Josiah and Lauren 14: Another Grand-Duggar on the Way (Miscarriage Content Warning)

[jillsdopplerofdoom]

Well I was wrong about SiRen having twins then. More girls to look after future siblings. JoKen will probably be pregnant again by the end of next year.

I do fear that someone (possibly Joy) will face complications if they continue to have these risky home births. 

 

I don't think the Duggar offspring will want to continue having a public life if CO is cancelled. Apart from Jill and maybe Jessa/Bin, none of them seem desperate for fame. Joystin/Jabbie/JoKen seem very private.

[BachelorToTheRapture]

I hate seeing so many girls born so early in the birth order. All I can think is how some of these families seem likely to go for a TON of kids, now they'll have sister moms to help out in 5-6 years. These poor little girls

[SorenaJ]

Does anyone have a link for the gender reveals for non-US people? 

Also I laughed so hard at this sentence (from the Duggar family website): “Josiah and Lauren had blood work done to find out the gender”. Oh it’s that easy, is it? Piece of cake. Next time I’m a bit unsure of my gender, I’ll go to the doctor and have a blood test. Congratulations, you’re an... Or you know, maybe I’ll put on a sorting hat that can tell me my gender. I might lend it to the Duggars for future gender reveals. 

Baby Girl Duggar (both of you), if you ever want to escape the cult, my home is open. Run, girl, run. 

[browngrl]

5 minutes ago, SorenaJ said:

“Josiah and Lauren had blood work done to find out the gender”. Oh it’s that easy, is it?

It actually is. I'll bet they had a cell free DNA test. It is usually done around 10 - 12 weeks and in addition to information regarding multiple genetic anomalies, you also find out the gender.  It is just a blood test for the mother - so zero risk to the fetus and it is very accurate and readily available (at least where I live it is). It can however be expensive.  

edited to add: I am using gender in the medical terminology sense of male or female gender. I hope I have not offended any one who is non binary (I also hope  have used this term correctly).

Edited June 25, 2019 by browngrl
I do not wish to offend but if I have please accept my apologies

[OhNoNike]

So, question - why would they be doing the blood tests if they are “pro life” and the results of the test would be irrelevant?

I am seriously asking, because I’ve had babies recently enough that these blood tests were optional for me and I was told not everyone chose to do them. 

I could totally have missed something - I guess it could also give results about maternal health too. 

Also - I am all about finding out all the things possible as far as the baby (any genetic issues etc), but playing devils advocate here. Wondering why they do it if it really doesn’t matter. 

[meee]

3 minutes ago, OhNoNike said:

So, question - why would they be doing the blood tests if they are “pro life” and the results of the test would be irrelevant?

I am seriously asking, because I’ve had babies recently enough that these blood tests were optional for me and I was told not everyone chose to do them. 

I could totally have missed something - I guess it could also give results about maternal health too. 

Also - I am all about finding out all the things possible as far as the baby (any genetic issues etc), but playing devils advocate here. Wondering why they do it if it really doesn’t matter. 

I assumed they want reassurance. They're post-miscarriage, and scared, and probably just want to see that everything is okay.

[OhNoNike]

That’s a great point. 

[jillsdopplerofdoom]

Well at least it sounds like she is being closely monitored. 

[SillyDillys]

Well if she got a blood test, most likely she is getting some type of care, which is a rarity for her sisters in law. I am just so perplexed on how these girls were taught to pop out baby after baby but then seek no prenatal care. I don't know but I have a bad feeling about Joy's birth. 1 year post C-Section and she might be carrying another large baby. As much as I can't stand their stupidity, I would not want to hear something happened to one of them or the kids because they decided to attempt a  risky home birth. 

If they are so 'pro life' wouldn't do they want to do everything possible to make sure no one dies in child birth? Because it is still risky. Thinking about my friend's aunt and Kristy Balka (Josie Bates mother in law) who both died in childbirth. 

[fluffernutter]

2 hours ago, OhNoNike said:

This was excellent.  There’s an “If These Walls Could Talk 2” with Ellen Degeneres, too. 

So good. I have them on DVD

Really?! Wow I did not know that! I will look into watching that. 

[VelociRapture]

1 hour ago, browngrl said:

It actually is. I'll bet they had a cell free DNA test. It is usually done around 10 - 12 weeks and in addition to information regarding multiple genetic anomalies, you also find out the gender.  It is just a blood test for the mother - so zero risk to the fetus and it is very accurate and readily available (at least where I live it is). It can however be expensive.  

edited to add: I am using gender in the medical terminology sense of male or female gender. I hope I have not offended any one who is non binary (I also hope  have used this term correctly).

She was making a joke about how they insist on using the term “gender” when the correct term is actually “sex.” The Duggars don’t believe there’s a difference between the two and I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that they’re all likely squeamish about using the word “sex” in that way. 

And as far as I know, the medical definition specifically states that gender is a person’s internal way of viewing or feeling about themself, as well as the cultural and social norms associated. My understanding is that gender basically is internal, while sex is the physical parts you have. If that’s accurate then it’s actually impossible to know the gender of another person until they’re old enough to make that known. I’m not bothered by people who assume based off their child’s parts so long as they’re willing to accept and support their child if they eventually let them know that their sex does not match up with their gender. I am bothered greatly by the Duggars though because they don’t seem capable of doing that. Any Transgender or gender non-conforming child that might be born to these people is going to suffer greatly due to their bigotry and ignorance. 

Edited June 25, 2019 by VelociRapture

[Mimosa]

1 hour ago, OhNoNike said:

So, question - why would they be doing the blood tests if they are “pro life” and the results of the test would be irrelevant?

I am seriously asking, because I’ve had babies recently enough that these blood tests were optional for me and I was told not everyone chose to do them. 

I could totally have missed something - I guess it could also give results about maternal health too. 

Also - I am all about finding out all the things possible as far as the baby (any genetic issues etc), but playing devils advocate here. Wondering why they do it if it really doesn’t matter. 

Even if you aren't going to abort the pregnancy for genetic abnormalities, it is nice to know what you are dealing with ahead of time. We often snark on the Duggars and their ilk for their lack of informed medical care. At least this is being proactive to any potential problems. Not that I actually believe they did the test for any reason other than to find out gender, I just don't think being pro-life has anything to do with wanting to know of any issues ahead of time. 

[OhNoNike]

1 hour ago, fluffernutter said:

Really?! Wow I did not know that! I will look into watching that. 

In part 2, it highlights lesbian relationships.  Also very eye opening and some parts made me really sad.  The cast includes Ellen Degeneres, Vanessa Redgrave Redgrave, Marian Seldes, Michelle Williams, Sharon Stone, and Chloe Sevigny.

[Melissa1977]

There are blood tests done exclusively for finding the sex. These are cheap. The others (which test genetic anormalities along with finding the sex) are the expensive ones. 

Having a blood test done doesn't mean that Lauren is getting a proper obgyn control. You can just go to a lab, pay a few money and know the sex of the baby in days.

I suppose that after her miscarriage, she's having enough doctor appointments and planning a safe delivery. But there is not evidence of that.

[Ali]

2 hours ago, OhNoNike said:

So, question - why would they be doing the blood tests if they are “pro life” and the results of the test would be irrelevant?

I am seriously asking, because I’ve had babies recently enough that these blood tests were optional for me and I was told not everyone chose to do them. 

I could totally have missed something - I guess it could also give results about maternal health too. 

Also - I am all about finding out all the things possible as far as the baby (any genetic issues etc), but playing devils advocate here. Wondering why they do it if it really doesn’t matter. 

I asked my OB this question when he recommended me getting the blood test for chromosomal disorders. I told him I would not want to abort for that reason. He told me that it is useful to make sure the baby has the best shot at life. For example, it is common for Down Syndrome babies to have heart issues, so detecting Down Syndrome early on would result in additional ultrasounds to look at the heart.

[QuiverFullofBooks]

Why are Joe and Kendra wearing blue in their “it’s a girl” video?

[TheMustardCardigan]

Oh wow, another girl. Wouldn’t be surprised if JB is already planning on marketing this group of girls as the new Jana, Jill, Jessa, and Jinger 15 years down the road.  I already feel like they’re priming us for that with Johannah, Jordyn, Josie, and Mackynzie in some ways. 

[browngrl]

Even if a person would never consider abortion, cell free DNA (or the other screening tests) can provide useful information. Some blood markers can reveal increased risk for a variety of obstetric/fetal issues which might mean a change in obstetric care. Additionally knowing a diagnosis can allow the parents to plan where there they plan to deliver eg in a recent case a genetic syndrome + accompanying cardiac anomaly was detected. The parents elected to deliver in a tertiary care hospital with access to Sick Kids Hospital for cardiac surgery, NICU etc and a high risk obstetric unit.  

 

Edited June 25, 2019 by browngrl
forgot something

[VelociRapture]

We skipped medical testing with our first pregnancy, but we had it done this time. I don’t remember exact specifics, but there were four brackets of testing that could be done:

- The first was for Down Syndrome and two Trisomies.

- Second was sex testing that would tell you the exact chromosomal pairing (so XX, XY, XXX, X-, etc.)

- Third was for six conditions like Fragile X Syndrome and Cystic Fibrosis.

- Last one was for, I believe, very rare conditions like Angelman’s Syndrome.  

Each test cost $200 each without insurance. You could pick and choose whichever ones you wanted, but you couldn’t select just the test for the Sex. If you wanted that batch of tests then you also needed to have the testing for Down Syndrome done. I think that was to prevent people from using it simply as a way to learn the sex. 

Husband and I opted to test for the first and third batches. The last batch are conditions that are extremely rare. We felt comfortable skipping those for that reason and because I’m having weekly ultrasounds throughout the second and third trimesters - it’s possible we’d catch an issue through that. We skipped the sex tests as well because we didn’t want to know the exact chromosomal pairings if it came back as something unusual - some pairings can be linked to certain conditions (like ADHD) and we know ourselves well enough to know we’d be anxious over the possibility of our baby eventually showing signs of those conditions. It was best for us and our future baby to just skip it. 

Everything came back negative for me except Fragile X. One of my X chromosomes is normal and the other is just over the normal threshold in what’s called the grey scale (like literally one point over the threshold.) What that means is I’m technically a carrier of the condition, though the odds of either of my children having the actual condition themselves are next to zero. If my daughter is a carrier too then she might eventually pass that along and it could develop into a full blown condition several generations from now. So it was cool to have that done and it resulted in pretty much the best case scenario because now we know it’s something to keep in mind if our daughter wants to have biological children one day. 

[Don'tlikekoolaid]

Does Lauren have Celiac Disease?  If so it would explain the miscarriage as Celiacs have a difficult time carrying to term.  I hope this pregnancy goes well for her sake.  

[HerNameIsBuffy]

2 hours ago, TheMustardCardigan said:

Oh wow, another girl. Wouldn’t be surprised if JB is already planning on marketing this group of girls as the new Jana, Jill, Jessa, and Jinger 15 years down the road.  I already feel like they’re priming us for that with Johannah, Jordyn, Josie, and Mackynzie in some ways. 

Isn’t he trying to make them into mini-fundy spice girls?

because that’s what the world needs.

[Snarkasarus Rex]

21 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

Isn’t he trying to make them into mini-fundy spice girls?

because that’s what the world needs.

Will he name them Precious, Godly, Sweet, Blessing, and Heistheway?  Oh wait...

[divadivine]

1 hour ago, Don'tlikekoolaid said:

Does Lauren have Celiac Disease?  If so it would explain the miscarriage as Celiacs have a difficult time carrying to term.  I hope this pregnancy goes well for her sake.  

I think she might have Celiac Disease or she has a high level of sensitivity to gluten. 

[Smee]

I would not have terminated unless the pregnancy was a risk to my life, but I still had the testing for risk of chromosomal disorders etc done each pregnancy (this particular blood test is newer and wasn’t offered at the time). If they’d come back high risk, I would have researched more, found support groups, had a medical team prepared for how it might affect the birthing process or breastfeeding etc. If I’d found that a baby I was carrying had something like Trisomy 13 and wouldn’t survive, I probably would not have announced that pregnancy to the same people in the same way. That kind of knowledge impacts much more than just whether you’ll have an abortion or not. 

I get sensitive about this, because I’ve heard idiot pastors refer to it as “the one where you check if they have downs so you can abort” before and I think that attitude encourages women to skip or question medical care that could be very important to providing the best outcomes for them and their baby.

[Nikedagain?]

10 hours ago, Jinder Roles said:

To add to the abortion topic: 

Never forget that sex is not only recreational or procreational. It’s also a bartering tool, a means of earning money, a healing tool, a ways of connection etc. 

For some women, sex is necessary to maintaining some sort of safety net, or helps maintain their relationships which they need to survive. A lot of women in these situations have little to no access to birth control & other contraceptives. This in addition to the already abysmal state of sex education. 

So to the poster who thinks people are irresponsible, it’s waaaayy more complicated than that. 

cosign this so, so much.

 

 I had an abortion (in the 80's).

I also (before the abortion) placed a child for adoption. The latter has been far more traumatic for me. I attended a Southern Baptist college (Godddd, such a toxic place) during this time that really confused me and left me with this nagging feeling that something was patently wrong with me because I felt no guilt/trauma related to terminating a crisis pregnancy on my own terms. 

Now I'm a middle aged, passionate clinic escort.