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[TheJewAmongUs]

I only found one source about the actual crime, so I didn't want to post it. But the actual crime on his conviction and the age he was at the time indicates that the girl was younger than 15.

[NachosFlandersStyle]

6 minutes ago, AliceInFundyland said:

On the off chance that his conviction could encompass one of those grey areas - Like an 18 year old sleeping with 15 year old and family freaks out. Guy ends up registering.

He was 20 and the girl was 13: https://www.wthr.com/article/westfield-man-arrested-for-child-molesting

[AliceInFundyland]

16 minutes ago, NachosFlandersStyle said:

He was 20 and the girl was 13: https://www.wthr.com/article/westfield-man-arrested-for-child-molesting

That's definitely not grey.

Not a lick of jail time either. He got 1005 days, commuted to 90 work release, 180 home release, 3 yrs probation.

Ew.

[usedbicycle]

Let me guess - he got caught in a pedophile act then found Jesus and started attending church. As someone else mentioned, 90% of his facebook friends look like young teenage girls. Giant red flag!! The other 10% is the Richardson clan and a just a handful of dudes. This guy is a total scrub. A convicted pedophile that doesn't have much going on in his professional life either.

Seems like Susannah rushed into a relationship with the first guy who showed her attention. Run, girl, run!

[JermajestyDuggar]

5 minutes ago, usedbicycle said:

Let me guess - he got caught in a pedophile act then found Jesus and started attending church. As someone else mentioned, 90% of his facebook friends look like young teenage girls. Giant red flag!! The other 10% is the Richardson clan and a just a handful of dudes. This guy is a total scrub. A convicted pedophile that doesn't have much going on in his professional life either.

Seems like Susannah rushed into a relationship with the first guy who showed her attention. Run, girl, run!

Even though the Richsrdson girls all seem to be smart, hard working, decent human beings, they were fairly sheltered growing up. Maybe not as sheltered as other fundies. But they were sheltered to an extent. I would imagine that means they are more likely to miss all the red flags. I have lived in the real world and I’ve been hurt by many people in my life and it means I am always on the look out for red flags. I’m probably hyper vigilent compared to most people. But it takes a lot for me to trust someone. Being sheltered means you won’t see the things that most other people will easily see. I am holding out hope that she will eventually see this guy for who he is and cut him off.

[TheJewAmongUs]

28 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Even though the Richsrdson girls all seem to be smart, hard working, decent human beings, they were fairly sheltered growing up. Maybe not as sheltered as other fundies. But they were sheltered to an extent. I would imagine that means they are more likely to miss all the red flags. I have lived in the real world and I’ve been hurt by many people in my life and it means I am always on the look out for red flags. I’m probably hyper vigilent compared to most people. But it takes a lot for me to trust someone. Being sheltered means you won’t see the things that most other people will easily see. I am holding out hope that she will eventually see this guy for who he is and cut him off.

I just posted something similar in the other thread, but I'll agree here too. They were sheltered and infantilized for a long time. Jessica and Susannah in particular seem to have terrible filters for what is and isn't appropriate to post on social media. It doesn't surprise me that they one or both of them may not be a good judge of a person or stop to do something basic like Google them.

[freejugar]

I really wish them well as they venture out into the world, they're such good people, altough a bit sheltered and naive.

It sucks that she ran into this piece of shit, I hope this ends as soon as possible. Maybe she just didn't know?

[Tatar-tot]

Do her parents know???

[fundiefan]

As a whole, fundies rant about gay people and trans people being pedophiles. Criminals. Sex fiends, 

But, they seem to hook up with more actual sex offenders than the average gay/trans or even non-fundie straight person.

I know there's more but right now, there is Tabitha Paine & her sex offender husband, Steven Sitler, Disharoon - he who led to the FJ rapture many years ago, and now this guy. 

I know young kids live and learn and all that - but sexual offense is not your average young kid, growing up, making mistakes kind of crime. They didn't steal a candy bar or even cigarettes. They sexually abused another human being. 

I find it honestly appalling. 

[Hane]

I fear that fundies’ forgiveness of sex offenders comes from their doctrine that “all sin is created equal” (from stealing a candy bar to child rape) and the one that teaches “confession=automatic forgiveness/“get-out-of-hell-free” card. The focus isn’t where it belongs—on the victim.

[TheJewAmongUs]

11 hours ago, Tatar-tot said:

Do her parents know???

Probably not. The father doesn't seem to have any social media. And the mother comes off as fairly immature and simplistic in her posts. They are the ones who treated them like babies forever. The boys are 13 and 15 and they still play with a toddler's plastic farm set.

His Facebook profile was removed. Probably because they don't allow sex offenders to use their site. Maybe someone in the family will question why it was removed.

[socalrules]

It is possible she didn’t know he had a criminal record and, if she did, that it was for this type of offense. Maybe she didn’t know it was sexual in nature or maybe he convinced her it was something such as he kissed a girl he thought was 20 but was really 15.

I always wondered how you approach someone you are dating and just explain you are a sex offender. Do you do it right away and know they might leave or wait until they have fallen for you and spring it on them? Personally, I google the hell out of anyone I date Because I have no intention of dating a sex offender. I always figured most people say nothing until caught. 

[PlentyOfJesusFishInTheSea]

Ugh, anyone want to place bets on:

- "He was drunk and the 13-year-old lied, saying she was 18."

or

- "He's really turned his life around. Jesus forgives all!"

Or heck, even both.

[DarkAnts]

Jessica posted a picture on Instagram today of her and some of her classmates in their uniforms. She is wearing pants in the picture. I sometimes thinks that she wears her old outfits in part as an effort to save money. Becoming a commercial pilot is expensive and time consuming. I think she has put all of her money into this dream. She has worked so hard to get here. She has gotten some help financially for training and flight time. That help only offset a small amount of her total cost.

I love seeing pictures of her and her classmates getting dinner a few times a week. They need time to relax and enjoy themselves.

Edited January 24, 2020 by DarkAnts
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[JermajestyDuggar]

She’s still wearing her head covering with her pilot uniform so she may still prefer that way of dress. She and Leah are the oldest. It doesn’t surprise me that they are still wearing the frumpers and head coverings. 

[Eponine]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Susannah has never Googled this guy or looked into his past. They are sheltered and it's very possible they simply wouldn't think to look into the background of someone who seems like a "nice and normal" Christian.

That said, if it's pretty out in the open I would hope someone around her would happen across it and say something to her.

[seraaa]

On 1/20/2020 at 3:12 PM, usedbicycle said:

Let me guess - he got caught in a pedophile act then found Jesus and started attending church. As someone else mentioned, 90% of his facebook friends look like young teenage girls. Giant red flag!! The other 10% is the Richardson clan and a just a handful of dudes. This guy is a total scrub. A convicted pedophile that doesn't have much going on in his professional life either.

Seems like Susannah rushed into a relationship with the first guy who showed her attention. Run, girl, run!

Yes. People can obviously regret their actions and change, but that fact would make me wary.

Get you a man who doesn't need "saving", so to speak, Susannah. 

10 hours ago, DarkAnts said:

Jessica posted a picture on Instagram today of her and some of her classmates in their uniforms. She is wearing pants in the picture. I sometimes thinks that she wears her old outfits in part as an effort to save money. Becoming a commercial pilot is expensive and time consuming. I think she has put all of her money into this dream. She has worked so hard to get here. She has gotten some help financially for training and flight time. That help only offset a small amount of her total cost.

I love seeing pictures of her and her classmates getting dinner a few times a week. They need time to relax and enjoy themselves.

I love watching people achieve their dreams. It's all looking very real now!

Edited January 24, 2020 by seraaa

[NachosFlandersStyle]

22 minutes ago, seraaa said:

Yes. People can obviously regret their actions and change, but that fact would make me wary.

I'm generally of the opinion that just because someone is a POS at 20 doesn't mean they're bad for life... but it is a pretty major risk factor. Determining whether someone has had a sincere change of heart since their felony sex abuse charge! calls for some pretty advanced judgment. It's not something you should be worrying about during your very first romantic relationship.

[nokidsmom]

1 hour ago, NachosFlandersStyle said:

Determining whether someone has had a sincere change of heart since their felony sex abuse charge! calls for some pretty advanced judgment.

Agree and it may take a very long time to determine.   While it's nice to think people can change and some can, one has to do some serious soul searching to decide what they can live with and are they willing to go the distance to see if there's really been a change of heart.  Something like sex abuse charges in a romantic partner's past you are talking about something that has serious potential ramifications to your own relationship.  It's not like he robbed a bank.    Someone like Susannah is too sheltered (and too fundie) to really make that kind of assessment.  

Many years ago I learned that my ex-fiance engaged in behavior that today in 2020 would have earned him sex abuse charges.  It was prior to our relationship and I not know about it until after our relationship ended.    When he wanted to get back together, I was like "hell, no!" while everyone around me was taking the stance of "forgiveness" and "we all sin" completely dismissing how much it bothered me.  I should give him a chance because Jesus.    I was of the opinion that it was my determination if I could live with something like this and see if he had changed.  I couldn't and didn't want to, end of story.   It was not about forgiveness, it was about what I could live with.  I fear Susannah is so steeped in her fundie ideas that she's not able to determine if she truly can live with this.  

Edited January 24, 2020 by nokidsmom

[Paperplate]

On 1/24/2020 at 6:02 AM, DarkAnts said:

Jessica posted a picture on Instagram today of her and some of her classmates in their uniforms. She is wearing pants in the picture. [...]

I was really surprised to see her in pants as (apart from her interviewing outfit) she still seemed to be frumpers-only. Good for her for apparently realising that wearing pants is totally fine.

 

about Susannah's boyfriend! I didn't even know she was seeing anyone until her Insta post with him. 

[Aine]

On 1/21/2020 at 3:00 PM, socalrules said:

I always wondered how you approach someone you are dating and just explain you are a sex offender. Do you do it right away and know they might leave or wait until they have fallen for you and spring it on them? Personally, I google the hell out of anyone I date Because I have no intention of dating a sex offender. I always figured most people say nothing until caught. 

I would figure that if your presence on the sex offender registry is for a reason that isn't completely evil, such as 'statutory rape' while in a consensual relationship and a small age gap and the family is lashing out or being charged during public urination with indecent exposure or public lewdness*, you'd have some motivation to be up-front with someone you were dating and you were really interested in. If you can be honest about it without scaring all potential partners off, I imagine you'd do so.

The only motivation for not telling them up front is if you can't bull shit your way out of it in the early days of a relationship. Seeing as sexual abuse/assault is usually about power, I'd guess a lot of offenders hope they'll have 'power' in the relationship the longer it continues to emotionally manipulate the partner or lie and be believed the later the partner finds out about it.  

I also check the criminal records/sex offender registries for people I date. This dude is a straight up creep. There is no excuse for a 20-year-old having sex with a 13-year-old and because it happened in a park, I'm guessing he knew anyone living with him or her would not approve of his actions.

* In 12 or 13 states, public urination can be charged as indecent exposure or public lewdness. Public urination is illegal in all 50 states but most write a ticket with a fine or it's a misdemeanor. Indecent exposure and public lewdness will both mean registering as a sex offender. I don't know how common it is, but my friend in college got caught twice in a month in her freshman year peeing behind plants in garden beds while extremely intoxicated, and on her second time she got charged with public lewdness even though you could not see her from the path going by at all (she was at least 10-15 feet off the path and behind tall shrubbery) and the cop had to squeeze past the plants to even see why she was back there. She wanted to be a nurse so had to hire a lawyer to try and get her off the charges. She ended up having to do a good amount of community service and had to attend AA (she wasn't an alcoholic, just an 18 year old who didn't know her drinking limits yet) and classes on reducing her alcohol use, and then the charges were expunged.

She is now a nurse and the whole experience very much turned her off drinking to excess.

[NachosFlandersStyle]

1 hour ago, Aine said:

Indecent exposure and public lewdness will both mean registering as a sex offender. I don't know how common it is

Sort of tangential to your comment, but AFAIK, it's not nearly as common as the public discourse on sex offender registries would lead you to believe. A while ago my local paper did a big feature on an area group that advocates for reforms to sex offender law. Every single one of these people had a spiel prepared for the reporter about how people  are languishing on the registry for things as minor as public urination, and every time the reporter would say "oh, is that what happened to you/your family member?" And they would all reply "oh no, I was charged for child porn" or something similar.

I think there are good arguments to be made that we can't have a permanent leper class and that once someone has served their time, they should have the opportunity to live a normal life. But the common perception that thousands of people are being accidentally charged with sex crimes isn't really helpful.

[hollyfeller]

I noticed that she removed the photo from her FB page, and also made her IG private since yesterday.  Maybe she didn't know about his past.

[singsingsing]

To me, doing something problematic when you were younger, and regretting it and reforming your ways would be like, 'I got arrested for public intoxication three times', 'I was knowingly the 'other person' in a relationship', or 'I bullied someone in grade school.' Not, 'I had sex with a 13-year-old when I was 20.' I don't know, I don't think there's really any coming back from that one.

[lilah]

On 1/20/2020 at 5:34 PM, Hane said:

I fear that fundies’ forgiveness of sex offenders comes from their doctrine that “all sin is created equal” (from stealing a candy bar to child rape) and the one that teaches “confession=automatic forgiveness/“get-out-of-hell-free” card. The focus isn’t where it belongs—on the victim.

I read this great book called "What is a Girl worth" by Rachael  Denhollander who was the first Larry Nassar survivor  to come forward and publicly accuse him. She also talks about surviving abuse in her church and how her experience with Christianity is that Christians tend to gloss over the pain and suffering over the abuse victims. She has become a very outspoken advocate for survivors in church and many pastors will enable abusers in the name of forgiveness and at the expense of survivors..