Lori Alexander: 63: Teacher of Foolishness

[Lgirlrocks]

6 hours ago, AuntKrazy said:

@Imrlgoddess

I understand completely. I was taught that crying was selfish. When I was a teenager and struggling with bulimia, I had written in my journal about thinking about suicide. My mother found my journal, and I was punished. I was grounded longer for both asking to go to counseling and crying. 

Fast forward through a lot of great therapy and a lot of life lived with love and loss, and I now (strangely to most) love to go to movies that are tearjeckers because I love that I have a space where I feel free to cry.. 

I’m sorry you went through that. One of the times I tried to kill myself I got caught. I told a friend I took a bunch of pills. She told her mom and her mom called me with her daughters phone and asked to talk to my mom. My dad was sick and wasn’t working anymore. He had ms for those that didn’t know. All she could say to me was “how could you do this to me.” She never got me any help and we never talked about it again. 

I have a hard time with emotions. I let them come however they may now. As a kid I hated crying, it showed weakness in my eyes. I got in trouble for saying negative things about myself but never for being sad or upset. My dad was very good at making sure if I needed to cry things out I could do it on his shoulder. I could not imagine getting in trouble for showing negative emotions. 

[Free Jana Duggar]

Look out y'all. Lori is trying to go viral again by calling out the women jezebel preachers.

Hey Lori, why don't you just mind your own business. If they are mistaken in their calling God will deal with them.

It's funny though how none of the women you mentioned have ever had a scandal (affairs, misusing money, etc..) like some male preachers. 

Personally I don't care how much money they make. Sure, they are well off and have things they don't really need, but so do Hollywood stars, pro ball players and politicians...

Joyce Meyer and Beth Moore's children are grown. They can do what they want.  

BTW Joyce Meyer does teach on submission to your husband. She just takes more of a be respectful and don't always be defensive approach and puts it in a way women can relate to.

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[wallysmommy]

I feel fortunate that when I would have my teen year meltdowns, my dad would say "come here," and he would hug me and tell me everything was going to be okay.  Then my mom would brush my hair and talk to me calmly.  I admit I was a whiney, bitchy teenager with lots of self-esteem issues, primarily from the church setting where everyone was dating except me.  My dad was even calm with my cousin who threw temper tantrums as a toddler to get attention.  He called her "screaming mimi" and told her she wasn't doing it right.  Making her laugh usually broke the tantrum.  Until he died, and she was 50+ years old, he called her Mimi, and she loved it.  It was their special bond.

I am so tempted to use my sock account and talk about "being submissive and my husband and I even found books and videos on how to do it correctly.  We are in the process of converting our basement to a room where we can practice submission.   My husband feels like I still have a lot to learn and he is doing it with love and tenderness.  We have another couple who is coming over to counsel us, and we will use our marriage room so that they can demonstrate how to be a submissive wife the correct way."

Whatcha think?  I just have to rattle her cage.

[polecat]

On 3/9/2019 at 7:09 AM, Lisafer said:

Eek. I still remember walking from the library at about 18 and a middle-aged man paused his pickup in the intersection to tell me he liked my extremely long hair (just past my butt length). Dude, really?

This reminds me of the time a man came jogging up to me in a parking lot to tell me he loved my red hair. He even asked for my phone number. Um, no. Go away.

[Lgirlrocks]

Jesus came to earth and shook all of the religious leaders at the time. They, like Lori, cared about rules. Jesus cared about doing his father’s work by ministering to all. Helping the poor. He loved on everyone, even those that betrayed him. If Jesus didn’t want women to preach he would have said so. There is no law against it. Paul was speaking to a specific church when he told women to let the men speak. 

I know you, Lori, will say that women did a lot of things they weren’t supposed to and it doesn’t make it right. We are all called to preach the gospel. If the women mentioned are preachers then so are you. You could make your page private and for women only but you don’t. You could disable your comments but you don’t. What qualifies you to be able to teach? You did everything you tell your followers not to do.

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[BullyJBG]

11 hours ago, AuntKrazy said:

@Imrlgoddess

I understand completely. I was taught that crying was selfish. When I was a teenager and struggling with bulimia, I had written in my journal about thinking about suicide. My mother found my journal, and I was punished. I was grounded longer for both asking to go to counseling and crying. 

Fast forward through a lot of great therapy and a lot of life lived with love and loss, and I now (strangely to most) love to go to movies that are tearjeckers because I love that I have a space where I feel free to cry.. 

Thank you for sharing that. I grew up with my share of "stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about". Yikes; yeah, having no safe space; I journal too, and I'd have stuffed journals in my pants if they didn't show back then. And talking about suicide was wrong, yes. I hope your parents learned eventually how thankful they should be that you DID survive that. Thankfully mine learned, or are learning. My mom and I were going through old scrapbooks recently, as a means for preparing for potential downsizing. It brought out triggers. She actually got teary in my sharing that I felt shamed a lot growing up. My dad now talks about us all being on a journey, even though we make mistakes along the way. So, I'd like to think there's hope for you too.

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

10 hours ago, livinglongerthanyou said:

Lori is a monster and I am not convinced that she doesn't enjoy inflicting pain and misery on others, no matter how little they are. There is something very unnatural about how she deals with others. 

Yes this x 1000!!

 I can never say this too often:  Lori beat her children with a stiff, thick, hard non-flexible, 12-inch leather strap on their bare bottoms over 4 hour periods. Beat them hard.

Unpack that for a minute.  Think about how that would feel as an adult.  Now remember Lori did this to children 5 and under.  

She swears she only did this for the first and only temper tantrum/ major disobedience.  But I don't believe her.  I believe this was her go-to method of punishment for Every. Single. Infraction.  She beat them to break their wills completely. BS on this to cure them of selfish stubbornness.

I believe her children became happy smiling perfect robot children out of self preservation.  Who wants to be beaten all the time with a thick hard leather strap. 

 

[wallysmommy]

Let us not forget she kicked her cat and hurt her foot.  Hateful wench that would kick a little animal!  

[Loveday]

4 hours ago, Free Jana Duggar said:

Look out y'all. Lori is trying to go viral again by calling out the women jezebel preachers.

Hey Lori, why don't you just mind your own business. If they are mistaken in their calling God will deal with them.

It's funny though how none of the women you mentioned have ever had a scandal (affairs, misusing money, etc..) like some male preachers. 

Personally I don't care how much money they make. Sure, they are well off and have things they don't really need, but so do Hollywood stars, pro ball players and politicians...

...and Lori Alexander. 

[HurricaneBells]

7 hours ago, wallysmommy said:

Whatcha think?  I just have to rattle her cage.

Haha yessss, make her clutch those pearls. Sanctimonius bitch.

[wallysmommy]

I'm all for giving Lori some chest pain.  I may even refer to some wonderful resource books by Maya Banks (erotic romance with dom/sub themes).  

The post she cited today -- I looked up Reformation Charlotte and all I see are a bunch of memes and the website has no reference as to who runs it.  But they do have a store for sale where you can buy t-shirts and tracks.  David Rod needs to hook up with them to be the official godly printer.

 

[TeaGrannie]

On 3/9/2019 at 5:04 AM, TeddyBonkers said:

I enjoy wearing dresses in hot weather (retro dresses, in case anyone was wondering). It is creepazoids like this guy who come up to me in the store to give me a lecture on "how nice it is to see women dressing like ladies again".

My instant thought for a response....”thank you...I am hoping being a gentleman will be the next trend to return “. Sadly it probably would have gone right over his head. ?

 

[Sarah92]

Lori, sweetheart, your jealousy is showing. I actually do believe you're upset because despite having a large following on Facebook and being in the news, you haven't been asked to speak at a church event or attend a women's conference as a main speaker. Because as much as you hate conferences and women's Bible studies your page is exactly that, a gathering of people that you're preaching to on a daily basis. Preaching to younger women is bullshit because half of your followers are now males. As others have said, you could make your page private and approve or accept who could post but you don't.  I'm quite certain that it burns you that you haven't reached where these ladies have. I don't even agree with all of them on everything but I'm pretty sure many of these women are good, kind women who don't deserve the vitriol that you give them. 

She and those like her such a limited view of preaching. I believe I'm sharing the gospel every time I look a client in the eyes and tell them they matter because I might be the only one telling them that. Preaching and teaching doesn't have to be throwing out Bible verses. It's the very way we live our lives and how we treat others that will speak louder for the Gospel than any words can. Words are meaningless if our actions show a stone, cold heart.

1 Corinthians 13:1-3

 1If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

[PennySycamore]

@Sarah92, what you said reminds of something that St Francis said:

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Preach the gospel at all times.  If necessary, use words.

 

[feministxtian]

@PennySycamore that's my favorite quote of all time. I really think there's so much that can be said through actions. The adage "actions speak louder than words" is so true. 

Me? I don't talk much because I'm DEFINITELY not what you'd expect a Christian to be. I've often said that when God made me he shook his head and wondered "what the hell was I thinking??"

[Hane]

@feministxtian, you’ve reminded me of a comments section in a FB post: The writer mentioned someone who had been injured, and expressed his surprise that the only people who stepped up to help “looked nothing like Christians.” I asked him exactly what he thought Christians looked like, and he admitted that his prejudices were showing. I told him that one of the nicest and most helpful people I ever met in NYC was covered in tattoos and wearing head-to-foot black leather.

[AuntKrazy]

@Liza

I'm not sure it's a specific religion that does it.  Some of the ultra-conservative Presbyterian churches seem to encourage both discipline and stoicism which can lead to interpreting the experience of emotions as sin. Lori often seems to advocate versions of this in her babble. 

[Sarah92]

1 hour ago, PennySycamore said:

@Sarah92, what you said reminds of something that St Francis said:

 

I really like that quote! I just finished reading Out of Sorts by Sarah Bessey and not only is it a phenomenal book but she talks about this. She discusses breaking down the wall between sacred and secular and instead living life as if everything is part of of the sacred. 

And @feministxtian I'm sure when he made you he was like "see this person? This person is beyond fabulous and uniquely perfect."

[Loveday]

Dissension in the ranks! Dissension in the ranks! Lori is having an argument this morning with one of her staunchest supporters! A MAN, no less!

Topic: He wants the children vaccinated. She doesn't.

Shaun:

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Haha...... she submits in everything like scripture commands.....well except this or that, but in everything ELSE...... come on Lori. Stop with the buts. 
Some women think vaccines are evil. Some women think dancing is evil. I’m sure Abraham thought sacrificing Isaac was evil. We don’t get to pick and choose. We are supposed to trust and follow God, and by extension, trust and follow the husband in all things.

Lori:

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Did you even read my post?

Another commenter:

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... I’m confused. She said submit to your husband if he wants them vaccinated.

 

Shaun:

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...My amusement is because it’s judgement based. As I stated, she counsels not to submit to what the wife feels is “evil”. The wife has to judge her husbands decisions and decide whether it’s “evil”
Lori doesn’t find vaccines personally “evil”’or she would counseled them to rebel against their husband.
Do you see the difference??

Lori:

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...Not true. I am very much opposed to vaccinations. Wives should not participate in clearly evil things such as watching porn, participating in a threesome, getting an abortion if the husband wants one, robbing a bank, being physically beat up by their husbands, etc. These are all considered evil, wouldn't you agree or do you think wives should obey their husbands in these areas? I do have some trying to convince me that their wives should obey their husbands even in these evil things but we (my husband and I) vehemently disagree.

 

Shaun:

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The Transformed Wife I think the exceptions are not biblical and in the end do far more harm than good. Remember that Sarah agreed to be in two different monarchs harems! Using your logic, Sarah should have refused.......yet she was commended by God and is held scripturally as the model for a wife’s submission.
That’s not an easy biblical truth to swallow, but it is biblical truth.

 

So, another example of a man advocating for submission in ALL things, good, neutral, or even EVIL. And more important, yet another example of Lori teaching a MAN. *clutches pearls* 

[mango_fandango]

Lori has a warped idea of evil.

1) Porn is a difficult one. I don’t think it’s “evil” in and of itself, but I do think it can cause issues in relationships.

2) Threesomes are not evil. They’re not my cup of tea, but they’re not evil. I don’t care what people get up to in the bedroom as long as it’s legal and consensual. 

3) Abortion - not evil in my eyes. The exact context surrounding each can be somewhat complex, but I am pro-choice.

4) Being physically attacked - yes, that’s never OK. 

5) Robbing a bank- illegal. Evil? Not so sure. 

The problem is that the word evil is a very strong one, and often used quite frequently these days. It’s almost a cliche to describe any nasty crime as “evil”. Any murderer or rapist (particularly child rapists) is often described that way. In crime contexts evil is used to describe both the crime itself and the perpetrator, which is important to consider. 

I could go on for ages here. But my main point is that Lori has always been one for using over-the-top, often very loaded language, and this is just one incidence. 

[Frog99]

More dissension! 

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[wallysmommy]

Queen of WOO completely sidestepped this statement from Lady of Reason 

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Current vaccines are not made out of any aborted fetal material, instead cell lines are bred in laboratories in petri dishes, not collected from any human, (not embryonic stem cells, regular somatic (body) cells) that have been for decades. 

 

Cora is going to put circumcision and anti-vaxx in her wedding vows.  I can't think of anything more romantic and loving to include in your special moment.  "For better or worse, to never circumcize, and to never vaccinate any children we might have."

And the grand remedy from the book she recommends -- cod liver oil.  Here's the side effects:

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It can cause side effects including belching, bad breath, heartburn, loose stools, andnausea. Taking cod liver oil with meals can often decrease these side effects. Highdoses of cod liver oil are POSSIBLY UNSAFE. They might keep blood from clottingand can increase the chance of bleeding.

Interestingly, someone asked her to stop posting on vaccines because people are fighting on the board.  I think her fan girls are much happier when she sticks to simple things -- cooking, cleaning, and calling out Jezebels for their dress and makeup.

[Pink Muffin]

Oh, to be a fly on Lori´s dirty Norwex cloth  She sure is getting a bashing on this post. I guess Ken is busy saddling the Horse of Truth. Or Lori is going to delete the post.

I think that this post on submitting and yesterdays about women are commanded to silence in the church higlights the problems when you are taking the Bible literally. Lori says she´s not preaching but teatching, and teatching only women despite the fact that she has many manly man followers who like to be mean to the women.
Many interpret this Bible passage as she is preaching and told her so and she still insisted that she was teatching.

The same applies to the submitting to your husband in everything. Some people (surprisingly most men) say that women are to submit in everything, and they mean everything. While some people are disagreeing and offering  their interpretation about submitting.

I think Satan is rejoicing in his can of green beans when he sees the fighting over words and semantic 

[Hisey]

20 hours ago, wallysmommy said:

Let us not forget she kicked her cat and hurt her foot.  Hateful wench that would kick a little animal!  

I think kicking a cat once is not the same as beating a toddler for four hours on their bare bottom with a leather strap. I like animals and all, and I've certainly never kicked one, but come on. These were babies and it was for four hours.

I see that today some of her craziest followers are calling her out, because she implied that *sometimes* it's ok to "disobey" your husband. That Shantu guy is really a nutcase. He says that even in the case of physical violence, you should stay and submit (unless your life is in danger). Thankfully, he is getting pushback. 

[wallysmommy]

 

I agree the beating of the children is abhorent and reprehensible and far more horrible than the cat incident.  I was just using the cat as an example that she cannot control her temper.  Remember when she bragged she hit Ken.  She brags about the beatings of her children.  She is a disgusting evil person who walks around in the guise of holiness, when inside she is raging with hate, anger and wrath.