Josiah and Lauren 12: Usual Duggar Social Media and Drift

[Maggie Mae]

2 hours ago, Four is Enough said:

I guess I'm just used to clothing that can stay on for all of my activities of daily living.

You must live in the south or somewhere you never need a coat. Do you wear a coat when you go out eat and the building is still chilly? 

 

 

2 hours ago, Four is Enough said:

So I'm just going to come out and say it. I think that blanket is hiding a bump..

That's not wear "bumps" are supposed to be. 

 

2 hours ago, Four is Enough said:

Furthermore, Joy's been wearing her glasses again, so I think there might be an announcement there soon, too.

And well, Jessa's wearing concealing clothing..

They are wearing trendy modern modest clothing. 

[BachelorToTheRapture]

23 minutes ago, caitrona said:

I'm more inclined to put Joy's glasses wearing down to Gideon not sleeping well & avoiding the torture that is trying to put contacts in then. 

Before my corrective surgery there would be times where for months contacts would irritate the hell out of my eyes for no apparent reason. Seasonal dry eye, wore one too long, lack of sleep, not enough time with the baby, not important to austin/ he thinks she looks better in glasses are all reasons that seem more likely to me than pregnancy. 

*I'm not saying she's not pregnant, I would not be surprised if she had a baby well before the recommended time frame with how fundy she seems to be and I could see her and Austin not being too strict with NFP. I could also see her waiting because her sister mom did...

[Georgiana]

Honestly, I think the baggy clothes are more along the lines of them just being human.  It is a LOT of work to keep your body in a place where you are camera ready.  It's a lot of work for actors and actresses, who at least can prioritize it, and it's even MORE work for women who are expected to put having babies first.  

What we see for a lot of these women is that they clearly put a lot of effort into looking good for their wedding specials, as many brides do, and then ease up a little bit after...returning to a weight their bodies are a bit more comfortable with.  Very normal.  But for most people, the weight that their BODIES feel comfortable with is not the weight that the CAMERA feels comfortable with.  

It's a lot of work.  It's a lot of pressure.  And it's totally normal to choose to wear more loose-fitting clothing when you're not looking to show off your body for the camera for whatever reason.  For the women marrying into the Duggar borg, it may just be they need time to adjust to being comfortable with their lives being filmed from time to time.  For the Duggar daughters, it may just be these clothes are what they've found themselves to be more comfortable filming in.  Who knows.

But I think A LOT of us would choose outfits like theirs if we knew we would be filmed for TV at the wedding.  Not because we are pregnant, not because we have anything necessarily to conceal normally, but just because this is for national TV, and we'd rather just cover it all up than open our bodies up to criticism.  

[HerNameIsBuffy]

2 hours ago, Four is Enough said:

I guess I'm just used to clothing that can stay on for all of my activities of daily living.

I do remember having some difficulty with those deep cowl necklines in the 80s...

 

So I'm just going to come out and say it. I think that blanket is hiding a bump..

Furthermore, Joy's been wearing her glasses again, so I think there might be an announcement there soon, too.

And well, Jessa's wearing concealing clothing..

They're waiting until three or more of them can announce at once..

A scarf, glasses, and a cardigan mean pregnancy?  I don't get it.

If they walked around naked with the words "empty uterus" written in sharpie on their abdomens someone would see that as a sign of pregnancy.

 

[church_of_dog]

On 11/9/2018 at 9:52 PM, HurricaneBells said:

My puppy Bear is a garbage disposal lol. Eats all kind of strange things but after all the things we have let him try, olives were the deal breaker. He tried to eat one, went in his mouth 3 times but in the end he was like yeah NOPE!

I've seen dogs do that with grapes as well.  I think the problem is the round shape:  "is it food, or is it a ball?"  "Toy, or treat?"  

 

[LilMissMetaphor]

4 hours ago, Four is Enough said:

 

So I'm just going to come out and say it. I think that blanket is hiding a bump..

 

Please don't come out and say it.  Please stay in and don't say it...

[Markie]

Wonder why Josiah and Lauren did not post any pics or congrats videos for John and Abbie’s wedding? Perhaps they made a commitment to stay off Social Media for a bit of time. Their last post was October 31.

[JillyO]

4 hours ago, church_of_dog said:

I've seen dogs do that with grapes as well.  I think the problem is the round shape:  "is it food, or is it a ball?"  "Toy, or treat?"  

Well, it's a good thing those dogs didn't eat the grapes. Grapes (including raisins) are toxic for dogs, so dogs should never have access to them.

[Daisy0322]

19 hours ago, BachelorToTheRapture said:

*I'm not saying she's not pregnant, I would not be surprised if she had a baby well before the recommended time frame with how fundy she seems to be and I could see her and Austin not being too strict with NFP. I could also see her waiting because her sister mom did...

What is the recommended time frame? My OB told me after my CSection that if I was okay with another CSection then I could wait 9 months or if I wanted to try for a VBAC then wait a year. Is it the same for everyone or is it circumstantial? Anyone know?

[SassyPantswithASideofClass]

46 minutes ago, Daisy0322 said:

What is the recommended time frame? My OB told me after my CSection that if I was okay with another CSection then I could wait 9 months or if I wanted to try for a VBAC then wait a year. Is it the same for everyone or is it circumstantial? Anyone know?

Hmmm. When munchkin was born, I was told to wait at least a year before attempting to try for another baby.. I have also heard wait 15 months, 24 months, etc.. I think it depends? Also correct me if I am wrong, I have heard the risk goes up if you have continuous C-sections?

[Four is Enough]

20 hours ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

A scarf, glasses, and a cardigan mean pregnancy?  I don't get it.

If they walked around naked with the words "empty uterus" written in sharpie on their abdomens someone would see that as a sign of pregnancy.

 

I was trying to be funny. Clearly, it fell flat. It was kind of  a snarky comment. I remember Joy wore her glasses almost from the first when she was pregnant. Wasn't thinking about how tiring it is to have an infant around.

 

And I saw a flap and the trailing ends of Lauren's scarf as "camoflauge"

And Jessa's cardigan? Just snark.

Still wouldn't put it past the Duggars to try to stage a multiple pregnancy announcement....

20 hours ago, Maggie Mae said:

You must live in the south or somewhere you never need a coat. Do you wear a coat when you go out eat and the building is still chilly? 

I live in the Mid Atlantic states, and yes, I will eat with my coat on if it's too cold at a restaurant. I have a tremor already. No need to add shivering to that...

[Daisy0322]

1 hour ago, SassyPantswithASideofClass said:

Hmmm. When munchkin was born, I was told to wait at least a year before attempting to try for another baby.. I have also heard wait 15 months, 24 months, etc.. I think it depends? Also correct me if I am wrong, I have heard the risk goes up if you have continuous C-sections?

I've been told the risks start going up at 4 or 5 c sections. I'm sure it depends a lot in how you heal though. I know my sil got pregnant 2 months post c section and had a lot of issues while carrying to term. I'm not sure how that impacts it in the future but I do know her OB was not happy about the back to back pregnancies 

[singsingsing]

8 minutes ago, Daisy0322 said:

I've been told the risks start going up at 4 or 5 c sections. I'm sure it depends a lot in how you heal though. I know my sil got pregnant 2 months post c section and had a lot of issues while carrying to term. I'm not sure how that impacts it in the future but I do know her OB was not happy about the back to back pregnancies 

It depends on the woman. My mum had two C-sections 27 months apart and the doctor told her that she should probably not have anymore kids after that because she'd be very high risk (I think her C-section scar was thin). Obviously part of it was also that she had two emergency C-sections.

[VelociRapture]

3 hours ago, Daisy0322 said:

What is the recommended time frame? My OB told me after my CSection that if I was okay with another CSection then I could wait 9 months or if I wanted to try for a VBAC then wait a year. Is it the same for everyone or is it circumstantial? Anyone know?

Here’s what I’ve been told:

- My OBGYN told me to wait 18 months before trying for a second baby. That was mostly because I had an unexplained premature birth, a miscarriage prior to that, and my Thyroid was being monitored for Hypothyroidism. She wanted to proceed cautiously and I’m really glad she did because now I’ll have peace of mind knowing I did everything I could to have a good outcome next time. 

- The specialist I spoke with at the hospital this past spring (an appointment that was recommended by my OBGYN) said he would recommend only a 12 month wait because I had had a normal vaginal birth, I had healed well, and he felt any additional risk factors wouldn’t cause more than a very minor increase in risk for another loss or premature birth. The 12 months is recommended to give your body time to heal and replenish the vitamins depleted from the previous pregnancy. 

- The time frame I’ve seen recommended specifically for c-sections is 18 months (from birth of the first child to conception of the second.) I guess the 18 months gives most women who have had c-sections enough time to heal properly because it is pretty major surgery. 

So in my personal experience recommendations can vary a bit based off who you speak with and whether you have known risk factors. 

ETA: I forgot what my Endocrinologist recommended! When I first met her in late March she said I was to try to avoid pregnancy until my Hypothyroidism was controlled and she gave me the ok to start trying. Uncontrolled Hypothyroidism can have a number of effects on mother and unborn child, and the severity can vary. Having my medical history meant it was very important for us to take her advice seriously. We didn’t get the ok until late September, when our daughter was almost 22 months old. 

[TZmom]

I had three c-sections basically back-to-back. 20 months between the first two and 19 months between the second and third. My OB never brought up a time frame to me, so I didn't worry about it at the time, but now I wonder if I was just really lucky that things didn't go horrible wrong.
My mom has an old high school friend who is now a fundamentalist Catholic (is that a thing? I'm only familiar with the Duggar version of fundamentalism). She has had TEN c-sections. I don't know the spacing between them, but I don't think it was long. I can't even imagine.

[Daisy0322]

53 minutes ago, VelociRapture said:

 

So in my personal experience recommendations can vary a bit based off who you speak with and whether you have known risk factors. 

That very true I just did my preconception appointment and she told me she was surprised that I even worried about spacing at this point (my son is 15 months) but other than a placental abruption with no cause (very low risk of happening again) I had a textbook pregnancy. Which sucked because I was in bed rest 19 weeks lol and I felt great.  She typically pretty conservative on her practices too. Who knows

[kmachete14]

2 hours ago, TZmom said:

My mom has an old high school friend who is now a fundamentalist Catholic (is that a thing? I'm only familiar with the Duggar version of fundamentalism). She has had TEN c-sections. I don't know the spacing between them, but I don't think it was long. I can't even imagine.

LOL. 

technically ALL Catholics should be "fundamentalist Catholics" as the idea that birth control is evil, marital sex is good, marriage is a vocation is pretty essential to everything Catholic. Alas, there are a lot of "culture Catholics" who grew up Catholic and just like belonging to a church and hearing the priest give a message. The priests "forget" to teach the important parts of Catholicism bc they know it would send their congregation running if they enforced them. 

[formergothardite]

6 minutes ago, kmachete14 said:

The priests "forget" to teach the important parts of Catholicism bc they know it would send their congregation running if they enforced them. 

Maybe we can hope they church is learning that birth control is evil is a pretty silly stance to have and even more ridiculous to enforce. Yeah, people should run if their religion tries to crawl up into their uterus, that is a big red flag. 

 

[ViolaSebastian]

Wait, is wearing your glasses now a pregnancy symptom???

GUYS. I have some very special news!

Spoiler

I need to buy more contacts.

 

[Mama Mia]

It was a million years ago, but I think the only time I got any specific warnings  on waiting between pregnancies were with two that weren’t c-sections.One because I tore to hell and was told I should wait six months to heal ( no problem! )

Then I had a loss at 4 months where I almost bled to death , and was told to wait a year, to get my strength , iron etc up. 

With the c-sections , as far as I recall my Dr. didn’t say anything except wait 8 weeks before having sex, and ask me what I planned for birth control. Maybe if I’d said I was planning on leaving it up to God, he would of said something about waiting to have time to heal? Maybe not. 

 

 

 

 

[mollysmom]

3 hours ago, TZmom said:

I had three c-sections basically back-to-back. 20 months between the first two and 19 months between the second and third. My OB never brought up a time frame to me, so I didn't worry about it at the time, but now I wonder if I was just really lucky that things didn't go horrible wrong.
My mom has an old high school friend who is now a fundamentalist Catholic (is that a thing? I'm only familiar with the Duggar version of fundamentalism). She has had TEN c-sections. I don't know the spacing between them, but I don't think it was long. I can't even imagine.

WOW!!!! Honestly, my whole life I thought you were only allowed to have 3 c-sections then you "had" to be done having kids! I don't know what/who made me think that but until reading this thread I had no idea!! Wow!!

[Rachel333]

1 hour ago, mollysmom said:

WOW!!!! Honestly, my whole life I thought you were only allowed to have 3 c-sections then you "had" to be done having kids! I don't know what/who made me think that but until reading this thread I had no idea!! Wow!!

Well they can't forcibly sterilize you and while doctors can choose to stop seeing someone as a regular patient for ignoring medical advice (though it can be kind of complicated to fire patients sometimes depending on the circumstances) they can't turn away someone in an emergency, so there's nothing really stopping someone except their own body.

[kmachete14]

2 hours ago, formergothardite said:

Maybe we can hope they church is learning that birth control is evil is a pretty silly stance to have and even more ridiculous to enforce. Yeah, people should run if their religion tries to crawl up into their uterus, that is a big red flag. 

 

Well yeah, but the Church won't change. 

You can't be married if you can't consummate a marriage with P in V sex. 

You can't have sex if you aren't open to life, which begins at conception, because God made sex for reproduction and for pleasure, and never the two shall be split. 

For this reason, using birth control is as bad to the Catholic Church as having gay sex. Both are scenarios where pleasure occurs, but not a chance at reproduction. Same thing for having oral sex where the man orgasms outside the vagina. Pope John Paul II so kindly cleared up that female oral sex is okay during the general act of sex as long as everything ends with a P in V orgasm. 

A lot of Catholics do not realize this connection. 

The sacrament of marriage, the belief that all sex must be open to life, and the Theology of the Body aren't things the church will "learn" are silly. They will stick by them because to get rid of those beliefs would mean dismantling layers and layers, years upon years, of Catholic theology. It would destroy the Church. 

The biggest hope for the Catholic Church is that its followers leave it (for whatever their reasons) and it stops spreading its message to impoverished nations. 

FYI, I grew up Catholic, I am not hating on Catholics who choose to stick with such a deeply flawed church in hopes that something changes, I am just pointing out things

 

 

[Iamtheway]

14 minutes ago, kmachete14 said:

Pope John Paul II so kindly cleared up that female oral sex is okay

[BernRul]

4 hours ago, kmachete14 said:

LOL. 

technically ALL Catholics should be "fundamentalist Catholics" as the idea that birth control is evil, marital sex is good, marriage is a vocation is pretty essential to everything Catholic. Alas, there are a lot of "culture Catholics" who grew up Catholic and just like belonging to a church and hearing the priest give a message. The priests "forget" to teach the important parts of Catholicism bc they know it would send their congregation running if they enforced them. 

From my understanding, that's not what cultural Catholics are. Cultural Catholics still identify as Catholic, and may attend church on holidays such as Christmas and Easter or participate in Catholic ceremonies such as weddings, but they are not religious and might even be atheist. It's similar to being culturally Jewish, in that the religious identity is often tied to ethnicity, and that Catholics used to face discrimination in America so it still distinguishes us in a way. 

What you're describing just seems par for the course for Catholics. That's why I think there is a strong difference between fundie Catholics and most Catholics: because most Catholics don't follow every single thing the Church teaches. Something like 95% of Catholics  disagree with the church's stance on birth control. My aunt, who is so Catholic that she attends daily mass, made her husband get a vasectomy. I personally believe that Catholicism is about more than the Vatican; it's the nuns and brothers, local parish priests, and the lay people that really define what it means to be Catholic. Some of them do a great job (through charity and corporal works of mercy) while others make me want to pull my hair out (like the ones who only vote for pro-life candidates). 

Yeah, there are very fundie, extremist Catholics out there, but I feel like most Catholics (the religious ones, not cultural ones) are more open minded compared to evangelical fundementalists. They don't believe everything the priests say, don't conisder the Bible to be literal, believe in science, take some liberal positions (the Church is against the death penalty, the use of torture, most wars, and is usally pro-poor). The Church is a mess, but most Catholics know that they can question authority/disagree on some issues without going to hell. 

My elementary school principal was a nun. My friend's mom tried to get Harry Potter books banned (to my horror) and the nun said calmly, to the woman's face, "You can't keep your children in a bubble." That's one of the most un-fundie statements I've ever heard.