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Josh, Anna, the M' kids Part 19: Josh's Thwarted Ambitions


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I apologize I was speculating.  It's a sensitive subject and I feel strongly about protecting children.  I'm going to back off this now. No good can come of it.  F'n Duggar threads. 

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I really do not want to get involved in this, but I was raised Catholic (though I no longer identify as Catholic) and had Priests in my family*. I understand how horrible a reputation the Catholic Church has - and rightfully so - but I do find it somewhat offensive to have people I knew and loved lumped in with child molesters and pedophiles when they themselves were never accused of any wrongdoing, simply because of their profession. There are many dangerous predators among Catholic Clergy, but not all of them are. Some Priests joined because they genuinely felt called to the Priesthood and felt it was a good way to make a positive impact on others. I’d like to gently remind people to please not paint entire groups of people with the same brush. 

*My family members have all passed on at this point. I have no idea whether they personally knew of any specific cases of abuse or if they committed any abuses themselves and, at this point, I probably won’t know. It would grieve me deeply to find out they did know and failed to act or they harmed children, but they would absolutely deserve criticism and blame at that point. 

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@Beermeet Ok, you really want to go there?  Please tell me where I have defended Josh?  Because I as I recall I agreed that he was a molester and a cheater.

If pointing out that legally and medically he cannot be classified as a true Pedophile and staying we should be careful about speculating about Adult Josh counts as “defending” to you that’s your issue. BTW And Priests are not Borg. I doubt a parish priest in BFE was much in the know who is playing with altar boys in Milan or Chicago  

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I'm not joking when I say it saddens me that with all that came out about abuse ( nuns now,too) within the Catholic church.  My family hosted Jesuits, welcomed priests into our home. We are CATHOLIC!  I just yesterday was looking at my communion pics. Father *X* was ever present in my life and there can't be anyway he did such.  Right? Or knew. Right?  Idk. I. Don't.  Know.  And, I never will. But, they are kind of a borg, as you put it.  Transferred.  Gossip.  It hits deep. That is the consequence of such broad, accepted abuse.  Don't get mad at me, it's them. 

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I get mad at people who think the sins of some taint a whole group. I am not mad at people who I have no reason or proof to suspect of any wrong or knowing any particulars about wrong doing. I refuse to spend my life being suspicious of everyone and their motives, past or thoughts. 

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11 minutes ago, tabitha2 said:

I get mad at people who think the sins of some taint a whole group. I am not mad at people who I have no reason or proof to suspect of any wrong or knowing any particulars about wrong doing. I refuse to spend my life being suspicious of everyone and their motives, past or thoughts. 

Systematic cover ups hurt a whole organization. I was way too young to truly remember what happened when the scandal broke here in Newfoundland about the Mount Cashel orphanage. However, they had to tear the historic building down, because there were grown men going into the building to hang themselves. Years of abuse by the Christian brothers fucked these men up beyond belief and honestly, even as an adult, some of those stories would make you throw up. The same thing with residential schools. The Catholic Church has a lot to apologize for and until all the sins come out, people are going to be angry and all people can think about is the fact that they covered up these pedophiles, these child molesters, these abusive pricks. 

I say this as someone who is culturally Catholic, the church has to be tore down and rebuilt. There are many, many good people within the church, but the taint of abuse perforates everything; people are going to be afraid to leave their children in church with priests and that is a fact. 

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What kills me is the fact that one of the dioceses named in the abuse scandal was where my mom and uncle went to school. Time appropriate.  My uncle had a rough life. His autopsy revealed a certain prescribed drug. My mom and I looked it up.  It's used to treat body dysmorphia. We looked more. Usually stemming from sexual abuse.  That's what we found. It kind of clicked. We will never know. I hate to put that on the two priests who were awesome people in my life. Those two priests would not have had contact with my uncle. But.....did they know?  It's not something to ignore. It definitely makes me wonder. IF, the Catholic church did not cover up, we wouldn't be having this conversation.  Now, nuns. Oh, I met all kinds. Stereotypical strict to the most loving. We're they abused.  It's shook me to my core.  And, I'm speaking my truth. Like it or not.  Tied in with the Duggars,  I'm definitely feeling some kind of way and it's not apologetic.  I'm tired of sugar coating.  If you gain knowledge, use it. Does not mean you have to treat everyone as suspicious.  I tend to be over cautious and so far, it's been a good thing.  Trust is earned and easily lost. Hiding behind Jesus doesn't work on me. ( not saying you FJ'ers, I mean Josh and the Catholic church).  

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Y’all are welcome to y’alls opinion. Your truth is not my truth. I still refuse to suspect and distrust people without proof. Again, there are thousands of Catholic clerics in almost every corner of the world going about their business and unless abuse is uncovered in their diocese or they get told by the victims themselves the small town Parish priest or lay monk or novice nun is not going to know classified church dirty laundry. Its the Bishops and Cardinals (who are more politicians than Shepherds most of the time) who will have a file on the corrupt priests and have the power to act or not. 

Anyway This argument is pointless. I am out of it. 

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Sure wish that fundies (Michelle and Paul Caldwell especially) spent as much time agonizing over the appropriate use of “child molester” as we do. Especially when they feel like sending out robocalls.

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I don't know if anyone's paying attention to Anna's twitter, but she's resurrected it into an anti-choice rampage lately. One tweet says there's no condition that would ever lead to a medically necessary abortion.

I have to remind myself to look at these people's twitter every now and then to remind myself how extreme they are and counteract the cute kid pics. 

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Firstly, Anna and Asshat Joshbobber make beautiful babies.

 

Now onto the second half....

 

The sexual suppression found both in fundamentalist religions as well as that among priests in the Catholic church should be looked at as a common denominator. Especially when you are looking at old school priests vs modern priests, the old school almost being groomed for priesthood since first communion, and draw conclusions on the sexual deviantism that is occurring on both counts.  Also look into the fact that in fundamentalism in general, its a great place for a predator to hide out.  Yeah, Josh is icky.  He's given me the icky vibe since i watched the first special with my mom (him and I are the same age), but part of me wonders where he was picking up the behavior.  Without speculating, know its common that abusers were once the abused.  No I am not saying Jimbob, as much as I loathe him, is touching young ones, I in fact doubt it, but we know what hides in the corners of ATI, and it makes me wonder if they cover up as much as the Catholic Church did (or does).

 

I want to state that I am in no way justifying his actions, but I would love to see a dianosis and some treatment on him and frankly, all of them.

 

Also, quick add on because I want it known, I was iffy on posting thing. I live in a strongly Catholic town, I know a lot of independent baptists, and my intention is not to call out any one faith. It's just something I was thinking on in the bath tub.

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add on.... yeah
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1 hour ago, lumpentheologie said:

I don't know if anyone's paying attention to Anna's twitter, but she's resurrected it into an anti-choice rampage lately. One tweet says there's no condition that would ever lead to a medically necessary abortion.

I have to remind myself to look at these people's twitter every now and then to remind myself how extreme they are and counteract the cute kid pics. 

Well I sincerely hope she never has an ectopic pregnancy, for one.

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4 minutes ago, singsingsing said:

Well I sincerely hope she never has an ectopic pregnancy, for one.

Could be an important learning experience for her, since she doesn’t seem inclined to educate herself on medically necessary abortions.

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2 minutes ago, apandaaries said:

Could be an important learning experience for her, since she doesn’t seem inclined to educate herself on medically necessary abortions.

Hopefully it would be a learning experience and not an experience in martyrdom.

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1 hour ago, lumpentheologie said:

I don't know if anyone's paying attention to Anna's twitter, but she's resurrected it into an anti-choice rampage lately. One tweet says there's no condition that would ever lead to a medically necessary abortion.

I have to remind myself to look at these people's twitter every now and then to remind myself how extreme they are and counteract the cute kid pics. 

She’s such a nasty and ignorant human being when it comes to abortion. I almost feel like she deserves to be stuck with Josh at this point. 

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1 hour ago, lumpentheologie said:

One tweet says there's no condition that would ever lead to a medically necessary abortion.

 

Hot damn.  I can't wait to see what kind of response she gets to that.  :popcorn2:

This isn't a perfect analogy, but then how come Michelle got an emergency c-section while pregnant with premature Josie? It was to save Michelle's life in the moment, but it was so early that Josie's odds were not great.  I mean, really---they did that c-section because of Michelle's pre-eclampsia. She very likely would have died without it. No, it wasn't an "abortion", per se, but had she been a few weeks earlier in her pregnancy, with zero chance given for the baby's survival, what would she have done then?

SMH these people.

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In their world she would have died a martyr to the quiverful movement.

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1 hour ago, lumpentheologie said:

I don't know if anyone's paying attention to Anna's twitter, but she's resurrected it into an anti-choice rampage lately. One tweet says there's no condition that would ever lead to a medically necessary abortion.

I have to remind myself to look at these people's twitter every now and then to remind myself how extreme they are and counteract the cute kid pics. 

I have many friends on Facebook who lean towards the fundie lifestyle.  Abortion is a big topic right now. It stems from recent laws passed, but also because an election is coming up. It’s not at all shocking that Anna is talking about abortion. 

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2 hours ago, singsingsing said:

Well I sincerely hope she never has an ectopic pregnancy, for one.

Or pre eclampsia like her mother in law. What would have happened if Michelle had gone into distress just a few weeks earlier before Josie was viable?

Oops ? I see @Satan'sFortress already posted about this. I really want to ask Anna about that on Twitter but it would either get ignored or gaslighted like Derick

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I find their stance on abortion a bit confusing.  They typically don't like big brother government.  Anti-vaxxers too. But, when it comes to abortion, they are all in on big government having total control of a woman's reproductive rights, gay marriage and sharing bathrooms.  As long as it's their agenda, it is ok.  No one is stopping them from their lifestyle, why do they feel the need to stick their noses where they don't belong?

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2 hours ago, Satan'sFortress said:

H:popcorn2:

This isn't a perfect analogy, but then how come Michelle got an emergency c-section while pregnant with premature Josie? It was to save Michelle's life in the moment, but it was so early that Josie's odds were not great.  I mean, really---they did that c-section because of Michelle's pre-eclampsia. She very likely would have died without it. No, it wasn't an "abortion", per se, but had she been a few weeks earlier in her pregnancy, with zero chance given for the baby's survival, what would she have done then?

 

Then Josie would've had a death experience similar to Jubilee. They would've showed that she is, indeed, a baby, fully formed. That's the argument given for life-threatening pregnancy.

  Though, for a woman who cannot sustain a pregnancy without it being life-threatening, I think I'd have just said take the baby out and try to save it and if it dies in the process you did your best. And I'd ask for a hysterectomy while they're at it, in order to not let this happen again.

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3 hours ago, SadieJane said:

He's given me the icky vibe since i watched the first special with my mom (him and I are the same age), but part of me wonders where he was picking up the behavior. 

Wasn't there a rumor that he had access to porn while working for the Holt guy? I've read about cases where (usually) boys abuse their siblings or classmates because they're 'acting out' what they've seen in porn.

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I heard the rumor, whether its true or not I have no clue. Had his parents not been so insane, he could have been like any 15/16 year old and wank one out, instead, he acted out . He's still icky though.  He could have a completely clean, picture perfect marriage and i'd still think he was icky. Just something about him.

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Anna is quickly becoming an absolutely horrible human being in my eyes. She may have always been that way, but I felt bad for her when I saw what Josh had done. Now, nope. Shut the fuck up Anna. 

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