Lori Alexander: 63: Teacher of Foolishness

[Free Jana Duggar]

So the dart landed on public schools today. My children have attended both public and Christian schools, and we've never had a problem with either. 

The public schools were good about sending home notices if they were teaching on a subject that could be touchy with parents. I only kept my children out of one.  

I also worked as a special Ed assistant in a school. My job required me to go into different classrooms and assist assigned special needs students that were capable of being in a standard classroom with some assistance. 

I did hear a teacher make a vague snarky comment about Trump once, but there was no introdtrination. The teachers taught their subject matter. 

It might surprise Lori to know that some of these public school teachers are Christians and go to Church.  My former public school principal sent out an email to "keep so-and-so in your prayers" for a surgery.

[Loveday]

Today's post has my blood boiling, as do all her posts condemning public school. Like @Free Jana Duggar, my kids attended both public and private schools (Catholic in my case, so not 'Christian,' according to Lori ?). They were not indoctrinated in anything but the subjects they took--you know, English, math, the sciences, foreign languages, etc? Furthermore, my husband teaches science. Plain old middle school life science with a bit of lab work thrown in when he feels the students are ready to handle lab equipment in a fairly mature manner.  There's no "intense indoctrination promoting an unGodly, secular, consumerist, materialist and homosexual lifestyle as being ‘the norm’" (from a comment on today's post).  He just doesn't have time for that, nor do the other teachers. They barely have time to cover their subjects, much less anything else. 

And I want to reach through my screen and throttle the person who commented this:

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You can teach in 20 minutes what most children learn all day in those government indoctrination centers

 

Bull. Shit.

[SongRed7]

On 3/3/2019 at 7:53 AM, Petronella said:

This makes me so mad! SO MAD! Calling socialising “useless”?????? So, human connections and mutual caring are worthless to Lori??

She always says she didn't have any friends until college. Because she had (and probably still has)  trouble connecting with people, she sees it as worthless. 

31 minutes ago, Free Jana Duggar said:

So the dart landed on public schools today.

Not surprised,  She only has a few more months to passive aggressively throw shade at Steven/Emily for their schooling choices. 

[wallysmommy]

I attended public school, my brother attended a Christian school.  Guess who has the better education - Me!  I went against the pastor and his wife when they decided to start an ACE school to subsidize the church and finished high school at my current public school.  They were not happy with my dad (head of the Deacon Board) for the decision to let me stay where I was to finish my last two years.  The Christian school was a joke.  The ACE program as originally designed is only for introverted, rule-following, high achievers.  The pastor's wife (administrator) had us police the color socks the kids wore with their uniform, and give them a detention if they weren't the standard socks.  Most 8 year olds don't have a choice in their socks.  They wear what mom gives them.  So stupid!

More random thoughts after reading today's post.  "Homeschooling is easy, peasy."  "Good grammar is not important."  "Just show them a DVD."  There are parents who homeschool who do it well.  Then there are the others...like these people.  Lori's perfect homeschooling curriculum would include:  Titus 2:3-5 all you need to know about the Bible, Making the perfect Einkhorn bread, How to spot a Jezebel, and a special curriculum for the fundie families, a special curriculum in MLM.

[Free Jana Duggar]

41 minutes ago, Loveday said:

Today's post has my blood boiling, as do all her posts condemning public school. Like @Free Jana Duggar, my kids attended both public and private schools (Catholic in my case, so not 'Christian,' according to Lori ?). They were not indoctrinated in anything but the subjects they took--you know, English, math, the sciences, foreign languages, etc? Furthermore, my husband teaches science. Plain old middle school life science with a bit of lab work thrown in when he feels the students are ready to handle lab equipment in a fairly mature manner.  There's no "intense indoctrination promoting an unGodly, secular, consumerist, materialist and homosexual lifestyle as being ‘the norm’" (from a comment on today's post).  He just doesn't have time for that, nor do the other teachers. They barely have time to cover their subjects, much less anything else. 

And I want to reach through my screen and throttle the person who commented this:

Bull. Shit.

Well, I wouldn't say 20 minutes, but my children are currently doing a homeschool program through Liberty University because we had to move in January due to my husband starting a new job as a chaplain. They're in high school, and transferring credits from a school with semester classes to a school with only year long classes was going to be a disaster.

Anyway, they are finished with their work for the day around 12:30 or 1:00.  It's pretty cool. They log in and watch video lessons and do the assignment and can personally call their teacher with questions. 

My daughter has already said she may want to continue and not go back to regular school in the fall. 

 

[Alisamer]

1 hour ago, Free Jana Duggar said:

So the dart landed on public schools today. My children have attended both public and Christian schools, and we've never had a problem with either. 

So did Lori's.

As always, do as she says, which is the OPPOSITE of what she did, combined with an insult aimed at her childrens' choices and families.

She's a moron. And mean.

[polecat]

I've homeschooled, and my kids are now in public school. It's true that HSing takes less time than conventional school, but that's not because it's "so easy to teach everything!" HSing parents can streamline things, minimize time sinks (like lining up, reviewing homework for 20-30 kids), etc. But they still have to actually *teach*. 

Public school offers a different -- but no less valuable -- experience. My kids are not only learning how to engage with different teachers and teaching styles (although they did do that a little bit before with co-ops and local university programs and such), but they're also getting to participate in experiences they'd have never had at home without great expense -- like getting involved in stellar theater, arts, language and agricultural programs. And no, the teachers aren't indoctrinating my kids, unless you count the weird sex ed program they offer in junior high (presented by a crisis pregnancy center, of all things). But I'd expect Lori to be very pro-that kind of indoctrination.

[AuntKrazy]

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[refugee]

5 hours ago, samurai_sarah said:

Dr Semmelweis had the revolutionary idea that washing one's hands might protect women from contracting puerperal fever - a leading cause of death for new mothers in the 19th century. It went against convention in hospitals at the time, but it made all the difference. He questioned standard procedure and a generally accepted state of affairs, and as a result we are all better off!

Was he the one who begged (seriously, pleaded--I got the impression he practically got down on his knees) the doctor attending his wife's childbirth to wash his hands, even offered up some major concession or other to do it? I have this vague memory in the back of my mind of reading something like that...

[samurai_sarah]

35 minutes ago, refugee said:

Was he the one who begged (seriously, pleaded--I got the impression he practically got down on his knees) the doctor attending his wife's childbirth to wash his hands, even offered up some major concession or other to do it? I have this vague memory in the back of my mind of reading something like that...

I'm afraid, I don't know about that particular instance.

[refugee]

7 minutes ago, samurai_sarah said:

I'm afraid, I don't know about that particular instance.

I think I was middle school age at the time, back when I was fascinated with Cherry Ames and Sue Barton (fiction) and Florence Nightingale and Clara Barton and Elizabeth Blackwell (nonfiction)--all names of nurses, except Blackwell, who was a physician. I wanted to be a nurse, and I read a lot of "history of medicine" stories and biographies. I remembered in particular a biography about a doctor who had a theory that childbed fever was caused by doctors' unwashed hands (going from one patient to another). His theory about that (or some other thing?) was controversial. When it came time for his wife to deliver their child, he wasn't able to attend her himself because they were family, so he begged the attending doctor to wash his hands. I remember the scene was written as him being so desperate on his wife's account that he made some major concession to the attending doctor, who didn't agree with his hand washing theory.

I wish I was better at remembering names and facts. They just sort of fade away, and I'm left with my emotional response to the story.

[Lgirlrocks]

As a former home schooled kid who hated being home schooled and would never home school if I had kids, I have no problem with home schooling’s. Home schooling isn’t supposed to be easier. It takes a lot of work to make sure your children have all of the tools they need to learn. Takes time to take them to outside activities and classes. No parent can teach everything. Kids need to socialized with other kids their age that aren’t their siblings. 

Most fundies want total isolation when they home school. They pick their kids friends and limit the amount of time they can spend with them. It hurts their kids. My mom chose to home school because she met some him school kids that knew how to talk to adults. 

I hated being home schooled because my mom poured all of her time and energy into my older brother. I wanted to learn more and go to classes. I spent a lot of my time reading. 

I knew kids that were home schooled the right way. They spent hours a day on their studies and did field trips with other home schoolers. 

God called parents to teach their kids which they can do while sending their kids to school. 

Lori you did/do most of the things you teach against. Have you ever come out and said you were wrong for doing them? Nope! 

[delphinium65]

The more I think about Lori's claims that she 'teaches,' the more it bothers me.  She's not even teaching, she's just laying down a list of demands, and using spiritual blackmail to insure compliance.  If you don't agree with her you 'hate God.'  I believe most of her followers just want to do what's right, and being told that they hate God when they disagree is just hitting below the belt, so to speak.  

[kmachete14]

@delphinium65 I've said it before, but I can never decide which is worse:

the spiritual blackmail  OR if she actually provided practical help on how to do the things she says

the practical help might actually grow her audience and gain more traction / make her message more appealing. 

[wallysmommy]

I don't think she can behave in any other way than she does because she is shallow and lacks the ability to create situational responses.  As someone said in a previous thread, she lives in a binary world.  Every day of life is a "what if" situation, which she refuses to acknowledge.  How can she live in peace when every day she has to come up with at least two topics to criticize and stir up her self-righteous indignation?  

[delphinium65]

20 minutes ago, kmachete14 said:

@delphinium65 I've said it before, but I can never decide which is worse:

the spiritual blackmail  OR if she actually provided practical help on how to do the things she says

the practical help might actually grow her audience and gain more traction / make her message more appealing. 

Good point.  I guess there's a (very thin, faint) silver lining even to Lori's bitch cloud!  

[kpmom]

1 hour ago, kmachete14 said:

@delphinium65 I've said it before, but I can never decide which is worse:

the spiritual blackmail  OR if she actually provided practical help on how to do the things she says

the practical help might actually grow her audience and gain more traction / make her message more appealing. 

Agree!

Has anyone ever seen comments from people who say she's changed their minds on anything?  It seems all of her commenters already agree with her anyway.

[FullOfGravy]

21 hours ago, Sarah92 said:

John Steele posted this:  "one of the certain marks of low intelligence: Responding to a general statement as if it applied personally. 'women on average are shorter than men' 'EXCUSE me, I am a TALL WOMAN'. Once you see it, it's everywhere"-Stephan Molyneux.

Yes, well, Stefan Molyneux also thinks that double X chromosomes and being anything but white are marks of low intelligence, so I don't really think he's qualified to judge anyone on smarts.

 

9 hours ago, samurai_sarah said:

Actually, in my experience, it is the mark of intelligence to question commonplaces. Questioning a general statement that everyone else seems to hold true shows that one can think outside the box.

Definitely.  Sometimes the answer to the question is, "actually, we had it right all along."  Sometimes it's "wow, we had that bass-ackwards." 

Also just jumping off from your post: There's also a difference between a trend in the data, personal observation, and an absolute fact.  When someone makes a statement about every marriage, it's reasonable to refute that by pointing out examples that don't fit. 

If they say that marriages where the wife wears the pants are usually less happy than those where the husband is the headship, then you can ask for sources and argue about statistics and measures of happiness and pants-wearing.  In the (imho unlikely) event that they can cite real sources, it's still only a correlation.  It might be suggestive of causation, but doesn't prove it, and it doesn't invalidate the outliers (though the outliers don't invalidate the trend, either).

If they'd said "every marriage that I know of," then they're working from a limited and likely biased (they probably hang out with people who share their patriarchal views) sample.

Ahem.  Sorry, I spent a large chunk of this afternoon arguing having a discussion about how to get measures of some hard-to-pinpoint social variables, and how to analyze them alongside some solid, lab-collected data.

[Frog99]

46 minutes ago, FullOfGravy said:

Ahem.  Sorry, I spent a large chunk of this afternoon arguing having a discussion about how to get measures of some hard-to-pinpoint social variables, and how to analyze them alongside some solid, lab-collected data.

Likely totally unrelated to your research- but- are you familiar with Carol Graham? She studies well being utilizing economic indicators (she’s an economist). I find it really interesting. Here is a link to info about her- I’m sure there are a million more. 

https://hceconomics.uchicago.edu/people/carol-graham

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/experts/carol-graham/amp/

[Free Jana Duggar]

I'm not sure what to say my marriage is like. We do fall into traditional gender roles for the most part, though I  work outside the home and know how to pack a bag and drive away from a fire.

I do respect my husband as the leader of the home and defer to his wishes, and I sometimes threaten my kids with, "I'm gonna tell your daddy." However, he doesn't feel the need to control everything.  

I pretty much do as I please and tend to my own business. He doesn't put his 2 cents into everything I do. He's too busy with his own job to worry about what I'm doing.

He will make a final decision occasionally. Like when he asked me to send the tax refund to the credit card, or wanted me to wait to get my car painted.

He's just not a control freak like some of Lori's fanboys. That's probably why I don't mind doing what he asks when he does speak up.

[FullOfGravy]

33 minutes ago, Frog99 said:

Likely totally unrelated to your research- but- are you familiar with Carol Graham? She studies well being utilizing economic indicators (she’s an economist). I find it really interesting. Here is a link to info about her- I’m sure there are a million more. 

https://hceconomics.uchicago.edu/people/carol-graham

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/experts/carol-graham/amp/

It is totally unrelated (I do language cognition, and there are all sorts of aspects of a person's life experience that affect how their brain handles language), but Carol Graham and her work do sound really interesting.  I'll have to read some more about her - thanks!

[Loveday]

On today's modesty post, all posted within the past hour:

Question from Alison:

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Okay but your daughter models leggings and other revealing fitness clothing (I follow her awesome Instagram) do you disapprove of her choices?

Liam replies:

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Are you serious? Well I guess if she is grown they can't control her.

Response from Alison:

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Yes, shes beautiful, encouraging, and seems like a great dance instructor. I wonder if her mom's posts hurt her feelings. If you want a link to her Instagram let me know, it's very inspirational and positive!

[SilverBeach]

11 hours ago, Free Jana Duggar said:

She did post a pic of her and some other girls all dressed up like it could have been homecoming when she wrote that.

Lori wasn't bad looking back it the day, so it's possible she made the homecoming court.  

I've been reading her threads for a while, don't recall seeing any such picture where she was definitely on the homecoming court. It takes more than just not being bad looking to be on the homecoming court, it take popularity.

[Free Jana Duggar]

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2016/06/modesty-and-homecoming-court.html?m=1. 

Here is a link. Looks like it could be Homecoming She might be telling the truth. 

[SilverBeach]

3 minutes ago, Free Jana Duggar said:

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2016/06/modesty-and-homecoming-court.html?m=1. 

Here is a link. Looks like it could be Homecoming She might be telling the truth. 

Oh, I wouldn't have seen this unless it was posted here. I never go to any of her original sites. Thanks to all who repost her crap here.