Lori Alexander 66: An Assortment of Cheap Whines

[refugee]

On 5/16/2019 at 7:53 PM, Sarah92 said:

I'm on a Lori break right now but have seen this stuff about abortions. I vote that males need to also be held accountable for their irresponsible distribution of sperm, especially ones that run out on women when they get pregnant or don't pay child support.  I say the government should charge them with " impregnation with no intent to provide which may result in termination of pregnancy" or something along those lines. Once you start forcing men to be accountable for their actions I wonder where those bills will go. Put them in jail with the doctors and see what happens. I'm certain our current president would probably be at risk for being charged. 

Unfortunately, this is my dh’s solution as well. Make men accountable!

Kenneth Shock might have been quoting him in that comment where he said people don’t need sex, etc., and probably other comments as well (or his pseudonym could even be Kenneth Shock, except that dh is perfectly happy to post such thoughts under his own name).

Oh things have been jolly around our household lately. Not.

[onemama]

14 minutes ago, SuperNova said:

I don't like the words pro-life and pro-choice

I don't like them either and I stay out of abortion arguments too.  All that arguing doesn't solve the problem and I don't get marching for life either. 

[SweetLaurel]

45 minutes ago, SuperNova said:

We are discussing the rights of poor women. A

And very young women.  I can never forget my friend as a nursing student going to a high school to give some kind of vaccines (blanking out on what now) and telling the story of a girl who whispered, "I don't think I should.  I think I might be pregnant."  And the nurse said, "well, don't you think you should be finding out for sure?" and ushered her away.   And all I could think was that poor girl was probably hanging her hopes on this day and this nurse helping her in some way and she was ignored and treated with contempt.  So many people don't have a clue what it's like and how scary it is and how much they are in need.   Breaks my heart.  Screw fifty year old rich men and holier than thou women.   Or don't screw them.  Better idea.  

[refugee]

3 hours ago, SweetLaurel said:

I'm still waiting for one single solitary man to step and say 'and men should be held accountable for unplanned, unwanted pregnancies.'  Just one.  I will sit here and not hold my breath.  Despite all the men sitting in judgement of  what women should do with their bodies. 

Oh, my dh has made this his crusade. “Men need to start conversations with men. We need to hold each other accountable.” He’s quite impressed with his proposed solution, too. I think he thinks that having serious conversations and painful consequences for men who impregnate women against the woman’s protests is going to persuade most if not all boys and men to joyously sacrifice their physical desires to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

Some of his kidults are not speaking to him at present over his staunch pro-birth-at-all-cost stand.

Edited May 18, 2019 by refugee
Added thought

[Lgirlrocks]

My biggest problem is just because some “pro life” people are truly pro life doesn’t mean most are. Most just want to wave signs and post “pro birth” post on Facebook. Abortion will always happen. Why not do all we can to prevent women from needing them while keeping them legal and safe just incase? I knew a girl in high school who was sexual active. Her mother was okay with it as long as she didn’t get pregnant by a black guy. She was white. Ended up getting pregnant by a black guy and was forced to get an abortion or be disowned. It’s incredibly sad when people don’t know how to show empathy. 

Matthew 7:3-5 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

[SilverBeach]

3 hours ago, Hane said:

There are celebrities who learned that this happened to them—can’t recall any names at the moment.)

Bobby Darin is one. Fucked him up real good when he found out.

ETA his "mother" was really his grandmother, his "sister" was really his mother.

Edited May 18, 2019 by SilverBeach

[Sarah92]

4 minutes ago, Lgirlrocks said:

My biggest problem is just because some “pro life” people are truly pro life doesn’t mean most are. Most just want to wave signs and post “pro birth” post on Facebook. Abortion will always happen. Why not do all we can to prevent women from needing them while keeping them legal and safe just incase? I knew a girl in high school who was sexual active. Her mother was okay with it as long as she didn’t get pregnant by a black guy. She was white. Ended up getting pregnant by a black guy and was forced to get an abortion or be disowned. It’s incredibly sad when people don’t know how to show empathy. 

Matthew 7:3-5 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

I agree, that's why I somewhat jokingly proposed men be jailed if they run out on a woman who's pregnant. Laws like the ones in Alabama don't address any of the issues that might lead to an abortion. If you charge woman for abortions why aren't they charging the parents who threaten to kick teens out of the home for being pregnant or the hospitals for charging so much for care? Such things often factor into the decision to abort. It's such a complex social issue that making ridiculous laws simply won't help those who are most vulnerable. 

And as someone stated above, like most things it will have no impact of the rich. It simply targets the poor women, many of whom can't afford a baby in the first place. Gah people frustrate me. I have those people on my Facebook who are all about not having the sex and "rape makes up such a small percentage blah blah blah". I mean do they realize that some doctors might now go to jail longer than a rapist ever will? That 8 year olds and maybe even younger may be forced to go through pregnancy? 

[hollyfeller]

My favorite part of the abortion debate is men saying that women can get cheap or free birth control (what form is free???) so why aren't they using it?  But when I ask them why THEY can't be responsible for birth control they call me a slut.

Recommending a vasectomy until a man is ready to start a family doesn't go well either.  When I mentioned this to someone he told me to just get my tubes tied.  Sure thing, dude.  Surgery with anesthesia is totally the same thing.

It's just way easier to make women do all of the work and also get all of the blame when birth control fails.  It's ludicrous.

[Lgirlrocks]

Most doctors won’t tie women’s tubes unless she has two kids, over 30, and gets husbands permission. 

[hollyfeller]

Oh, one other retort I've heard is that these women getting pregnant just shouldn't have sex.  How disappointed would the men be if all women decided to do that?  It's so short-sighted.

[Hane]

4 hours ago, Lgirlrocks said:

Most doctors won’t tie women’s tubes unless she has two kids, over 30, and gets husbands permission. 

Meanwhile, my second husband got a vasectomy at about 26 after having only one kid, and after his wife had a second-trimester miscarriage.

[Lgirlrocks]

FYI Lori most people don’t hate Christians they hate “Christians”. The same people that don’t want their religious freedoms taken have no problem taking others. 

Spoiler

You can’t have your cake and eat it to. We have separation of church and state for a reason. 

[ViolaSebastian]

This is some magnificent shade. For reference, Lori talked about being lonely in her last video, and about how she goes and sits in the sun and plays with her cats when she feels that way. 

[EowynW]

This was interesting. 

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Edited May 19, 2019 by EowynW
Tried so hard to get spoiler box to work on mobile but no go!

[wallysmommy]

She is too lazy to do a simple Google search and find the videos.  No matter how repulsive someone's views may be on other topics, as long as they agree with Lori on her narrow views they are good.  But those of us who are accepting of others, who listen to others' viewpoints, even when we don't agree, respect others, and work to support our families are jezebels and blasphemers.  She put RHE into hell, but she's putting this man into heaven.  

[Lgirlrocks]

Most people, who are being proven wrong about something or are told things they don’t want to hear, ask for the other person in the conversation to show proof. I never do because the response you get it “that’s not a good source because they are liberal.” Or “they lean the wrong way.” Or “I don’t believe them.” 

Lori who supposedly researches for hours a Day can’t take the time to fully vet someone. It blows my mind. 

[jerkit]

22 hours ago, Lgirlrocks said:

Most doctors won’t tie women’s tubes unless she has two kids, over 30, and gets husbands permission. 

Signed into FJ for the first time in over a year so I could respond to this. Reddit has compiled a list of doctors, organized by state, willing to provide sterilization procedures on both men and women: https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/wiki/doctors

I saw a doctor from this list and got a bilateral salpingectomy (complete removal of both Fallopian tubes) at age 30, no children, and my husband was not asked his opinion about it. 

[Lgirlrocks]

People need to quit bringing up slavery and the holocaust when they talk about abortion being wrong. One has to do with a life inside of the womb, hasn’t been born yet, and the others have to do with life already born. The holocaust had to with hatred of Jews, blacks, gipsies, lgbt, anyone with a disability, anyone that didn’t fit into the mold of the society they were trying to create, and anyone who helped the above. The Bible has rules for how we were supposed to treat slaves and slave owners used the Bible as a tool to let their slaves not only know their place but why it was okay for them to be a slave. If your child didn’t listen to you and you took them to the elders and they didn’t listen to them they were to be stoned. God killed all the first born sons in Egypt and told the Jews to mark their doors so it wouldn’t happen to them. Talk about pro life. 

Israel, the place where gods chosen people live, that still lives by the OT laws allows abortion in some cases. 

mending legal abortions won’t end them. It will only kill more women, leaving children motherless, husbands without wives, and family without a loved one. I have seen people argue that they are in fact helping women with unplanned pregnancies. That’s great but not everyone that claims to be pro life is. 

Dont like an abortion don’t get one. Don’t want abortions to happen? Do something to help lower the rates. 

Spoiler

Blame seems to fall just on the women’s shoulder. Yes it takes to people to have sex so both need to be responsible for what happens. Sometimes condemns fail. Birth control can fail. Tubes tied or a vasectomy doesn’t go right. A man who just got a vasectomy doesn’t make sure his semen are clear before having unprotected sex. 

[wallysmommy]

I poked the hornet's nest today:

wallysmommy - How does this angry man support your mission of teaching young women to be keepers at hom8hReply

 

fromearthtoeternity

@wallysmommy you only see an angry man? You have missed the correlation from the image and the text then. What is your intent with your question? Strife?

 

"fromeathtoeternith" is a man named "Trevor" with a private Instagram.  I didn't ask about the text.  I asked about her stated mission.  He's not worth a response.

[Lgirlrocks]

this is from a top fan. 

[cara]

Lori's daughter Alyssa got pregnant through fertility treatment, which I take to mean IVF. This often involves developing and having to dispose off extra, unwanted embryos. What's Lori's stance on this and has she ever addressed it? 

[Frog99]

11 hours ago, wallysmommy said:

I poked the hornet's nest today:

wallysmommy - How does this angry man support your mission of teaching young women to be keepers at hom8hReply

 

fromearthtoeternity

@wallysmommy you only see an angry man? You have missed the correlation from the image and the text then. What is your intent with your question? Strife?

 

"fromeathtoeternith" is a man named "Trevor" with a private Instagram.  I didn't ask about the text.  I asked about her stated mission.  He's not worth a response.

The majority of what she posts has nothing to do with her stated mission- you know that and I know that and everyone at FJ knows that- but her fan girls don’t, for whatever reason. 

Everything she posts is either a veiled or direct criticism against feminists and feminism. She is desperate for attention. 

She is also so blinded by her own privilege that she has no idea how the real world works. It’s absolutely pitiful. 

[Frog99]

3 hours ago, cara said:

Lori's daughter Alyssa got pregnant through fertility treatment, which I take to mean IVF. This often involves developing and having to dispose off extra, unwanted embryos. What's Lori's stance on this and has she ever addressed it? 

Per her IGTV post, they went to fertility specialists but never did IVF. She says they got pregnant naturally after she did nutritional testing and protocols on herself and her husband. 

I believe I’ve seen Lori respond that she is against IVF but can’t recall with certainty. She’s against birth control of any kind. 

[Loveday]

4 hours ago, cara said:

Lori's daughter Alyssa got pregnant through fertility treatment, which I take to mean IVF. This often involves developing and having to dispose off extra, unwanted embryos. What's Lori's stance on this and has she ever addressed it? 

Funny you should ask that, as Ken answered this question in the comments of yesterday afternoon's FB post.

Reader:

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So how do you guys feel about the over one million embryos that are destroyed by IVF?

 

Ken:

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We don't like it and believe every embryo should be used if it is produced. But there is a huge difference between trying to create lives instead of trying to destroy babies.

I can't even with that answer.

Edited May 20, 2019 by Loveday
Fixed wonkiness

[delphinium65]

23 minutes ago, Frog99 said:

I believe I’ve seen Lori respond that she is against IVF but can’t recall with certainty. She’s against birth control of any kind. 

Has Lori ever spoken out against fertility clinics that do IVF?  If she's so hell-bent on saving fertilized eggs she should be opposed to their very existence, seeing that many embryos are discarded. 

EDIT: Never mind, my question has been answered! 

Edited May 20, 2019 by delphinium65
Loveday beat me to it!