Lori Alexander: 64: Continuing the Sardines into the Next Generation

[church_of_dog]

46 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

There is no reason that the family of a man with a PhD in nuclear physics should be living without running water. Something is seriously, seriously amiss here.

I am dying. There's an Encyclopedia of American Loons. He's on there, as is Pope PP.

http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2015/02/1289-gerald-aardsma.html

Just perusing the loons and I see PP (Steven Anderson) is included.  

[Loveday]

You guys, you guys...Lori has a new Bible 'study guide' coming out next month!

From the comments: 

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in a month or so, I am coming out with a study guide on biblical womanhood. My hope would be that some older women in the churches would go through it with some younger women. This needs to be happening in the churches!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwKbhVfhXF_/

 

[squiddysquid]

"quantity time" instead of quality time, srsly Lori?

Well you spent 4h a day spanking your toddler for spilling "raisans" - so they would grow up to be stable adults...?

I challenge Lor to spend 1 week on the "Blessed litte homestead", preferably in winter.

The Naugler kids were taken away by child protective services at some point btw.

[lilith]

Lori and her fellow godly older women should take up a collection to sponsor these young women doing without so they can stay home with their kids if they think it’s so vitally important. Surely it’s worth sacrificing your fancy butter so someone’s blessings from the lord can have hot baths in running water. 

[WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?]

2 hours ago, squiddysquid said:

The Naugler kids were taken away by child protective services at some point btw.

It's sad that they were later returned to the "Homestead" after their parents made a few small, temporary changes. 

[Sarah92]

One of her worshippers ahem followers stated they went without car insurance etc. In my state of Illinois I'm pretty sure that's illegal? Is it okay in California? I know my job needs a copy of car insurance. 

And there's no shame in section 8/subsidized houses but it is technically government assistance from what I know. Teresa wants to deny it but it's still a form of help because the government is offsetting the cost. But I'd be pissed if I found out a couple was taking up a housing unit and keeping their children at poverty levels just so mom doesn't have to work. I know so many parents who actually need that housing and the wait list is too long. And Teresa, you might be very proud of "sacrificing" that much and eating the sausage and crackers while your children got to eat, but they probably won't feel that way. I remember when my parents didn't always have enough to eat. I felt horribly guilty for eating when they didn't.  I remember the tense atmosphere and the stress. It's much better now luckily. 

[Petronella]

15 hours ago, ViolaSebastian said:

Ain't no way she'd be living in my house, especially if I had children. 

Or cats!

[klein_roeschen]

Successfull of the grid people don't get taken their children away because they are of the grid. These people thought about what's needed before and than prepared for it before they set up their homestad. The first things they did of the grid where digging wells and outhouses for drinking water and sanitary conditions. They figured out what was needed to build a house before they moved, prepared for that with materials and tools and than did it after they arrived. They figured out safety storage of food also. The Nauglers didn't do any of that. They moved onto the land and called it homestading. They have no clean water source on the land and their human waste situation is a puplic health hazard. That they got the children back and now even have their case closed is terrible and a pathetic display for child protection. But the only beef Lori would have with the Nauglers would be that Nicole isn't a SAHM and the breadwinner of the family. And she would only scold Nicole for working, not lazy Joe for not working.

[smittykins]

6 hours ago, lilith said:

Lori and her fellow godly older women should take up a collection to sponsor these young women doing without so they can stay home with their kids if they think it’s so vitally important. Surely it’s worth sacrificing your fancy butter so someone’s blessings from the lord can have hot baths in running water. 

They could start a charity similar to the “sponsor an impoverished child in a foreign country” organizations.

ETA:

Picture a grandfatherly spokesman beside a young girl:

”This is Caitlin.  Caitlin is eight years old and lives with her mom and dad in a modest house in the suburbs.  Caitlin’s dad has a good job and works hard, but in today’s economic climate, it just isn’t enough.  So her mom has to leave the home every day and go to work.  Caitlin comes home from school to an empty house. Her mom is often too tired to cook, so dinner is usually fast food or nuked in the microwave.  And you never know what’s she’s learning in the secular public school system, not to mention from television in the hours she’s unsupervised.

But you can help change that.

Through the Keepers at Home Fund, you can sponsor Caitlin or another child and relieve her mother of the stress of working outside the home.  She’ll have the opportunity to cook nourishing meals from scratch, direct her education, and model her role as a Biblical helpmeet(over scenes of shopping/cooking/homeschooling).  You’ll receive a photo of your sponsored child and monthly updates.

For more information, go to keepersathomedotcom, and prayerfully consider becoming a sponsor.  Give Caitlin and others like her the greatest gift:  their mom at home.”

(That didn’t come out like I hoped.  Feel free to improve it.  )

[Rowan]

6 hours ago, Sarah92 said:

One of her worshippers ahem followers stated they went without car insurance etc. In my state of Illinois I'm pretty sure that's illegal? Is it okay in California? I know my job needs a copy of car insurance. 

100% illegal in every state. Michigan is a strange exception with how things work (basically liability coverage only is a factor when you hit a parked vehicle or stationary/fixed property like a telephone pole, not when you collide with another vehicle in motion), but you need liability coverage everywhere. Of course when these families are at fault in an accident it's not like suing them to get recovery for the damages would do any good, so they would possibly have little consequence. Eventually their licenses and registration could/would be taken away though. 

[Leftitinmysnood]

We were still going to a fundie church when California started requiring auto insurance. I remember there was much wailing about government overreach among the men. My dad grumbled that if they didn't want to get insurance, they should ride donkeys like Jesus instead of driving cars.

[ViolaSebastian]

Ugh. We’re back to the vacation sex post. 

[SweetLaurel]

29 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

Ugh. We’re back to the vacation sex post. 

I guess we know what Lori is dreading  - I mean joyfully submitting to in Door County this year!  Again.  Dammit, Ken!  Every single vacation??   Gotta get you some, huh?   Just shut your eyes and think of England, Lori. It's what all the godly women do.  We just don't blog post about it.

ETA:   https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/close_one's_eyes_and_think_of_England

[Loveday]

I had to  copy and paste Liam's no car insurance post over here. It's more than just insurance at issue.

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We go without car insurance, health insurance and house insurance. We only have one vehicle, our clothes are second hand. We do not take vacations. My wife does not own make up or expensive skin care products. My kids have never been to the dentist because they want to sell services you don't need. We take great care of the health of our teeth but could care less about them being perfectly straight. We cut our own hair. We grocery shop at outlet stores such as Aldi's. I service our vehicle instead of paying someone. I do all the home repairs myself. We do not buy new furniture. We do not own tvs. I do have computers because we use them to help school our children. In the winter we use propane furnaces for heat instead of our central heat and air unit. We keep fans going in the summer to stay cool. This all helps our electric and gas bill. I am sure I could think of more but this is just off the top of my head.

It's not just a matter of straight vs crooked teeth. It's gum disease, cavities, infections, root canals, etc. I take sterling care of my teeth, have done since I was a kid in braces (ironically, paid for by my mother who went back to work so I could have straight teeth!). Floss daily, sometimes more than once, brush frequently, use a water pik regularly, go to the dentist 4 times a year (recommended for some diabetics, but before that I went twice a year, religiously). And yet, I still have a lot of problems. What chance do this guy's kids have if they never, ever go to a dentist? That's sheer neglect, in my book.

Oh-- "My wife does not own make up or expensive skin care products."  That one made me laugh, considering Lori's posts about her pricey face creams and makeup. Ken would have to pry them out of her cold dead hands before she'd give all that up.

Of course, Lori 'liked' his comment. ?

As for the 'men being pigs for wanting sex in a crowded hotel room or tent on vacation' post, some of the ones in the post do seem like they might be.  

[Frog99]

8 hours ago, Sarah92 said:

One of her worshippers ahem followers stated they went without car insurance etc. In my state of Illinois I'm pretty sure that's illegal? Is it okay in California? I know my job needs a copy of car insurance. 

And there's no shame in section 8/subsidized houses but it is technically government assistance from what I know. Teresa wants to deny it but it's still a form of help because the government is offsetting the cost. But I'd be pissed if I found out a couple was taking up a housing unit and keeping their children at poverty levels just so mom doesn't have to work. I know so many parents who actually need that housing and the wait list is too long. And Teresa, you might be very proud of "sacrificing" that much and eating the sausage and crackers while your children got to eat, but they probably won't feel that way. I remember when my parents didn't always have enough to eat. I felt horribly guilty for eating when they didn't.  I remember the tense atmosphere and the stress. It's much better now luckily. 

I was rear ended a year ago by someone who walked off, leaving the car (temp tags from another vehicle were on the car he was driving). There was no insurance (didn’t even catch the person driving). It was a nightmare to deal with. We ended up getting money back from the uninsured motorist fund our state has so we broke even, but it took a lot of back and forth to finalize everything. 

And I agree on the housing issue. The government is most definitely subsidizing the rental costs- we have complexes in our area that operate the same way. They are typically neighborhoods that are high crime, high police activity and are usually not well maintained. We have a newer complex and the minimum amount of rent there is $900 now- that’s the lowest. It’s about half of the going rate for rentals here, but that’s still a lot of money for a family making minimum wage. The wait list for income based rentals is probably a year long, and section 8 is closed- the wait list is so long, they won’t even add names to it. It’s a very real problem in our medium cost of living area- and it’s only getting worse. Our shelters are at capacity year round. 

Also- per Lori’s comment today, she’s fighting against the feminist mindset. I guess she prefers the notoriety that comes from that as opposed to teaching “biblical womanhood”- speaking of which- I found a reference to the origin of biblical womanhood but haven’t had time to dig further. 

[ViolaSebastian]

44 minutes ago, SweetLaurel said:

I guess we know what Lori is dreading  - I mean joyfully submitting to in Door County this year!  Again.  Dammit, Ken!  Every single vacation??   Gotta get you some, huh?   Just shut your eyes and think of England, Lori. It's what all the godly women do.  We just don't blog post about it.

ETA:   https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/close_one's_eyes_and_think_of_England

It isn't the vacation sex, per se, that's bothersome in this post. Clearly, it's only acceptable when everyone is giving enthusiastic consent. I believe the issue came when she endorsed banging even if your kids are sleeping in the same hotel room or tent.

[Frog99]

21 minutes ago, Loveday said:

I had to  copy and paste Liam's no car insurance post over here. It's more than just insurance at issue.

It's not just a matter of straight vs crooked teeth. It's gum disease, cavities, infections, root canals, etc. I take sterling care of my teeth, have done since I was a kid in braces (ironically, paid for by my mother who went back to work so I could have straight teeth!). Floss daily, sometimes more than once, brush frequently, use a water pik regularly, go to the dentist 4 times a year (recommended for some diabetics, but before that I went twice a year, religiously). And yet, I still have a lot of problems. What chance do this guy's kids have if they never, ever go to a dentist? That's sheer neglect, in my book.

Oh-- "My wife does not own make up or expensive skin care products."  That one made me laugh, considering Lori's posts about her pricey face creams and makeup. Ken would have to pry them out of her cold dead hands before she'd give all that up.

Of course, Lori 'liked' his comment. ?

As for the 'men being pigs for wanting sex in a crowded hotel room or tent on vacation' post, some of the ones in the post do seem like they might be.  

Liam was the one who said he controlled the money and gave his wife an allowance. I swear after that he was on TGWS and noted he was essentially trolling, but I can’t find it. He does occasionally like comments that push back against Lori. I hope he’s a troll. 

Hannah Habig is back under a new name- still has Habig in the last name. 

[Lgirlrocks]

feminism has nothing to do with not wanting to have sex on vacation. If kids are present and everyone is staying in one room it’s probably not a good idea. Unless the kids are sent away. Kids don’t want to watch their parents have sex. It could lead to porn addictions later (joking).

 

Spoiler

A spouse not having sex is no excuse for cheating. I’m currently is a situation where the bf isn’t wanting sex. It’s been almost 4 months. You know what I haven’t done? Cheated. Made him feel bad. Shame him. Quote the Bible and use it against him. Force him. Leave him. What have I done? Talked to him. Let him know I love him. Let him know I won’t cheat and don’t want to. Let him know how attracted to him I am. Let him know I’m here no matter what. He’s been under a lot of stress these past few months. I know I’m a women but I have the sex drive of a man. 

When your relationship is a sex for money transaction going without sex is hard. We have other things though. We talk. He makes me laugh. We are pup parents together. We watch shows and movies. Try new restaurants and food. Above all we are friends. 

Cheating is more than not enough sex. It’s a mindset. It usually doesn’t happen out of nowhere especially if you are married. 

[ViolaSebastian]

I think she's really misrepresenting what people were objecting to in the original post. Assuming everyone is up for it, there's no issue with vacation sex. What people were uncomfortable with was having sex in the same room or the same tent as their children. 

This is a pretty tough subject for me, because for various reasons growing up, my mother slept in one of two twin beds in my room. My father had an alcohol problem, and would proposition my mother when he thought I was asleep. I was not asleep. Those memories are exceedingly difficult for me to deal with, even as an adult who has explored them in therapy. 

Don't have sex with your kids in the room. I can't believe it's even a discussion people need to have. Damn.

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Several comments in the article would have you put on a sex offenders list in the countries I live in. Sex in a public bathroom at a campsite or outdoors is a sure fire way to lose your children here and maybe even end up in jail, having sex in a tent with the children there too. Hence my standpoint of it must be legal and in a separate room. My husband would agree as he has no wish to be a sex offender or lose his future kids.

ETA: And she zapped it. For speaking the truth. Yeesh.

[Sarah92]

Joesph- uh most feminist are highly aware of male rape and do more than any other group to call attention to it. The event I'm helping with on my old campus calls attention to it equally. You don't need to bring women down to address a topic you're passionate about. That being said, most men often only bring up male rape when it suits them in an attempt to bring down women. 

I mean exposing your child to porn is illegal so I'm assuming having sex in the same room. Definitely enough to have an investigation against you depending on the DCFS. IMO, if you are able to get aroused enough to have sex in front of your sleeping children and not control yourself until another time, there are deeper issues. 

A husband isn't a pig for wanting vacation sex. He can become a pig when common sense flies out th window. He is also a pig if he threatens to go elsewhere. That whole he might cheat mindset is just toxic. He took marriage vows too, he made a promise of loyalty to his wife. And as someone pointed out "if they don't want to have sex, maybe you should find the reason". 

[ViolaSebastian]

Part of my issue is that kids pretend to sleep. They just do. I was an insomniac even as a child, but I knew I'd get in trouble if I got up, so I'd shut my eyes and pretend to sleep. I overheard SO MUCH stuff because my parents and others assumed I was out. And in a new space, like a hotel room or a tent? Yeah, I was DEFINITELY awake then. 

[wallysmommy]

On no insurance -- my aunt and uncle tried the no health insurance plan in the 1990s, even though they could afford it.  Their son was in a horrible car accident.  It ended up costing them over $100,000 out of pocket for his care.  Bad gamble that didn't pay off.  Same with car insurance.  

I think Lori is incapable of writing a blog that would simply say, "Today is a beautiful day full of God's glory.  I hope that you have a thankful heart, and are serving the Lord with gladness.  Make sure you take a few minutes to reflect on the good things.  Whatever challenges you are facing, I am praying for you and your family."  (Psalms 100:2).  But that wouldn't be controversial and wouldn't go viral.  However, it is teaching younger women what it means to be godly.  

[ViolaSebastian]

5 minutes ago, wallysmommy said:

On no insurance -- my aunt and uncle tried the no health insurance plan in the 1990s, even though they could afford it.  Their son was in a horrible car accident.  It ended up costing them over $100,000 out of pocket for his care.  Bad gamble that didn't pay off.  Same with car insurance.  

I think Lori is incapable of writing a blog that would simply say, "Today is a beautiful day full of God's glory.  I hope that you have a thankful heart, and are serving the Lord with gladness.  Make sure you take a few minutes to reflect on the good things.  Whatever challenges you are facing, I am praying for you and your family."  (Psalms 100:2).  But that wouldn't be controversial and wouldn't go viral.  However, it is teaching younger women what it means to be godly.  

She needs to learn the Zsuzsanna Anderson method of luring them in with posts about cute kids and family activities and tips and then BAM! right over the head with the nastiest post you can imagine. Loathsome, but effective.

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

Liam Blake said this in response to Lori's give up running water doodle: 

"We go without car insurance, health insurance and house insurance ....... My kids have never been to the dentist because they want to sell services you don't need.    In the winter we use propane furnaces for heat instead of our central heat.... " (read his whole post for all the nuttiness)

Liam Blake is an idiot and also, INMHO, a bad parent because everyone needs dental care. He's also most likely a liar or a troll b/c of where he lives (warm climate) and what he does for a living. Check his personal FB -- he has a job that most likely pays rather well.

When the leghumpers ty to out frugal each other and brag about how they live on stale bread, air, and rain water I want to scream. There is nothing fun, noble or godly about being busted ass broke dirt poor.

Edited to add -- I should probably read other posts before I write a post    But damn Liam Blake chapped my lips.  I didn't remember any of his previous posts.  I do hope he is a troll. 

[ViolaSebastian]

15 minutes ago, Red Hair, Black Dress said:

Liam Blake said this in response to Lori's give up running water doodle: 

"We go without car insurance, health insurance and house insurance ....... My kids have never been to the dentist because they want to sell services you don't need.    In the winter we use propane furnaces for heat instead of our central heat.... " (read his whole post for all the nuttiness)

Liam Blake is an idiot and also, INMHO, a bad parent because everyone needs dental care. He's also most likely a liar or a troll b/c of where he lives (warm climate) and what he does for a living. Check his personal FB -- he has a job that most likely pays rather well.

When the leghumpers ty to out frugal each other and brag about how they live on stale bread, air, and rain water I want to scream. There is nothing fun, noble or godly about being busted ass broke dirt poor.

Ignoring dental care makes poor financial sense, too. Dental health is super important and often taken for granted, but it's also extremely expensive to ignore potential issues and hope they go away. My ex-husband, who was brought up fundie, had never gone to the dentist when we got married. He had this brown film that would build up in his mouth and his breath was atrocious. It finally got to the point where I had to tell him that I didn't like kissing him because of it. When he went to the dentist, he ended up needing an expensive deep cleaning procedure that pushed his gums back and cleaned underneath them, or else who would loose all his teeth within five years. I had to put up the fight of my life to get him to spend the money on it--and his teeth were going to fall out, for crying out loud! In any case, it would have all been prevented if he'd been taken for regular cleanings as kid. It ended up costing many, many times more in the end, and it was extremely painful. And it all could have been avoided.