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5 hours ago, lizzybee said:

Priscilla: I thought this was the most articulate I've ever seen Priscilla. She always has come off to me like a pod person but this was like an actual human being talking and she's very knowledgeable about her cult and it's beliefs. The more and more I think about it the more uncomfortable that makes me. She's drank so much kool-aid she's started to dissolve in it but there's actually a thinking person in there that is so sold out that there's nothing there but the cult. Really jarring, tbh. 

I just remembered an old episode of 19KAC (no idea what season or anything) where Priscilla was visiting and she was so goofy and animated with the little girls. Like tickling and chasing them to bed, encouraging them to give each other REAL hugs, etc. Seems like quite a contrast from how she comes across now, and also at the time it really stood out to see the kids being so happy and silly and...well, kid-like. 

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3 hours ago, backyard sylph said:

I'd like for Michelle to explain to me when exactly God designated bifurcated clothing for men only, and the reverse for women only, and why only in certain parts of the world. Please.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_clothing

I read some articles regarding Deuteronomy and Timothy and male and female clothing. Theories tossed about included the need to be obviously male and female, like Michelle's odd concern about herself, and the need to not appear open for business in the rear. Sorry, but really, that came up. I.D.K. 

When I look at beautiful Hindi and Pakistani wedding wear for men, I'm entranced by it. But I think she would not find it masculine the way I do. So that's context. 

And of course, girls were not allowed to wear jeans to school til I was 9 where I lived, in 1974. Girls had to look like girls and jeans were tomboyish. 

But Jesus goes on quite a bit about following the intent of the law and not the letter of it. When I was in church, we were taught to avoid "legalism." I guess she never was, or took it upon herself to decide, which is not very...modest or submissive of her.

Look for the Steve Anderson sermon on why women shouldn’t were pants. It opens up whole new side of crazy. 

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3 hours ago, Don'tlikekoolaid said:

David Waller is a smarmy puke face.  I disliked him the minute he first showed his two faces.  That’s all I got for now.

That little turd freaks me out. He seems mean. Pris most definitely gets put down by him.  He won't do it in public but, he will.  Poor thing. I have a soft spot for her.  I hope Davis is not as terrible to her as he seems to me.

JB jumping up to make sure he mentions that Michelle mowed the lawn in her bikini is so weird. I don't know if it's a shaming thing or a brag of some sort. He was so compelled to to say it. Like we all don't know.  Her bathroom hang up again.  I just want to smack her when mentioning God's will for dressing and the bathroom signs prove it!  Like, duh people!  These are dumb people.  

These people are nuckin' futz.  They go on and on about nothing.  Poor Pris trying to keep up. What was with them tuning out Michelle's rant to look at his phone for like 10 mins. Pretty rude, imo. It was a very interesting reminder of what they are all about.  I don't watch the show or play on the Duggar threads much so, yes, good reminder.  I'm going to seek out more of this side. Their hubris is astounding.  They have it all figured out, huh?  Pffft. ?

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7 hours ago, luv2laugh said:

If I was Jill or Jinger, I would be hurt by Michelle’s asinine comments on wearing pants. 

I believe Derrick wrote the blog post in response to this video of the conference that JB & Michelle spoke at with David and Pris.

Also, it was messed up for David to talk about their anonymous "very close friend" who "started changing how she dressed, listened to secular music, wanted a husband..." and ended up "pregnant out of wedlock" (gasp), "has a little daughter now", is "is now with another man... she's still playing the dating game”, and whose life, "Will her life ever be perfect? No. But we think God is using this to bring her close to Him".

  • That is not very Christian to gossip about someone on a public platform (especially when it’s obvious as to who it is). David Waller is a pompous jerk...

And they wonder why some choose abortion.  They don't support women who choose to have their out of wedlock baby, do they? They gossip and look down on her. Assholes. So what? She got pregnant.  She and her bf conceived and kept the child. Is that not God's will? Every child is a blessing, right? God opens the womb, right?! So, because she's not married this is a devil baby or what?  

David is so smug about his marriage.  Gross. Like, is it terrible if the girl you wish to marry has no parents or unbeliever parents? Women are just things in their world, things that wear skirts and come from a perfect godly family.  Riiiiight.  

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2 hours ago, Galbin said:

"Michelle had no standards when I met her. " Wow. What a thing to say about your spouse.

Of course she had no standards, if she did she wouldn’t have married Jim Bob.

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14 minutes ago, Don'tlikekoolaid said:

Of course she had no standards, if she did she wouldn’t have married Jim Bob.

Oh man I would pay money to watch that. 

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I can't believe they're still bringing up the fact that Michelle used to mow the lawn in a bikini. WHO CARES? Lady, you've given birth on TV numerous times and I don't even want to count the number of times you've discussed your sex life with the viewing public. Spare me.

 

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I watched the video too.

Jim Bob and Michelle:

- One of those storage rooms must be filled with the girls’ book.

- Way to dishonor your father, Jim Bob. That’s a commandment, dude.

- “You can’t alter them at the altar.” Corny, but true.

- They aren’t embarrassed at all about having talked alone for four hours on their first date. Apparently chaperones are for other people.

David and Priscilla:

- They sound better than I expected. They’re both coherent and they know their message without being over rehearsed.

- Don’t talk about your sister like that.

- Pris talks about being unhappy and insecure as a teenager, and trying awkwardly to hand out tracts to people who look like they need them. (I would so love for someone to tell JRod she needs a tract.)

- “Being the right life partner is more important than finding the right life partner” is decent advice.

- Now for the gender stereotypes. Ugh. They’re talking about being prepared for marriage, and yeah, if you want to sign up for their fertility cult, you’d better be ready to fulfill your rigid gender role.

- Thanking God for being made normal (sexual-orientation wise). Grrr. 

Q&A:

- Michelle said the skirts-only thing started when a Bible verse convicted her while she was a new mom. She said different people are touched by different parts of the Bible because that’s how God works. Does that mean most of the Bible is optional?

- “It would be great to try to hit the question directly.” Ha ha. The moderator called the Duggars out on avoiding the pants question.

- Ooh, Mike Keller did it with someone else before he got married! He was probably cuter then.

- Ugh, Jim Bob’s talking about gay conversion.

- Interracial marriage isn’t okay if your parents aren’t cool with it? Seriously? 

- Parents have to approve relationships in general. JB suggests talking to your pastor too. 

- Michelle tells her daughters not to talk to their siblings about who they find attractive. JB advocates for the not-so-hot guys. Michelle recommends a “spiritual gift kit.” She says couples’ spiritual gifts often balance each other (whatever that means). 

- David: Defrauding creates soul ties and then you’re all tied up when you get married. Whatever. David brags that Pris didn’t realize he was attracted to her (I’m raising an eyebrow).

- JB says there are no failed courtships (not marrying is okay too). Michelle goes over the courtship process. Jim Bob goes over his checklist- Christian, no booze, no anger. His daddy issues are written all over that. David has to add no debt or birth control. Jim Bob says your pastor can fill in if you don’t have a dad; the implication is “not your mom.”

- Pris is going on about how submitting to your father is good practice for submitting to your husband. ? Also, Satan hates families.

- Different denominations for spouses: Jim Bob thinks it causes problems. A friend of his went to a charismatic church under a spouse’s influence, and there was uncontrollable emotion instead of Bible reading. David says it’s okay if it’s trivial; study your doctrinal differences.

- Is it okay to get married if you’re broke and horny? Jim Bob says don’t go into debt, and they were broke early on. Michelle says that being a stay-at-home mom was a priority. God provides. Pris says love can wait. Michelle says don’t be alone together. David says you really need to get your finances together first - a new marriage is stressful even without financial problems.

- Pris prays for God to give her a (meaningful) verse before she reads the Bible. She’s been reading it on her phone. 

- There’s a serious question about resisting Satan. I can’t even.

- Someone asked David how he knew Priscilla was the one. He recounts his vow to be single until age 25. He was emailing his parents about his temptations (WTF?) and they realized that he was into her and encouraged him to go for it. 

- Starting spiritual conversations with friends? Michelle always asks visitors how they came to the Lord and how they met their spouses. They share testimony. Pris says you can tell a lot from prayer and Bible study with them (failing to grasp that the question likely refers to worldly friends).

- What if your spouse isn’t Christian? Jim Bob thinks you might miss out on the right one. Once you’re married, that’s the new right one. Michelle agreed. So I can pretty much marry anyone and I’ll be following his will? Good to know. One person dedicating themselves to God can improve a marriage.

- Spiritual role models: Grandma Mary. Pris says her parents. David says biographies of heroes of the faith. 

Finally, we’re done! Time for a potfaith supper.

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3 hours ago, pippi said:

I just remembered an old episode of 19KAC (no idea what season or anything) where Priscilla was visiting and she was so goofy and animated with the little girls. Like tickling and chasing them to bed, encouraging them to give each other REAL hugs, etc. Seems like quite a contrast from how she comes across now, and also at the time it really stood out to see the kids being so happy and silly and...well, kid-like. 

For as much as we say about Priscilla, with the exception of being in a patriarchal cult, she is SO good with her children. Yes, her values and beliefs are hateful and don't match my own, but she's excellent at talking her children in a clear way that they can comprehend. From what I've seen, she's gentle, loving, and patient. It seems as though her expectations of them are age-appropriate and she seems to honestly enjoy being a mother. I think this is probably one of the best examples--she is straight up beaming at her daughters:

I say all this knowing that these kiddos are most likely receiving corporal punishment, which I do not advocate or support. But as far as fundie mothers go, I think Priscilla is one of the better ones.

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5 hours ago, luv2laugh said:

JB answered the question regarding interracial marriage awkwardly

I can't watch the video right now-- what exactly did he say? Because honestly any answer other than "I'm completely cool with it, why would you even have to ask" is... unsettling. I wish people would ask them about race more often; I'm sure there are some fuuuucked up beliefs just below the surface there. 

On another note, what in the hell is Derrick getting at when he concludes his list of "adventures" with this??

"and numerous unmentionables, which can only be heard over a cold frosty (so says one of my professors)"

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1 hour ago, singsingsing said:

I can't believe they're still bringing up the fact that Michelle used to mow the lawn in a bikini. WHO CARES? Lady, you've given birth on TV numerous times and I don't even want to count the number of times you've discussed your sex life with the viewing public. Spare me.

This may be like fundie porn for the paying leghumpers.

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1 hour ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:
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Once you’re married, that’s the new right one. Michelle agreed. So I can pretty much marry anyone and I’ll be following his will? Good to know. One person dedicating themselves to God can improve a marriage.

 

Ok, so while I was dating My now husband I seriously was afraid that God would test my devotion to Him by making me breakup with my boyfriend. I figured God was jealous of how much time I was spending with my boyfriend, and angry that we were "struggling to remain pure." All I could think of were the verses that said if you eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. I seriously thought about not praying to God about the relationship and just getting hitched, because then it would be unbiblical for us to divorce and then God couldn't take my husband away from me.

Needless to say I am now in therapy and on medications for what was obviously undiagnosed anxiety. Lol....yeah my beliefs were seriously messed up. 

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18 hours ago, StraightOuttaArkansas said:

I also have to wonder about the blog post throwing a bit of shade at Jana (for being single) and JinJer (not having a baby immediately after getting married). I mean if I were Jill I would be really mad about this post, if not for myself (and what he is telling the world about their private life), but on behalf of those sisters. I guess the JinJer one is a bit of stretch, but as far as we know Jana is holding out for the one and he is basically saying she is wrong and going to die alone, which we all know Jill would believe is a horrible thing.

Also the language and writing of the post uses a lot of...I don't know a nice way to say this..."fancy words" perhaps. I wonder if he does that on purpose to demonstrate how much more educated he is than Jill who write more (?) of the blog posts. I mean I use a lot of bigger or more colorful words just because I can (and made a sibling refuse to speak to me because I, and I quote from said sibling, "talk too smart" *roll eyes*), but that post did not feel casual or like he was speaking to his peers. It came off trying too hard (aside from the awful message). AH pretentious was the word I was looking for.

Derick reminds me of a friend of mine during her first semester of law school. Now, mind you, my friend is woke as fuck (spent a good portion of her three years of law school volunteering as a legal advocate for poor students of color who were getting unjustly suspended from school and as a "know your rights" volunteer at protests), smart as fuck, and got an awesome job straight out because she's just the fucking best, but in her first semester, she was very..."LOOK AT ME I AM IN LAW SCHOOL AND AM VERY SMART". Which was annoying and our friend group called her out on it, and she knocked it off very quickly. She was just genuinely super pumped about going to law school, but expressed it in a kind of obnoxious way. Derick has never knocked it off, and he is not nearly as smart and genuinely passionate about law as my friend is. 

And I agree that his language doesn't sound like an intelligent person just conveying their thoughts; he sounds like he's TRYING  to sound like an intelligent person. Very /r/iamverysmart. 

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Jim Bob mentioned that he tried to talk Michelle out of the not wearing pants anymore when she first brought it up, also it seems like Michelle is the one that is more upset about the pants wearing and Jim Bob doesn’t really seem to care either way as long as they are “modest”. I for one think that pants in a lot of cases are more modest than skirts or dresses. 


Pants are far more modest, theres very little chance of flashing underwear in pants! Cant tuck your knickers into your skirt.. especially for little girls! My 7 yr old cartwheels everywhere, skirts and dresses are pointless!
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8 hours ago, mpheels said:

I cant go digging through old threads at the moment - does this line up with the timeline for Pickles’ medical mystery speculation? If Grandma Mary had a couple of strokes, that would explain Deanna stopping by the hospital neurology department.

Yes. Pickles was saying that it was John David that was super duper sick. Mary had a stroke while the family was out of the country (i can’t remember where they went - Central America?). I wasn’t comfortable with sharing that info at the time, but since they have put it out there i guess it’s ok to confirm it. As far as i know, Mary is doing great now.

When it comes to Jill & Derrick...i’ve seen how he treats her in front of others. He doesn’t show her much respect, he interrupts her, he’s condescending. I’ve seen her change a lot over the years, and she used to have a smile in her eyes. It’s kind of sad that it’s gone. It was still there before their stint in Central America, but it was gone when they got back. I don’t know if that’s because CA was such a culture shock or if it’s unhappiness or a mixture of both. At least all the other married ones seem happy.

As for JB & Michelle, i think that Michelle wears the pants in the family behind the scenes, but JB is firmly in control when there are others around. 

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1 hour ago, FrozenSmile said:

Yes. Pickles was saying that it was John David that was super duper sick. Mary had a stroke while the family was out of the country (i can’t remember where they went - Central America?). I wasn’t comfortable with sharing that info at the time, but since they have put it out there i guess it’s ok to confirm it. As far as i know, Mary is doing great now.

When it comes to Jill & Derrick...i’ve seen how he treats her in front of others. He doesn’t show her much respect, he interrupts her, he’s condescending. I’ve seen her change a lot over the years, and she used to have a smile in her eyes. It’s kind of sad that it’s gone. It was still there before their stint in Central America, but it was gone when they got back. I don’t know if that’s because CA was such a culture shock or if it’s unhappiness or a mixture of both. At least all the other married ones seem happy.

As for JB & Michelle, i think that Michelle wears the pants in the family behind the scenes, but JB is firmly in control when there are others around. 

If he treats her like that in public he probably treats her even worse in private. And in Central America they were alone so she pretty much only had him. That must have been where she realiesed what an ass he is.

How sad to be trapped in a marriage like that. She must really wonder what she did wrong. Being told your whole purpose in life is to produce children with the perfect husband God will provide for you if you’re godly enough would really fuck with your head. Especially if she sees all her sisters being happy with their husbands. Don’t agree with her shitty believes but I really feel for her.

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12 hours ago, Anna Bolinas said:

Idk, wasn't JB religious first? Like he was already fundie-adjacent before he'd even met Michelle? I think if anything, they're equal partners in the descent into fundiedom. JB has such an "aw shucks" attitude that it almost seems he's just along for the ride, but I think they're both at the front of the crazy train that is their lives.

IIRC, he was going to church already and did that neighborhood door knocking thing (which is awkward for the people answering, but just know it strange for the people knocking who don't actually want to be there, but got forced to go). Anyway, even if he was it could still be her that led them there. I say because my husband grew up Catholic and I Protestant, but I was having a bit of a faith crisis after the election and not comfortable with SBC or most "Protestant" (disclaimer here, I am speaking about the specific portrayal of the loud ones in the US). My husband was totally lapsed and not really interested in church per say, but still believed in God. I asked him to attend Mass with me and an evangelical service in our neighborhood, and one at my old church. Long story short, I converted and dragged him along with me (not kicking and screaming, more a if you want me to honey I'll go with you) and now we attend Mass every Sunday and even go to a group thing at our church. I think I am more religious than him and that most people see it that way, but I get the feeling he has gotten more religious too over this time. I could see this being the scenario with JB&M too.

*MAJOR DISCLAIMER: we are not strange fundie Catholics or anything, just your run of the mill who happen to enjoy going Mass. No headship stuff, no women are not as good as men (hubby is actually constantly arguing with people that women should be able to be priest, even with our priest, who apparently also shares that stance, but in a "I can't actually say that so here is a nod" way), and we are appalled at a lot of things going on in the Church at the moment, but feel that the humans/priest involved should be punished and that has little to do with our going to the building to pray/belief in God, e.g. the police should be handling that.  Sorry for the giant text here, I just feel the need to explain myself and that you all get what I mean.

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9 hours ago, ViolaSebastian said:

I say all this knowing that these kiddos are most likely receiving corporal punishment, which I do not advocate or support. But as far as fundie mothers go, I think Priscilla is one of the better ones.

I've said the same about Anna as well. She's always seemed really good and patient with her kids. And not overwhelmed either. Could be personality, could be that their own mother was much more caring and hands-on than Michelle, who knows.

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13 hours ago, CaricatureQualities said:

Our society has accepted 2 huge lies:

"1)If you love someone you must agree everything they say or do

2)If you disagree with someone you must fear or hate them"

This resonates so much with the current political climate, fundie-dom, and FJ. This is why I mostly lurk, but I had to give you props for the post ?

 

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14 hours ago, CaricatureQualities said:

"Our society has accepted 2 huge lies:

1)If you love someone you must agree everything they say or do

2)If you disagree with someone you must fear or hate them"

The first time I heard this it was from the patriarch of the Duck Dynasty clan, Phil Robertson. That seems to have swept across fundie-dom, because now Michelle is using it.

It sounds reasonable, but I'm sure there's a hook somewhere!

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10 hours ago, ViolaSebastian said:

For as much as we say about Priscilla, with the exception of being in a patriarchal cult, she is SO good with her children. Yes, her values and beliefs are hateful and don't match my own, but she's excellent at talking her children in a clear way that they can comprehend. From what I've seen, she's gentle, loving, and patient. It seems as though her expectations of them are age-appropriate and she seems to honestly enjoy being a mother. I think this is probably one of the best examples--she is straight up beaming at her daughters:

I say all this knowing that these kiddos are most likely receiving corporal punishment, which I do not advocate or support. But as far as fundie mothers go, I think Priscilla is one of the better ones.

I love how Paul asks "where is all the blood?".  That's something my kids would say.  They totally ignored/glossed over that question though.  

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1 minute ago, Four is Enough said:

The first time I heard this it was from the patriarch of the Duck Dynasty clan, Phil Robertson. That seems to have swept across fundie-dom, because now Michelle is using it.

It sounds reasonable, but I'm sure there's a hook somewhere!

I don't think there is a catch, but it is used to disguise hate. I was often told things like: True love is doing what's best for the other person. That in and of itself is truth, but it was used as a reason to repeatedly "bash people over the head" with the Bible. If you truly love someone you wouldn't let them go to hell. Basically they use those reasons as another way of showing how much better they are then people of the opposing viewpoints. "I'm telling you how wrong you are in love, so even though it feels devaluing it's really not because I love you. You are the one taking it the wrong way. Because I'm loving, the problem is you." Or "I'm not racist because I love everyone. I just don't appreciate their culture because it's not biblical like mine, but I'm not racist because I really do love them. I would preach Jesus to them too even though they don't look and talk like me." 

I hope I'm making sense. This is at least what I experienced in my legalistic, conservative upbringing. People aren't even aware of how they come across. They so believe they are being really loving. I still really struggle with it. They often say love isn't accepting. You can love someone without accepting their lifestyle. Basically, you act sugary, fake, and nice, but secretly judge them. Deep seeded hatred and judgement is just coated in a fake smile. 

I'm learning to try to just accept people as who they are. That's what I want from people. It's a hard mindset to break.

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15 hours ago, CaricatureQualities said:

Michelle comes across as crazy insecure about gender roles in society. I think the idea of sex being different than gender threatens her terribly. She keeps bringing up how "confused and upside down the world" and society are about what is a man and what is a woman. Society has it all mixed up now! She brings up public bathrooms again (oh that infamous robocall). The signs on the bathrooms have always been women in skirts, men not, it's a symbol...dress is a sign of gender and if it's reversed than everything just gets mixed up. 

Well, it was society that determined gender and the roles and dress that comes with it. You go back far enough or to a different climate and culture and dudes are in dresses too...for reasons that came from the society they are in. It changes. It always changes over time. But then it is "society" that has it wrong and is all mixed up about it now that society is re-examining what gender is and how we use it. So society was right when the gender roles were man (Pants, short hair) and women (skirt, long hair) for the longest time but society is now wrong when it deviates from that an inch and reconsiders. So which is it? Is society right when you agree with the social norms and wrong and confused the instance that you don't? 

Michelle said there was a statement she had her kids memorize when microphones where stuck in their faces (because memorization is the best bet, they can't be expected to critically think about a question and give an honest answer) and her it is (after she rambles some more about society being confused as to what a man is and what a woman is): 

"Our society has accepted 2 huge lies:

1)If you love someone you must agree everything they say or do

2)If you disagree with someone you must fear or hate them"

Oh haven't we heard that directly from Jill and Derick. This is a statement they have come up with to try to cover their hateful asses so as to get out of hot water before they boil themselves publicly. And in Michelle's case I think she betrays herself. I think ideas that differ from anything she has convicted herself  as is uncomfortable for her... I think the idea of transgender scares the shit out of her and belittles her idea of what gender is and how it is expressed that she has personalized so much to the point of it being such a huge part of her identity. She fears gender bending, she fears the shit out of it and the idea that society might be coming around to exploring new ideas....I think she hates and fears that big time.

And the thing is, lots of people in society ARE agreeing to disagree and have conversations about this (and other topics) more and more without hate or fear. Lots of people find that they can learn an opposite view and debate it and converse about it. They (the fundies) are the ones who are refusing to have the conversation! You are the ones refusing to consider that your notion of gender or history or evolution or anything could be limited and might need to be revisited. Take the time to actually understand ANY idea or opinion different from your own and then you get to agree or disagree. Sticking your thumbs in your ears, covering your eyes and singing a hymn at the top of your lungs to block out any outside input you may receive isn't disagreeing...you can not disagree with something you are totally ignorant of. I just watched Michelle blather on for hours, and I understood what she was saying and I disagreed. No way in hell any of them have sincerely listened to a legitimate explanation of what the theory of evolution is, how sex is different from gender, or any argument from the pro-choice side. None of them understand any of these things...but they still know they disagree. Then if someone from the big bad world asks them to defend their position it's not a conversation it is an attack. Instead of engaging in that conversation you have that go to memorized statement that screams of defensiveness and "eww society just doesn't understand us!"

 

 

I'm sure we've talked about this elsewhere but there's some research showing that people who are drawn to fundamentalism are much more black and white thinkers (also fear-based thinkers) than average.   It's like they lack an ability to see shades of gray.  I'm multitasking (catching up on Game of Thrones ;-)) so not going to try to look it up right now ,.. maybe someone else will... but I think I've seen where someone did MRI scans comparing the brains and there's a clear difference.  

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3 hours ago, AtlanticTug said:

I've said the same about Anna as well. She's always seemed really good and patient with her kids. And not overwhelmed either. Could be personality, could be that their own mother was much more caring and hands-on than Michelle, who knows.

I think Kellers are loving mothers, BUT loving does not necessary mean good. The eldest (who lives in Africa) seems lovely but is having kid after kid with no salary, no healthcare available, they had literally no house and lived in a tent for a while! And uses kids for grifting, makes them work etc.

Probably the better mom is Rebecca. She had 2 very closed in age. She got overwhelmed. As a consecuence, she stopped having kids. She put them in a school. She was unhappy with her partner and divorced. That's giving your children good advice: taking your own decisions to have a better life and giving your kids enough time, education and resources.

I'm not blaming Pris or Anna. Sure they do their best. We all know how Josh is, but at least he looked happy with the kids (before the scandals). David seems to be so strict and competitive that I wonder who of both is worse. Not sure.

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13 hours ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

- Interracial marriage isn’t okay if your parents aren’t cool with it? Seriously? 

O_O

In the first place, I'm grossed out by these clowns continuing to lecture people about sexuality and relationships four(?) years after Joshgate. In the second place, how come they keep slamming things that their kids (presumably with their blessing) do: not just pants but also cross-denomination marriages? This is such a weird clusterfuck of hypocrisy.

Profusely thanking the lord that I'm not fundie "normal."

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