Michelle 2: Mom of 13 & YouTuber Accused of Neglect on Dr. Phil

[ViolaSebastian]

2 minutes ago, anjulibai said:

I'm looking at the website for The Good and The Beautiful, though not going in depth super much. It was created by a Mormon singer-songwriter.

I'm not knocking singer-songwriters in any way, but...creating a homeschooling curriculum seems like it would be outside her wheelhouse, to say the last. 

[anjulibai]

I'm looking closer at the science curriculum. Supposedly good for both Young Earthers and Old Earthers. 

The astronomy book....oh man. So, it focuses a lot on the planets and Solar System astronomy, but there doesn't seem to be much acknowledgment of extra-solar astronomy, beyond a section titled "Stars", and nothing extra-galactic. Nothing about nebulae, galaxies, globular clusters, etc. 

There's a health book that contains not one, but two books on how horrible pornography is, and a section titled "Sexual Intercourse and Living Virtuously".

One positive I'll say for the science curriculum, there are activities that one would see in a good public school classroom. 

The history curriculum....hooo boy. All I'll add about that is that the Unit on Ancient Egypt has only 6 sections actually about Ancient Egypt, out of 14, and there are 4sections about Pre-Columbia Americas versus 3 sections alone on Columbus and 4 more on other genocidal maniacs.....uh...."explorers". 

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Mormons, from what I understand, constantly talk about being pioneers because of their history of being persecuted and fleeing from upstate New York (or Nauvoo, IL? I can’t remember) westward to Utah. They also believe that Jesus came to the United States and revealed that to Joseph Smith. If I am wrong on any of this I hope someone more familiar with LDS theology can correct me but this is what I remember from speaking with LDS missionaries. When missionaries want to visit, I try to make time if I’m not busy and throw love on them to show them that heathens can be loving without being LDS. I also know that they’re naive teenagers that for the most part have no idea about life outside Mormonism, especially if they grew up in Utah. In fact, many former Mormons went on missionaries but didn’t leave until later on because they’re afraid of upsetting their family and being different (Mormonism in Utah is Iike a different planet from what I’ve heard them tell me... business and social events are mainly around the church). Also, check out John Dehlin’s podcast and YouTube Mormon Stories. He has been doing great things to speak against of how the church treats LGBTQ and interviews former and current LDS on all sorts of topics.

I know this is somewhat morbid but... I REALLY want to see JRod on Dr. Phil now. Perhaps if he gets enough messages on it, he’ll invite her. I think he might be interested in covering attention-seeking Quiverfull mothers and the children that are the poor victims? 

I want to see JRod react to him shouting “COMMON SENSE ALERT!” multiple times.

Edited March 1, 2019 by luv2laugh

[ViolaSebastian]

Just now, luv2laugh said:

Mormons, from what I understand, constantly talk about being pioneers because of their history of being persecuted and fleeing from upstate New York (or Nauvoo,IL? I can’t remember) westward to Utah. They also believe that Jesus came to the United States.

Mormons tended to get kicked out/fled a lot of places--Joseph Smith was from upstate New York and that's where he allegedly saw Moroni and did the deal with the hats and the golden plates. The two big settlements between leaving New York and settling in Utah were Nauvoo and their winter quarters while heading west, near the Nebraska/Iowa state line.

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3 hours ago, ViolaSebastian said:

@Hashtag Blessed, you are more patient than I am. I can get through J-Rod and Pope Pee Pee, but I could not do it with this woman. Thank you!

There's something going on with this woman, mental-health-wise. She almost seems hypomanic in that video.

Narcissism springs to mind regarding her.  I agree, it does sound like some type of mental or personality disorder.  Sounds like she does a lot of deflecting and refusing to take responsibility for anything.  She doesn't sound like she wants to be a mother, just to keep having them.

[luv2laugh]

New video discussing the baby’s Cardiology appt. Oops I mean from yesterday.  DRAMA FILLED.

Of course she’s an anti-vaxer...

Still watching. Apparently the cardiologist was “being rude” and the baby’s heart hole hasn’t closed. This lady can go suck an egg. I’m so mad at her. The baby could have died.

She tells us "Once we got to the doctor, YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED."

Says "On the way there, in the car I asked my husband 'What if he gives us a hard time? I was afraid what if the cardiologist has the POLICE waiting for us and is really concerned!?!?"

"I WAS GOING TO BE A BIG GIRL. My husband is almost 50. We get to BE BIG and we were going to be BIG and tell the cardiologist HEY WE GET TO MAKE OUR OWN CHOICES! Right?! (We get to tell him) HEY just because it's not a decision you'd make it's a decision I'd make and it's OK just because it's different from yours" Yeah, Meeechelle you go tell that stupid cardiologist to go fuck off and go back to medical school to study the books again!!!

Sorry. I'm pissed. Was this jerk NERVOUS about the BABY'S CONDITION?! NOPE... She was NERVOUS THE CARDIOLOGIST was going to "give us a hard time" or "hehe have the police waiting for us".

(Apparently she says the cardiologist apologized for getting mad at her on a phone call).

She says "WELL it turns out the holes didn't actually close up and they really are size-able and do need to get fixed".  Wow... The ego and (Stupidity? What kind of problem is blinding her to not care about this baby's health?) of this woman is SURREAL.

"If we fix them soon, she will be ok and not have to have another surgery. If we don't, she can end up with right side heart failure and all these other problems." You KNOW WHAT!? If you WERE a good mom... you would have been birthing at that hospital and had those doctors operate on her ASAP if necessary.

She says the baby does not need two surgeries and only one and can wait 6-9 months. She again says the cardiologist said 'I'm sorry for how it came off it wasn't what I thought it was but she is doing just great.' so HEHE we were friends again!!! BUT I was ready. I was ready to state my claim but he didn't have a problem with any of it. THAT'S THE TRUTH." Suuure... I can't help but believe you aren't leaving anything out? Under or over-exaggerating anything? 
 

She spends some time taking questions from her BFFs. "HAHA and that's WHY I married him- because he said he'd let me have all THOSE kids! And 13! I can't believe it, I can't believe he really carried through with it. And now he says 'If you want more honey, you can have more babies. I never thought a Down baby would be so cute and we're just totally in love." 

One commenter fed her ego and she HAD to read it out loud, "I heard a study that the more kids a woman has, the younger she looks and feels and I think that study is spot on because you look so good after having 13!" That's the kind of attention she craves. This is her drug (and pregnancy as well).

One commenter tells her "We don't vaccinate. My kid has autism from it." she's recommending the keto diet to her and a netflix film called The Miracle Pill and says the kids completely improved and lost some of their markers.

She announced her Instagram but it's private. She says "Anybody who wants to follow me on Instagram it's gotkidz_keepitreal it's pretty easy to find."

She responds to someone saying, "Ooooh God is SO good." and goes on about differences in thoughts and ideas or something.

Side note: I believe she's deliberately not talking about her LDS beliefs because she's afraid it may alienate fans and wants to appeal to a broader market $$$.  It's the exact same thing that her IDOL QUEEN Jordan Page of FunCheaporFree on Youtube does (don't get me started on what I think about Jordan Page... not as bad as Meeechelle #2 but still...). She made an entire video on visiting her in person at a conference... Also, the "DEAR ANGEL FRIENDS" that visit her are LDS church people. I'd bet money on that.

Edited March 1, 2019 by luv2laugh

[ViolaSebastian]

Wait, so they covered her in olive oil prior to the appointment, then they got mad at the doctor's office because the clamps for the EKG machine were slipping off? Da fuck, lady.

I'm noticing that's nothing is ever this woman's fault. Ever. 

Edited March 1, 2019 by ViolaSebastian

[luv2laugh]

I actually have to take breaks. She's that puke inducing. Her complete oblivion and refusal to take how serious this baby's heart issues are... it's surreal to me. It's so dark.

Did she honestly believe that because her husband is an EMT, he could have pulled an ambulance out of his asshole if something went WRONG during the baby's "high risk" birth!?!? I cannot believe this woman.

No... An EMT cannot pull an ambulance out of his asshole. This isn't a "clowning around" game.

I might be seeing things but the more I watch her on video, the more I am starting to see she resembles JRod in the face? Could it be the eyes and the way she grins when one of the fangirls start complimenting her?

Edited March 1, 2019 by luv2laugh

[luv2laugh]

2 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Her midwife sounds like an idiot.

I wonder if her midwife is from the same "Mickey Mouse program" as the midwife that Jill Dillard trained under? Sorry, I saw someone use the term "Mickey Mouse school" in a Dillard thread (?) and it's a hilarious term.

I also bet that she tried to tell the cardiologist that she didn't want to go through with the baby having a necessary heart surgery, hoping that "woo" remedies would have the holes close naturally. I am pretty sure that's when the cardiologist warned her about the baby having heart failure if she did not proceed with surgery.

Look, I can sympathize with a mom worried about having a tiny baby undergo heart surgery (not Michelle though). Yes, it's scary and a major surgery. However, why fight the cardiologist, who is the expert, over it? Why protest? I'd worry MORE about the baby having heart failure.

Why fight the staff performing the EKG? Would they seriously rather the staff NOT perform an EKG than to confirm or make an accurate diagnosis of the baby's heart? Why not do everything you can to COMPLY and make it easier???

Oh, I get it... these are "woo woo doctor no no" anti-vaxxers with an ego (or a severe level of stupidity).

Edited March 1, 2019 by luv2laugh

[Hashtag Blessed]

Ok, after another interlude I’m determined to get through to the end of this horrific video!

Part 3 of I’m a Perfect Homeschool Mom Even Though My Kids Couldn't Read!

Tuesday went on some missions and taught english abroad. Blah blah blah, typical mormon stuff. She’s talking about how the church helped a poor Cambodian village Tuesday was teaching in by giving them toilets and showers. Okay? Again, what does this have to do with homeschooling!?

Now on to Iron Rod! Who learned to read “a little bit later” because he liked science and math so much more! He struggled with reading at age 7 until she bought him magazines that appealed to his interest in bikes. She says this like it’s a revolutionary concept that kids will actually take to reading when you present them with materials that they’re interested in. This isn’t a revelation, Michelle! Iron Rod did his mission and taught english abroad too. Then he was employed as an EMT. Oh, Rod is a firefighter? Interesting. Rod discouraged Iron Rod from following in his footsteps and also becoming a firefighter. So now he’s a corrections officer. “He’s such a great guy!” Okay, that’s nice I guess.

Borden I guess is number 3? He’s “intellectual.” Liked history, science, and math. And learned to read by age 7. Borden is in the theater so he didn’t teach English abroad, but he did do his mission in South Korea. She’s bragging about how well he speaks Korean now. Does she think she deserves credit for him learning Korean abroad? He’s a Korean interpreter and a rideshare driver now. Which, again, great! But what does this have to do with homeschooling?

Now onto River, finally. He didn’t learn to read until he was 12 but apparently that’s his fault “because he wanted to play a lot.” *Hard side eye*

At that time they were doing the Thomas Jefferson Education curriculum? This is the first she’s mentioned this, so I’m not sure where it fits in the timeline. This is the curriculum she blames for River’s struggles. They moved to Utah and were in a homeschool collective, where he did eventually learn to read. But she says again that River only struggled with reading because he “wanted to use his time to play.” And this curriculum structures “time not content.” I’m not entirely sure what she means by that. Does she mean that he had a certain alotted time to do work and instead played around? How does that explain anything? If he doesn’t get his work done in the alloted time, why would you not just keep him at it longer?

Oh, because “learning to read was too frustrating for him and they said ‘Don’t push it. Don’t force him. So I didn’t! And that was his choice at the time!” Not sure who “they” are here, but that’s stupid. That’s some fucking Naugler logic right there. He chooses not to learn to read, so I’m not going to force him! Bad. Parent.

He can read and write just fine now though! In fact he’s a beautiful writer and artist! She clearly believes she deserves the credit for his accomplishments, despite what he said on Dr. Phil.

Sunshine was also frustrated with reading and only wanted to play. She says again that she was trying to do “structured time, not content.” Is this some kind of Montessori style thing? Is that what she’s saying?

She read by the time she was 8. Michelle is saying “maybe she wishes she read earlier” but is dismissive of that. Except Sunshine didn’t complain about that on Dr. Phil. What she said was “I can read but I’m not good at anything else.” So reading is clearly not what she feels like she missed out on in her education. But Michelle seems to have failed to absorb that criticism. Shocker.

The says this curriculum worked perfectly for the older three just not for River and Sunshine and she actually throws up her hands and says “Oh well! Some kids are different!” and that’s why she dropped that program. She still uses their philosophy of the parent modeling “good behavior” and “reading” though. She just gestured vaguely to the bookshelf behind her and said “Obviously I like to read. I’ve read every book up here.” Not to be a snob, but that’s not that many books. The shelf is only half full and the only title I can make out is The Chronicles of Narnia. I wouldn’t look at that shelf and think “that’s the bookshelf of a person who obviously likes to read!”

Lol, Dr. Phil’s book is on the shelf. She jokes that she should take it down.

After Sunshine she “just couldn’t do it anymore” and put the rest in public school until now. But this program is soooo much better! Mmkay.

Now she’s bragging about the 32 day “American History” and “Our Church History” trip they did with the kids on the east coast. She’ll never forget going to Gettysburg! That changed her life! I’m not exaggerating here, she actually said that. They spent 3 days at Times Square!? WHY? Times Square is hell on earth. Why is she bragging about this family vacation?

I'm going to break this into another post because this is sooo long! Almost there though. 

[ViolaSebastian]

Michelle acknowledges that she's had depression and anxiety in the past, sometimes so badly that she couldn't get out of bed or function. Lord knows, the answer to crippling depression is more kids--just ask the Maxwells. She recommends routines, vitamins, having something to do (because 12 kids isn't enough?!), going for a walk, taking showers, finding a social outlet, and she once mentions going to an actual doctor or therapist. Her brother died by suicide, so it's a hereditary issue in their family, it seems.

 

[Hashtag Blessed]

Part 3: The Homeschool Video

Oh dear god, she’s actually saying that the life coach WINKED at her when Dr.Phil said she had to stop homeschooling! But they didn’t show that on the TV! They didn’t even show the outside of her house! They showed a different house! She talked about this in the last video too, it’s clearly very upsetting to her that they didn’t show off all of her fun Halloween Decorations. She thinks it’s because “it looked too cute and too cheerful!” and they didn’t want to show that. I mean, maybe, but it could also just be because they didn’t want the seasonal decor to throw people off if it is shown as a rerun? But no, that can’t be it. It’s definitely because “positivity” doesn’t bring in enough viewers.

33:39 - “I think just having 12 kids could have brought enough attention, but apparently they wanted controversy and boy did they get it, at my expense!”  ?

34:32 - “Who makes three meals a day for their kids if they don’t love them? Who feeds their kids regularly if they don’t love them?” Again, Michelle, just because you love your kids doesn’t mean you’re incapable of neglecting them. “Love” was never in question. Time, attention, emotional availability, empathy, education, and adequate food are in question.

She’s already talking about not complying with the help Dr. Phil provides because she doesn’t think they’re going to do much to help her. Again she mentions how she previously quit using their “clutter expert” a while ago.

The kids are “mortified” and begging her not to send them back to public school. And she’s offended at Dr. Phil’s insistence that she doesn’t have the “manpower” to homeschool. But she says she only has 5 “students” to one “teacher,” whereas in public school it’s 15+ students per teacher. A fair point, but that teacher is probably not breastfeeding a newborn baby with Down Syndrome. Also that teacher will probably spend more time monitoring them than 3 hours a day. Just sayin’.

She ends the video by saying “I hope that was helpful for you!” LMAO HOW? How could 40-minute video of defensive rambling about how you’re super totally NOT neglecting your kids be helpful to anyone on earth but you, Michelle? Good god, the narcissism. I swear!

She’s also offering to have the kids talk on camera about how they feel about suicide and homeschooling now. “And I don’t need to coach them! So there you go!” Yeah, I’m sure you don’t.

She’s going to do a video about hoarding next! With a real tour of her house! Damn, I can't believe I’m genuinely interested. But that’s the end of this one! Thank god. She’s a real piece of work.

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27 minutes ago, Hashtag Blessed said:

She’s also offering to have the kids talk on camera about how they feel about suicide and homeschooling now. “And I don’t need to coach them! So there you go!” Yeah, I’m sure you don’t.

 

Oooh, I see. So Michelle is going to force the camera on the minors (her young children) to deliver "hostage-like" statements, JRod style? What a piece of work...

I am sorry that Michelle suffers from bouts of debilitating depression where she can't get out of bed for days. I am and feel for her for that. I've been there and it's a horrible place. Per above video on Suicide Awareness, she admits she has "good days" and "bad days" that she doesn't discuss.

• You know what though? Michelle is a 47 year old adult. Michelle is a parent of 13 kids. It's Michelle's job to seek a REAL doctor (psychiatrist and psychologist) and get help for the vulnerable kids. 

There's no excuse. The LDS church, despite all of its many faults, is known for the having the most generous welfare-like system for struggling church members and requires its church members to perform "callings" and extensively assist families going through trials. The "housekeeper" she keeps referring to is an LDS church member, just "be real" Michelle... Stop the lies.

I blame Michelle. I blame her for her lack of responsibility for her own health and the health of the innocent victims that are her children. I blame her for continuing to get knocked up with babies despite knowing she's prone to bouts of severe, bed-ridden depression. I blame her for relying on "woo woo doctor no on" methods because I don't think she's "taking her meds". 

She risked Baby Millie's life ALL for the sake of her bragging about being 47 and having a natural home-birth with her "DOWN SYNDROME" (is that necessary for her to keep broadcasting?) 13th baby...

It's her job to get help. It's her job to take her meds (if prescribed by a real doctor). It's her job to get her children (AND adult offspring) medical and/or psychological help. She cannot sit in bed and be a victim when 13 children have/are depending on her (whether that's physically, financially, and/or emotionally). She needs to get herself and her children help but refuses to accept help. She refuses to believe she is responsible for anything.

Also, her EMT husband may be a victim but he's a 50 year old adult and parent too. He is complicit and actually, I place equal blame on him. If Michelle was bedridden with depression for days, he should have loaded her up in the ambulance and sought medical  treatment for her while requesting the LDS church to come help out (they have missionaries eager to do that basically 24/7). He needs to stop gambling away the money and escaping the problems his poor children are going through. Stop the avoidance. Stop escaping. Rod, you are not a teenager without responsibilities... Confront the problems and fix them... Suicide runs in Michelle's family and her young children have expressed suicidal thoughts. Fix these problems NOW before CPS gets involved or worse, something tragic happens.

Edited March 1, 2019 by luv2laugh

[Hashtag Blessed]

2 hours ago, luv2laugh said:

One commenter fed her ego and she HAD to read it out loud, "I heard a study that the more kids a woman has, the younger she looks and feels and I think that study is spot on because you look so good after having 13!" That's the kind of attention she craves. This is her drug (and pregnancy as well).

Ha! Was this study was carried out by the Michelle Duggar Institute of Self Flattery and Delusion? 

I'm watching the cardiologist video now and I'm starting to hate Rod a little more too. This guy is an anti-vax Firefighter but he thinks he knows more than the RN's at the cardiologists' office. Mmkay. He might be just as delusional as his wife is. 

28 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

Michelle acknowledges that she's had depression and anxiety in the past, sometimes so badly that she couldn't get out of bed or function. Lord knows, the answer to crippling depression is more kids--just ask the Maxwells. She recommends routines, vitamins, having something to do (because 12 kids isn't enough?!), going for a walk, taking showers, finding a social outlet, and she once mentions going to an actual doctor or therapist. Her brother died by suicide, so it's a hereditary issue in their family, it seems.

 

Jesus Christ! She's lost a sibling to suicide and is still so flippant about her own kids expressing the desire to self-harm!? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HER? That makes it so much worse! Ugggh, I can't deal with that level of denial. 

[Soulhuntress]

23 minutes ago, luv2laugh said:

There's no excuse. The LDS church, despite all of its many faults, is known for the having the most generous welfare-like system for struggling church members and requires its church members to perform "callings" and extensively assist families going through trials. The "housekeeper" she keeps referring to is an LDS church member, just "be real" Michelle... Stop the lies.

LDS Social Services and the Bishop's Storehouse are options.  I am shocked she is not all about food storage and is not canning like a madwoman.  Big LDS families I know do that.

I cannot believe her suicidal kids are not in counseling.  Again where is the YM/YW/YSA leadership to say "something is not right?"  

Vegas has a big enough LDS community for these services to be decent. FFS she could be gardening since she only homeschools like 3 hours a day.

Edited March 1, 2019 by Soulhuntress

[ViolaSebastian]

So as much as I don't want to sound like I'm defending this crazy woman, the husband also sounds like a garbage person as well. In this video, she talks about going away for three days so that some of her younger boys could get a haircut three hours away. (Side note: why the fuck doesn't she get people who provide services closer to where she lives??? I don't have time for that sort of idiocy and I'm just responsible for me. But, I digress). Apparently, the 21-year-old son and the father were left at home. When she returned, there were "four or five" garbage bags full of trash that hadn't been taken out, they hadn't done any dishes, and the place stunk. My guess is that there's an element of sexism involved with the failure to keep the house livable. As much as Michelle sucks, she can't do it alone, and two grown men should be able to keep a house reasonably hygenic for three days so that the heavily pregnant woman doesn't have to roll in to an entire days worth of chores. 

 

Edited March 1, 2019 by ViolaSebastian

[luv2laugh]

22 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

So as much as I don't want to sound like I'm defending this crazy woman, the husband also sounds like a garbage person as well. In this video, she talks about going away for three days so that some of her younger boys could get a haircut three hours away. (Side note: why the fuck doesn't she get people who provide services closer to where she lives??? I don't have time for that sort of idiocy and I'm just responsible for me. But, I digress). Apparently, the 21-year-old son and the father were left at home. When she returned, there were "four or five" garbage bags full of trash that hadn't been taken out, they hadn't done any dishes, and the place stunk. My guess is that there's an element of sexism involved with the failure to keep the house livable. As much as Michelle sucks, she can't do it alone, and two grown men should be able to keep a house reasonably hygenic for three days so that the heavy pregnant woman doesn't have to roll in to an entire days worth of chores. 



 

Yes. Her husband is to blame. I place equal blame on her husband. He is an EMT and takes people to the hospital via ambulance daily. He is choosing to avoid Michelle, avoid the problems with the kids, and go out to gamble as if he has no responsibilities.  He is one of those men that emotionally isolate themselves from the wife and family because it's easier for them to pretend there are no problems.

It's his JOB to call 911, load a bed-ridden, depressed Michelle (and any children threatening suicide) into the ambulance and get them medical treatment or a change in meds (I doubt woo woo doctor no no Michelle would take meds, which is part of the problem),

Similar to the Evangelical and IFB Fundies, many Mormons believe a woman's place is in the home. Not all, but many do. The studies that have been conducted, including the polls and surveys performed in Utah do not lie. Utah is notorious for holding conservative and patriarchal beliefs.

Ironically, one social aspect that completely differs from Evangelical/IFB fundies is that the Mormons view education as a priority. Michelle is basically an anomaly in this aspect... Mormons and Orthodox Jewish people consistently rank as some of the top earners in the country. Part of it, I believe, is because Mormons are very strict on "rules" vs. faith alone in Jesus and emphasize obeying the commandments. There is a lot of fear if you do not obey.

 Additionally, BYU (Brigham Young University AKA Mormon World) is world-renowned for it's medical school, dental school, residencies, and fellowships within the hospital... Strangely, I find many dentists around here to be of the LDS faith and I am not in the western part of the US at all.

Edited March 1, 2019 by luv2laugh

[Hashtag Blessed]

@ViolaSebastian I agree 100% that Rod is also a garbage person. I had sympathy for him at first, but he's enabling this shit at best, exacerbating it at worst. 

And YES! Why does she not find new places to go for services locally? Why is she seemingly driving 3+ hours away for everything?? That is so bizarre to me and makes zero sense. I get that transitioning after a move is hard but it's absolutely idiotic to drive 3 hours away for a haircut. There's either some weird reason why they continue to go that far for services that she's not saying, or she's completely cuckoo bananas. Maybe both... Like, I'm thinking maybe they're part of some barter system and they're getting some of these services on trade? But why would she not just say that? So weird. 

[JermajestyDuggar]

Why is she driving for hours to get haircuts and go to well check dr appointments?! Where does she fucking live? In the most remote part of Utah possible?

[ViolaSebastian]

2 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Why is she driving for hours to get haircuts and go to well check dr appointments?! Where does she fucking live? In the most remote part of Utah possible?

I shit you not, she's in Las Vegas. Heaven knows, there are no doctors or barbershops in the tiny town of Las Vegas Fucking Nevada. 

[Soulhuntress]

6 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Why is she driving for hours to get haircuts and go to well check dr appointments?! Where does she fucking live? In the most remote part of Utah possible?

Vegas.  She honest to God drives through the mountains for her "doctor" who i am guessing is a wooster and a dentist who gives her a family discount.  SMDH

[anjulibai]

Looked up Thomas Jefferson Education - it's not a curriculum, it's a philosophy of education. It's focused on reading the Classics and developing the ability to self-learn. It isn't focused on specific content (other than the classics), as it is focused developing morally through education. The student develops their own interests through various avenues, and moral teachings come from learning to be responsible, accountable, etc. There's an emphasis on phases of development, similar to known cognitive models, but focus on morality and accountability. 

I imagine in such a philosophy the parent has to do A LOT of work to help the student develop their interests to the point of being able to self-learn. They're is also an emphasis on mentorship, and it doesn't seem that's with parents, so that's something the parents must have to find.

There's no way this woman has the wherewithal to implement such an educational philosophy. She'd need to be pushing the kids quite a bit, and definitely making sure they'd mastered reading before they were able to develop the ability self-learn. Reading is not an easy thing to do. The human mind has not evolved to do it. Some people are able to teach themselves to read, but that's rare, as the skills necessary to read can be impacted by a host of cognitive.... shall we say hiccups. 

If she was expecting her kids to figure out how to take charge of their own learning from the very beginning of their education, then it makes total sense that her kids are suffering academically. 

[luv2laugh]

DANG IT! I make a late night dinner and miss her GOING LIVE! It says she live streamed this an hour and a half ago.

ONCE AGAIN, she says "It was fun! It's so crazy after I give birth and do that, I'm like 'I want to have another baby!' and my husband says 'That's fine I don't mind!'" Honestly, I'm starting to think they are both living in a delusional state of mind.


ARE YOU SERIOUS? You were on PUBLIC TELEVISION with your children begging you to STOP having babies and take care of the ones you have and you continue to BOAST about wanting more???? WAKE UP MICHELLE. You have a MAJOR responsibility. You still have 8 MINORS at home (that you've neglected emotionally and education-wise) along with a baby with serious special needs. Grow up!!!! 

"It's easier for me to lose weight while pregnant!"

Her videos are all about her... She literally just had baby number 13 with special needs days ago and not even a full week later, is trying to play YouTube Make-Up Guru...

Does anyone else notice that in ALL of her videos, that when she's not talking about something regarding only herself, e.g. MY pregnancy, MY birth, etc., she only discusses the baby and not any of her other children???? Also, she is alarmingly uninterested in learning about Down Syndrome.

 

Edited March 1, 2019 by luv2laugh

[kesmom]

I’m not surprised she went the TJE route for a while and the result was undereducated children.

I’ve only watched the first response video to the Dr Phil episode. She is nuts. The detachment from the adult children stood out to me too. 

[anjulibai]

Man, she's got the crazy eyes in that last video, @luv2laugh.