Josh Harris Announced "I Kissed Dating Goodbye" Was Discontinued

[JermajestyDuggar]

I have a magnetic felt board. I know you’re all jealous

[Petronella]

15 hours ago, Hane said:

@thoughtful, we had felt boards in first grade back in the Pleistocene (though not in religious ed—I was an Ebil Catholic). I remember it because the teacher cut out a felt apostrophe so I could form the plural of my name.

Do you mean possessive? Because apostrophes don’t make plurals.

[danvillebelle]

16 hours ago, refugee said:

When we were homeschooling in the 90s and 00s, I remember a vendor at the curriculum fair who sold flannelgraphs. Not just bible stories, either. Dinosaurs. Mammals. Ocean life. Anatomy (picture flannel organs and  skeletal parts, maybe muscle groups?, that you’d stick to a flannel body outline).

The pieces came printed on a large piece of flannel, so the buyer had to cut out the pieces before using the set.

::::raises hand::::: I bought one of those for my boys when they were wee ones.  At the homeschool convention, no less.

My only enduring memory is a sore right hand from carefully cutting out ALL. THOSE. ANIMALS.  

[Hane]

8 hours ago, Petronella said:

Do you mean possessive? Because apostrophes don’t make plurals.

OMG, @Petronella! I did indeed mean “possessive”! One of the things I hate the MOST in the world is the misuse of apostrophes to form plurals! I have punctuation OCD, so I humbly apologize to one and all!

On 8/10/2019 at 4:13 PM, formergothardite said:

Here is the ridiculous I'm in the Lord's Army  song for those who didn't grow up singing this. 

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If I were a butterfly.

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That dopey “Lord’s Army” song gave me a flashback to the early ‘80s! A coworker started singing it to show us the “cute” thing her daughter learned in Sunday school, but sang it so badly I had no idea it was sung to the tune of “The Old Gray Mare”!

[TheWayTheWorldWorks]

My daughter havd two flat tin boxes that when closed were about 8 inches square and about 1/2 deep. When opened, there were two scenes inside that she could arrange Dora magnets in the scenes. She also had a Disney princess version. Those things kept her busy for hours of her childhood!

[onemama]

On 8/11/2019 at 9:51 PM, WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo? said:

All this reminds me of a recent user of flannelgraph.

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She's one of the regular characters in the video series "What's in the Bible?". It's made by one of the creators of VeggieTales; my kids got volumes 1 and 2 as presents. 

 

Upon watching that series, my daughter declared that I look just like her... 

[Howl]

So, Josh has popped up on HuffPo, of all places, claiming that he has "excommunicated" himself from the religion that propelled him to fame.

He was on Axios HBO.   And this: 

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Harris, who renounced his Christianity earlier this year, told “Axios on HBO” that he ruined lives and marriages while he served as one of the country’s most well-known evangelical pastors.

Is this what he was saying earlier, or does he seem to be taking more responsibility for the damage caused by IKDG?  

Anyway, full text here:  Former Evangelical Pastor Josh Harris Says He ‘Excommunicated’ Himself: Axios   The former megachurch leader and “I Kissed Dating Goodbye” author spoke with Axios in his first interview since renouncing Christianity earlier this year.

 

 

[47of74]

He also said the fundie love affair with fuck face is going to really really damage the church

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Former megachurch pastor and evangelical author Joshua Harris said in a recent interview that he believes some of the massive support President Trump has enjoyed from the evangelical community has been “incredibly damaging to the Gospel and to the church.”

Harris, an influential evangelical teacher and writer during the late 1990s and up until he announced he'd abandoned his faith earlier this year, added that having "a leader like Trump I think is in itself part of the indictment" of Christians.

Evangelicals have been staunch supporters of Trump since his 2016 election, with his job approval higher than average among white evangelical Christians throughout the three years of his presidency, according to Pew Research Center data. In a poll earlier this fall conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute, about 77 percent of evangelicals approve of the president’s job performance, compared to an average 43 percent in other polls. 

But Harris told Axios's Mike Allen that he's concerned about the end result of the church becoming "identified with President Trump." . 

 

[Howl]

Most/many Evangelicals have gone around the bend with Trump. I'd say in many instances, it exposes Evangelicals for who they truly are, and I'm not alone in this perspective. 

[hoipolloi]

I'd say in many instances, it exposes Evangelicals for who they truly are, and I'm not alone in this perspective. 

ITA, which is why I've quit using the term "fake Christian."

In the US, the talibangelicals kissing tRump's ass really ARE Christians. 

Glad my lifelong Methodist grandma (who read The Upper Room every day with her morning coffee) isn't around to see this.

 

[Jasmar]

Trump was the last straw for my identifying as an evangelical. Back at election time, when I still firmly considered myself part of that culture, I told my best friend (also evangelical) that if Trump won the nomination, I’d be voting for Clinton. My friend was aghast, not because she supported Trump (she didn’t), but because evangelicals just hated Hillary that much.

Just as an aside, her family did end up voting for Trump in the general election. It’s something I can’t even talk to her about, it upsets me so much.

[47of74]

ITA, which is why I've quite using the term "fake Christian."
In the US, the talibangelicals kissing tRump's ass really ARE Christians. 
Glad my lifelong Methodist grandma (who read The Upper Room every day with her morning coffee) isn't around to see this.

I’m glad my grandparents didn’t live long enough to see fuck head become President.

[Caroline]

On 8/12/2019 at 12:24 PM, Hane said:

OMG, @Petronella! I did indeed mean “possessive”! One of the things I hate the MOST in the world is the misuse of apostrophes to form plurals! I have punctuation OCD, so I humbly apologize to one and all!

That dopey “Lord’s Army” song gave me a flashback to the early ‘80s! A coworker started singing it to show us the “cute” thing her daughter learned in Sunday school, but sang it so badly I had no idea it was sung to the tune of “The Old Gray Mare”!

I notice she didn't thank Jesus for giving her a brain.....

[OhNoNike]

6 hours ago, Jasmar said:

Trump was the last straw for my identifying as an evangelical. Back at election time, when I still firmly considered myself part of that culture, I told my best friend (also evangelical) that if Trump won the nomination, I’d be voting for Clinton. My friend was aghast, not because she supported Trump (she didn’t), but because evangelicals just hated Hillary that much.

Just as an aside, her family did end up voting for Trump in the general election. It’s something I can’t even talk to her about, it upsets me so much.

I have to do self checks on myself so I am not being hypocritical here, but I really appreciate when someone who is firmly in a particular culture is strong enough to see through the bullshit. 

I’ve always hated 45, since before he was 45... and I voted Hillary not because I totally loved her but because of the options.  I didn’t hate her, either, she just wasn’t who I voted for in the primary. But I digress. I do have to self check to be sure I’m not loving it because your on “my side”.   I definitely had friends vote for other people in other elections and it never affected a friendship.  I know some people who voted for 45 and I still have trouble getting over that.  2016 was very confusing for me in many ways. 

[Walking Cat Bed]

I saw a meme on FB recently that compared voting to public transportation. You're probably not going to get exactly what you want, but your vote can get you much closer than you were and it can take several attempts.

As long as you're not trying to get from Chicago to LA by way of a horse drawn cart going to Biloxi...

[Howl]

Just came across this fun tweet

Here's a link to the conference: Parenting After Purity Culture

At Parenting After Purity Culture, you will gain a better understanding of:

• How to stop projecting your internalized sense of sexual shame onto your children.
• How to have the sex talk with your kids after you’ve grown up with such a wretched example.
• How to honor both you and your children’s sexuality.
• How to support porn literacy in your family.
• How to form a healthy sex ethic after purity culture.

For awhile I followed several bloggers who were adult women who had fundamentalist Christianity and were working their way through leaving patriarchy: Julie Anne and others.  

This seems like the next step, or a step in a different direction.  I have never heard of this author before so I'm going to noodle around on google and see what her story is.

Edited December 12, 2020 by Howl

[Howl]

This is the link to her web site: cindywangbrandt.com/

She has podcasts about detoxing masculinity and gentle parenting. 

Rachel Held Evans' blurb about Cindy Wang Brandt's book: 

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In Parenting Forward, the reader is treated to a robust yet accessible guide to breaking the cycle of authoritarian, fear-based parenting in favor of a paradigm that pursues and celebrates equality, autonomy, and fully embodied health and wholeness, “one tiny act of love at a time, and moving on to the next small, right thing.”

It has a bazillion glowing positive reviews (actually around 90) on Amazon, but this  one 1-star review from Mother's Day is every one of the fundamentalist mega mom, Lori Alexander, 14-kid types discussed on fj: 

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So rather than her honor the mothers of the world today, or swallow her false pride, or honor the mother who gave her life, or honor the spiritual mothers and mentors of this world, Ci day Brandt decides to promote her own book today.

I find her writings harsh, mean spirited, narrow minded in her all too politically correct kind of way.

Get over yourself, Cindy. And lighten up.

This person sounds...bitter. 

My sense is that Cindy W-B is still a practicing Christian, but I'm not sure. 

Edited December 12, 2020 by Howl

[Destiny]

I’m not familiar with the people involved but I think this is a good idea. I still struggle with some of the ingrained thought patterns from purity culture years later. Figuring out how not to propagate them without meaning to is difficult. I applaud this woman.

[SPHASH]

I wonder if Jillreck Dillard are going to this conference 

[usedbicycle]

On 12/13/2020 at 12:41 PM, SPHASH said:

I wonder if Jillreck Dillard are going to this conference 

Unless I missed something, they never disavowed purity culture. In their last Q&A they kept repeating that they were so happy they married as virgins. Maybe their attitude has shifted on kissing before marriage but that's about it.

[Giraffe]

On 12/13/2020 at 9:41 AM, SPHASH said:

I wonder if Jillreck Dillard are going to this conference 

I doubt it. How to Support Porn Literacy would be too much for them. They've come out against being quiverful and they've mentioned (or were sponsored by?) a sex toys but she also shared the "sex education" she's using for her kids and it was still something out of purity culture. She's made some decisions that are encouraging (public school and birth control) but they have a long way to go before I'd call them fundy light or expect they'd attend a conference where porn might* be represented as anything other than evil and sinful.

 

*I looked at the website but didn't see a more detailed description so I can only make assumptions of what's taught during it. 

Edited December 14, 2020 by Giraffe
adding the *

[Howl]

This Huffpo essay is from 2019 and I may have posted it upthread, but worth a reread on exactly how destructive purity culture and I Kissed Dating Goodbye were for vulnerable teenagers. 

Seems also relevant the tide of new Exvangelicals: 

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When I left the oppressive church of my childhood, I naively assumed that I could easily shed the principles of purity culture. The anxiety disorder that sprung up when I attempted to enter the dating world proved that, instead, they had been violently hammered into my psyche.

How An Evangelical Dating Guide And Purity Culture Gave Me An Anxiety Disorder  Although I haven’t read the book in decades, my body still harbors the trauma of its teachings.