry at our government and the underfunded healthcare system, then I read stories from Americans and I thank God for Australia and my completely free hospital births (where I needed pitocin to prevent/treat haemorrhage after all 3, had one prematurely, one that sent me to surgery under general anaesthetic, and one that spent some time in the special care nursery for temperature regulation).

40 minutes ago, Satan'sFortress said:

 The last thing, the absolute last thing you want to deal with when you have mental illness is the red tape of insurance and co-pays and limited number of visits.

Ooh yes, this too. Again I can only imagine how much harder it would be in the US. Our government is all “oh, you can go to the doctor and get a mental health plan which will cover up to ten visits a year”. First, it’s not ten visits, it’s six and then you have to go back to the doctor to get another referral for another four. Secondly, it’s not “covered”, it’s $90 paid by Medicare and the other $80 paid by me. And thirdly, when you’re mentally unwell you need to be seeing a psychologist more often than once a month.

[feministxtian]

Considering how much the VA has fucked up, I am glad that they are willing to pay for outside doctors to treat Mr. Xtian. It took a little screaming, yelling and threatening, but he got hooked up with Tri-West and is now under the care of one of the top cancer specialists in the area. They will pay for ALL tests, scans, surgeries, medications, etc. The VA paid for the wheelchair and walker, an insulin pump, all the accessories, insulin, medications, etc. he needs. 

Right now I'm paying out the ass for COBRA coverage. HOPEFULLY if Mr. Xtian gets rated 100% disabled, I will get insurance through the VA/DoD. It'll cost me 700 bucks A YEAR. 

The US needs universal health care...now. I see other diabetics and cancer patients who cannot afford to do what they need to do to stay alive. It's bullshit. 

[Firebird]

On 6/21/2019 at 10:05 PM, HerNameIsBuffy said:

I grew up in a highly Conservative, Biblical Patriarchy, hypocritical Dave Ramsey following family and my beliefs sure got a kick in the pants once I had a mental breakdown with panic attacks and couldn't work. Thankfully my husband carried the insurance, but it was pretty touch and go, and I was actually thankful for my infertility because there is no way I could have afforded kids on top of everything else. My church is fairly open minded and provided us with TOPS giftcards for gas and groceries to get us through. I also had family that stepped in and paid for some groceries. I'm still paying off healthcare bills while working for minimum wage. I've really had to take a good look at my beliefs as has my husband, and I can swallow my pride and admit I was wrong. Now I am trying to figure out what I believe, and in short, Yes, the USA has really sucky healthcare. 

 

Edited June 24, 2019 by Firebird
Somehow that ended up in a quote box? Sorry, dont know how to fix

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

24 minutes ago, feministxtian said:

Considering how much the VA has fucked up, I am glad that they are willing to pay for outside doctors to treat Mr. Xtian. It took a little screaming, yelling and threatening, but he got hooked up with Tri-West and is now under the care of one of the top cancer specialists in the area. They will pay for ALL tests, scans, surgeries, medications, etc. The VA paid for the wheelchair and walker, an insulin pump, all the accessories, insulin, medications, etc. he needs. 

Right now I'm paying out the ass for COBRA coverage. HOPEFULLY if Mr. Xtian gets rated 100% disabled, I will get insurance through the VA/DoD. It'll cost me 700 bucks A YEAR. 

The US needs universal health care...now. I see other diabetics and cancer patients who cannot afford to do what they need to do to stay alive. It's bullshit. 

My dad was really happy with his care at the VA until he fell a few months ago, he's 73, and fell like a plank on a tile floor when he tripped over the dog, he cracked 8 ribs, to make it worse, he had bronchitis at the time, and the VA said he was sore from the fall he was fine, they didn't do xrays or anything blew him off.  A Week later he can barely take a breath because the pain is so bad, step mom made him to to see her doc and they did x=rays found the cracked ribs and the bronchitis had turned into pneumonia, he was in the hospital for 2 days to get pain control and treat the pneumonia, it could have been very bad, he's not young guy, that was the 1st time any of us saw him look like an "old man" and it was a little scary.  The VA's ignorance could have killed him.  They did wind up paying for all of his care, because of lack on attention from the initial visit.  The VA is overwhelmed and underfunded. the old guys from Korea and Vietnam and are getting OLD, we still have WWII vets add to that the 1st Iraq vets, then the men and women from Iraq & Afghanistan and there are so many to care for with too little money. 

This is how we treat our war vets, it is disgusting. they don't want to pay for this car, they want to pay lipservice, because their is too much money to be made in screwing them over. 

[feministxtian]

1 minute ago, allthegoodnamesrgone said:

The VA is overwhelmed and underfunded. the old guys from Korea and Vietnam and are getting OLD, we still have WWII vets add to that the 1st Iraq vets, then the men and women from Iraq & Afghanistan and there are so many to care for with too little money. 

The doctors they hire are usually not well-investigated. Most are from bottom tier medical schools, no research, no papers, no nothing to their names. Most of the "specialists" are not from the US, can't speak intelligible English and in general are rather ignorant (ref: going round and round w/Chinese endocrinologist who didn't understand how an insulin pump worked) (See also Jordanian oncologist with no real credentials in oncology that is responsible for my husband's stage 4 cancer). 

They'll tell you "we're here to serve the vets"...well, maybe a few, but the truth is they're there because they couldn't get hired in the civilian world due to incompetence. They're immune to malpractice suits, so they can fuck up all they want. At some point I plan to start really raising hell about the VA, and start busting chops publicly. It takes one little spark to start a forest fire...I plan to be that spark. 

[AussieKrissy]

6 hours ago, Smee said:

@AussieKrissy I’m pretty sure it’s QLD where ambulance is covered. I’m in NSW too and if I only wanted ambulance cover I think it’s something like $8 a month through my private health insurer. 

I still want to fight for better coverage in our “universal” healthcare, because with a mental illness I can see how many poor people can’t get out of their situations with the weak support currently offered. I’ve been hospitalised for severe depression & suicidal ideation three times. The first time was via the public healthcare system, where I had to spend all day in waiting rooms telling different  health professionals my story while they all agreed that I should be admitted but had no beds, so I got told they would call ahead to another hospital where there was another Dr or receptionist or resident or psychiatrist waiting for me to repeat myself. After telling seven different people the same thing, eventually someone found a spot and they kept me in a locked ward for 3 days listening to the patient in the next room scream and hit the wall. I saw a psychiatry resident once a day and they increased my meds. Other than that, I was alone. When they thought I wasn’t an immediate threat to my life anymore, I was discharged.

The second time was in a private hospital, where my name had been put on the wait list the day I was admitted to the public hospital, and three weeks later a bed opened up. I saw the same psychiatrist three times a week and a psychologist daily, had nurses talking to me every couple of hours, 3 group therapy sessions a day as well as scheduled bush walks and relaxation sessions. Meds were adjusted again. Family, including my kids, could visit as often as they wanted. I stayed for 3 weeks and went home feeling much more capable of facing the world. But the second-top tier of private health insurance I’d been paying $300/month premiums to for the past ten years only covered “minimum benefits” for psychiatric care, so I was out of pocket $5000 for that hospitalisation.  The third time I’d upped my private health coverage (I think my premiums are now about $180/fortnight) so I only paid the $600 excess for another 3 week stay, but I did have to wait three months for the bed to be available. If you’re not rich, or your case is urgent, the best you can hope for is a couple of days of treatment like my first experience.

Sometimes I’m angry at our government and the underfunded healthcare system, then I read stories from Americans and I thank God for Australia and my completely free hospital births (where I needed pitocin to prevent/treat haemorrhage after all 3, had one prematurely, one that sent me to surgery under general anaesthetic, and one that spent some time in the special care nursery for temperature regulation).

Ooh yes, this too. Again I can only imagine how much harder it would be in the US. Our government is all “oh, you can go to the doctor and get a mental health plan which will cover up to ten visits a year”. First, it’s not ten visits, it’s six and then you have to go back to the doctor to get another referral for another four. Secondly, it’s not “covered”, it’s $90 paid by Medicare and the other $80 paid by me. And thirdly, when you’re mentally unwell you need to be seeing a psychologist more often than once a month.

Yes mental illness is something woefully underfunded. 

I can’t see how the government would not be able to see how putting money into mental health will have long term benefits. 

But the government will pay to sail a replica endeavour around Australia. Or a big Spanish company to build trains that won’t fit on our roads. 

I’m the same. Know our system could be way better. So glad I’m not American. 

I hope your mental health journey stays as smooth as possible.  Xoxoxo