Seriously Steve 2: She Was a Woman, So She Probably F*cked Up Somewhere

[smittykins]

I actually used to play DOOM(a favorite of my gamer husband)sometimes after a particularly trying day at the salt minesfast food joint with a creepy royal mascot.

But only on the lowest difficulty setting.  I’m kind of a fraidy cat. 

[JordynDarby5]

I was hooked on Neopets during most of my years working at the grocery store those games were fun and blew most of my money on books and DVDs. Not all of it as I was still responsible for my car, insurance, gas and any repairs it needed.  My mom was hooked on a few Facebook games she loved online slot machines when she wasn't at the casinos but ticked when the government decided to make it so you couldn't use real money to play. Too bad she won a crap load of non-real credits. 

[FiveAcres]

With the discussion of video games, I just saw an ad for downloading one of the Magic the Game apps. ?

I have learned that I cannot play freemium games. I am too easily sucked into paying for the "extras." I prefer ad supported games where I can pay to turn off the ads. 

[allyisyourpally5]

I’m sitting on my couch, staring forward at my TV. And games console. Thinking about my lack of drive and ambition because I enjoy video games sometimes.

Yep, no drive. It’s ruined my life playing computer games. All I’ve ever managed to do is juggle a retail job with high school and university. I’ve only gained one degree. All I’ve done with my video games in hand is live Germany for 6 months while studying. I’ve only managed to move across to America for two years plus 2 additional summers working at Summer Camp. I’ve only managed to hold down full time work (plus commute) for the last 10 years. My enjoyment of playing video games has lead me to owning my own home instead of living with my parents. I’ve only managed to squeeze in one evening of voluntary work each week for the past decade because I played a video game. I’ve only managed to travel to 27 countries in total with my lack of ambition and drive. I’ve only managed to climb my career ladder while earning my own money. And due to that video game fun, I can spend my money how I wish, and don’t have to ask anyone for f I want to see my friends or do on a solo or group vacation. I mean I have close friends and get on well with my colleagues, I’m just a failure really. 

Really haven’t accomplished much. Curse my parents for letting me have that playstation.

Just imagine if I had never had that thing. I could have my name stencilled on a bunk bed and still have the Joy in my thirties of sharing a room with my sister! I would only have to work 3 odd hours a day and only for family - how easy! I would have done the same vacation every year (boy I’ve missed out) I would be so busy right now without my PlayStation , so busy doing..........um.........cleaning? Babysitting? Reading my Bible again and again? Endless possibilities. And best of all, I would have no friends to laugh and share good times with, my parents would be monitoring my internet use as a grown adult and holding me accountable for every action of every minute of every day........

You can’t make this up can you?

Steve, what do you and your family actually do all day? Your daughter do pointless busy work most of the time. Maybe one of them should actually get a job out in public and spread the message you’ve raised them with and be held accountable by someone who’s not family. 

You know what skills those video game loving baggers have that your children don’t?

- time management. They actually have to get to work on time, not just walk to a desk next to their living room and take a leisurely lunch to bake cookies and play with family children like your daughters do. They have to be on time, often will get stuck and stay late and clock in and out of a set break time that they won’t have much choice on. Your “children” have no clue about this.

- They have to be polite. Steve your family are not polite. You do not come across as Godly. You come across as rude, patronising and smug. And you have absolutely no idea how to have a good conversation. You really think that the reason why your family had no “good” conversations for many years of travelling was down to dozens, possibly hundreds of families all completely lacking conversation skills? Did you ever think the common denominator there was actually you?

- You’ve killed the drive of your daughters, how dare you accuse young baggers of having no ambition or drive. Get your daughters to earn an honest living and actually work before preaching from your ivory tower.

Yeesh. This family actually make me angry these days.

[Bluebirdbluebell]

@allyisyourpally5 I have to reluctantly agree with most of what you said. I think his girls are on the clock due to the Holy Schedule, but there is a lot of hypocrisy in going after the baggers vs Steve's girls. I also think they do useful things like cook, and babysit for their nieces and nephews. 

On the other hand, most of what they do seems to be day-to-day chores and responsibilities. The girls seem to have no long term plans, no bigger dreams or ambitions, etc. The closest thing they have to a long term plan is a desire to get married and have children. They are building housewife skills, but from you have shared, they don't seem to be looking for eligible men to marry.  I realize we don't know everything, but the Maxwell girls don't seem to go to single events at the church, they don't seem to have joined Christian dating sites, and they seem to barely even go to weddings and other events to meet people, etc. 

In the Motivated Vs. Unmotivated column, Steve told a bagger with a graphic design degree that if the bagger gave Steve his phone number, Steve would help him find a job. The bagger told Steve he wasn't looking for a job. Steve decided he was unmotivated. What would happen if a man met one of the Maxwell daughters in the grocery store? If he offered the daughter his phone number, would she be unmotivated for not taking it or giving him her phone number?  

For what's it's worth, I don't think that a woman should give out her phone number/take his phone number if she doesn't want to exchange phone numbers. I also don't blame the Maxwell girls for their current situation. They seem to be under their parents' thumbs, who like the situation the way it is. This post is not supposed to be a dig at the Maxwell daughters, but a dig at Steve, who I guess only values ambition and motivation from men. 

 

[allyisyourpally5]

@Bluebirdbluebell I think we are actually in full agreement near enough, because like you, everything I’ve said about the daughters, is really about Steve, he’s the one who’s killed the drive in his daughters which is why it pisses me off when he preaches about people with no apparent drive.  He’s a hypocrite. 

Also I realised after your comment about useful work the daughters do - I do agree, some of what they do is useful but they shouldn’t be doing all of that full time at their age like they do when they are capable of so much more. This discussion has been had many times though so I won’t repeat what I think we all mostly agree on!

 

Its just the hypocrisy and the fact that so many families with young children are potentially listening to this garbage and acting on it. I don’t believe his audience is as big as it once was but still. 
 

And I’m 100% with you - I wouldn’t give my number, or take a number, from some random man telling me about a job when I’m doing a job at that point. And if I was uncomfortable I would probably be trying to end a conversation by saying “I’m not interested”. I suspect this is likely what the bagger was trying to do.

[Ozlsn]

11 hours ago, allyisyourpally5 said:

And I’m 100% with you - I wouldn’t give my number, or take a number, from some random man telling me about a job when I’m doing a job at that point. And if I was uncomfortable I would probably be trying to end a conversation by saying “I’m not interested”. I suspect this is likely what the bagger was trying to do.

And now I'm wondering if the bagger thought Steve was trying to convert him or pick him up... 

[HeartsAFundie]

I have to weigh in on this bagger conversation if only to make Steve realize he shouldn't assume.  My son is 24, out of college for two years (from which he graduated magna cum laude),  and is employed full-time, living with us to save money.   He doesn't make big bucks, but has been very fortunate (and dare I say, blessed) to work from home throughout this pandemic without missing a beat.  He is looking for opportunities to move up within the company but current circumstances, not his motivation level, have obviously placed a dent in that.   

He doesn't drink, smoke or do drugs....but is a certified gamer with a passion for XBox and D & D.  Right now video games and D & D via Skype/Zoom is the main way he has been able to stay in touch with his friends throughout the pandemic.  His girlfriend, with whom he has been since 2017, has rediscovered her high school gaming passion during their relationship and is also part of his gamers' group.   Gaming also helps him relieve stress.  He has told me numerous times "Would you rather see me at a bar with my buddies drinking myself into oblivion, or safe at home in front of the Xbox?" As a mom you can guess what my answer is.  If his only "vice" is playing video games then I consider myself to be pretty damn lucky.  

And Steve would be interested to know that my son saves a hefty hunk of his paycheck each week-plus contributes to his work 401K- because he and his girlfriend, an equally aggressive saver, are looking ahead to the big picture and hope to someday buy a house with as big of a down payment as possible.  Saving money is for everyone....not just for fundies. Mind blown!

So in closing I would like to remind Steve of what Tony Randall, as Felix Unger on "The Odd Couple", says about assuming:  "When you assume, you make an ass out of you and me".    He has no idea what that bagger has going on behind the scenes, nor is that bagger obliged to tell him!  

[allyisyourpally5]

I think the issue with Steve is he doesn’t understand that you can balance things in life. 

You can earn your money and save it, but you can also treat yourself to something you enjoy - like gaming, a hobby, something you collect that gives you happiness......people can save and spend!

You can have friends and still love your family.

You can move away and still be close with your family.

You can have fun outside of work and still be the hardest working employee / worker on the planet.

Children can take authority from many people and still understand the overall authority and love of their parents.

The worlds not Black and White. There’s grey.

[nokidsmom]

On 12/19/2020 at 6:34 PM, Bluebirdbluebell said:

I also don't blame the Maxwell girls for their current situation. They seem to be under their parents' thumbs, who like the situation the way it is. This post is not supposed to be a dig at the Maxwell daughters, but a dig at Steve, who I guess only values ambition and motivation from men. 

I agree, I don't blame the girls this is definitely on Steve, and Teri as well.   Both parents have, quite frankly, taken advantage of their daughters and it's not just the presumably strict requirements for suitors that have been a barrier to them leaving the compound.   While it seems pretty likely IMHO that Steve has scared off a number of suitors, at the same time, it's pretty apparent how much he and Teri have relied on their daughters over the years and would be at a total loss on how to deal with things themselves should any of them leave the family home.

I suspect the daughters have pretty much consigned themselves to life in the compound at this point.   I would not be surprised that all of them had suitors interested in them and watched Daddy run them off.   There's probably word gone around that Daddy Maxwell is impossible, so don't bother.  The insularity of the family doesn't help their situation and the conferences, which would give them some opportunity to meet people, are over.

The sad part is that they have been raised to think that marriage and motherhood are their goals in life, something that their parents have instilled in them, and yet those same parents have been prevented those goals from being realized.    I can't imagine the resentment that has be under those smiling faces shown on the blog.  

[Hane]

@nokidsmom, it’s possible that Stevehovah has run possible suitors off, but it’s equally possible that his three daughters think no other man can possibly live up to Daddy, in their minds. Look at Sarah’s freebie book on Amazon: Dad Moody comes across as a pompous, self-righteous, self-important boor, but it’s obvious from her writing that Sarah reveres him as a perfect god among men.

[nokidsmom]

7 minutes ago, Hane said:

@nokidsmom, it’s possible that Stevehovah has run possible suitors off, but it’s equally possible that his three daughters think no other man can possibly live up to Daddy, in their minds. Look at Sarah’s freebie book on Amazon: Dad Moody comes across as a pompous, self-righteous, self-important boor, but it’s obvious from her writing that Sarah reveres him as a perfect god among men.

You are right, it is also possible that the daughters' standards are impossible rather than their father's.   Or a mix of both.  

Since Stevehovah has a track record of controlling so of much of his childrens' lives as well as limiting their potential (which pisses us off here at FJ to no end) it's easy to focus on Steve entirely being the culprit when it comes to his daughters' ongoing single status.    

[Jana814]

The thing with the Maxwell daughters, is they want a man like their father. He’s the only type of male figure they have been around.  However, their are very few men that are like Steve. 

Edited December 21, 2020 by Jana814

[nokidsmom]

Just now, Jana814 said:

The thing with the Maxwell daughters, is they want a man like their father. He’s the only type of male figure they have been around.  However, their are very few men they are like Steve. 

To the bolded: not so good for the Maxwell daughters, but better for the rest of world.

[Bluebirdbluebell]

13 minutes ago, Jana814 said:

The thing with the Maxwell daughters, is they want a man like their father. He’s the only type of male figure they have been around.  However, their are very few men that are like Steve. 

They know their brothers and I believe they knew Teri's father. While their brothers share the same beliefs, some of them seem to have different personalities. 

I have no idea what they're looking for in a man, besides a fundie. 

[griffin]

A movie about Steve could be "Zero Shades of Grey"

[Bluebirdbluebell]

5 hours ago, griffin said:

A movie about Steve could be "Zero Shades of Grey"

You're more positive than I am he's not a sadist. 

[grammyj]

Sorry Hane. I meant to agree with your last comment but hit "confused" instead. Am not confused about your content but am confused about how to fix it. 

[allyisyourpally5]

Agree that it’s very possible the girls have turned away suitors, and of course equally likely that this is because what they have been taught is a Godly man.....basically doesn’t exist.

Its the lack of, to struggle to find the words......human instinct and human nature that the daughters seem to lack that just baffles me. In my opinion it also demonstrates what must constantly be happening in their home to crush it.

These are three women who live at home under the rules of their parents, sharing a room and staying in their bubble with no freedom. We know this. They can’t just say they’re going out for the night or are gonna skip breakfast and sleep in. 

A baby is a natural explorer, all humans are born to be curious and want to learn and inquire and find things out. We all know these are the natural instincts that fundies want to kill and squash from their children. There’s also a natural instinct of “why”.

Many people escape the more extreme Reigious world. Take FLDS for example - people leave. They’ve been raised totally isolated from the world yet their human instinct of right and wrong and the natural ability to question leads many to explore their options and leave, even if they have been raised to be terrified.

I just dread to think what is said on a daily basis in that house that has prevented a woman who is nearly 40 from saying “actually I can raise enough money, I think I’ll move out even though I’m single” Or indeed has stopped the daughters from sharing their own house or apartment together, or simply going by their own schedule. The guilt and lies that must be put on them daily must be alarming.

 

[fundiefan]

I said Steve was sitting in judgment on others at their real church and his latest "seriously" crap proves it. He's bitching about kids in church who don't pay attention. 

What a predictable, hateful, ugly twat. 

[nokidsmom]

17 minutes ago, allyisyourpally5 said:

I just dread to think what is said on a daily basis in that house that has prevented a woman who is nearly 40 from saying “actually I can raise enough money, I think I’ll move out even though I’m single” Or indeed has stopped the daughters from sharing their own house or apartment together, or simply going by their own schedule. The guilt and lies that must be put on them daily must be alarming.

I dread to think about it too because my sisters and I went through a lot of guilting and other emotional manipulation by our parents as adults over issues of independence, even after we were married.  I call my family Maxwellian for a reason.   My dad on his worst days could be lot like Steve and my mom was too much like Teri, she acquiesced to my father far too much.    They weren't as extreme as the Maxwell parents, we weren't fundie, had normal educations and held jobs.  Given how isolated and limited the Maxwell daughters are, I truly see them as in a prison with their parents as their guards who give them little leeway.  But I can easily imagine what Steve and Teri say in order to keep the daughters close and firmly under their control.

My parents did NOT like my moving out despite the fact that I just worked my way through college, earning a university degree and paying for a good part of it.   They did NOT like my youngest sister moving out of state when she married, in her 30s, no less.   They were more comfortable when my middle sister married because they were able to control her and her future husband in their choices as to where they lived (Hint: it was close by, sound familiar?) and other decisions that IMHO were not theirs to involve themselves in.   That sister is now dealing with the consequences of allowing that over-involvement.

I think that the fear of displeasing their parents is heavily ingrained in the daughters.  My sisters were very fearful of making Mom and Dad "mad" even though they had proof in me that any guilt was survivable. 

 

 

Edited December 23, 2020 by nokidsmom

[Jana814]

58 minutes ago, fundiefan said:

I said Steve was sitting in judgment on others at their real church and his latest "seriously" crap proves it. He's bitching about kids in church who don't pay attention. 

What a predictable, hateful, ugly twat. 

Sitting still isn’t always easy for kids.  Steve judges anyone who doesn’t raise their children the way he has raised his. I wouldn’t be surprised if he quizzes his kids & grandkids about what was said in church when they get home. 

Edited December 23, 2020 by Jana814

[allyisyourpally5]

Sitting still isn’t easy for me! I have very restless legs - if I go to the movie theatre (boy I miss that) I have to get popcorn because it gives me something to fiddle with. Likewise I hardly “just” watch TV - I have something in my hands. I have to be on the aisle on a plan because I just can’t stand being cooped and have to be able to live my legs. 
So I am very sympathetic to kids who struggle! Steve this is why most churches have age appropriate activities for children - even if just during the sermon. My church still gives out bags to kids with something in to read and colour if there’s no Sunday School that week (for example during school breaks it normally stops)

[Lady Grass Lake]

My kids went to a Lutheran school, and had church homework.  They got credit for going to church, and had a little form they took with them, to either draw a picture of what the sermon was about, or something they heard or saw for little ones, or for older kids, a short write up of the sermon, or psalm of the day, or again, even artwork.  So those kids Steve saw may have been doing Church homework.  Mine were.     

 

[SPHASH]

Steve is still bitching about noisy kids in church and their parents solution to put them in the nursery.