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Oh yay more amateur dental work and medical care from Asshole and the Selfie King. Plus lots of pictures with cute brown children. I feel like that's halfway to a fundie bingo. It's just missing #jesuslovesthemall

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3 hours ago, Calypso said:

Oh yay more amateur dental work and medical care from Asshole and the Selfie King. Plus lots of pictures with cute brown children. I feel like that's halfway to a fundie bingo. It's just missing #jesuslovesthemall

At least he says there are really medical doctors and specialist there, so i hope they are the ones doing the most of the medical work (if they really exist because they are conveniently out of the picture), but still Lawson and Nathan are not educated to be even medical assistants. They definitely would not be allowed to do this tipe of work in the USA, so what makes they believe they are qualified to do it in another country.

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4 hours ago, llucie said:

They definitely would not be allowed to do this tipe of work in the USA, so what makes they believe they are qualified to do it in another country.

The people have brown skin and the Bates probably think that they should appreciate the White Saviors coming to help them. Lawson and Nathan want to get the "fun" of getting to brag about doing medical work without putting in any of the time and effort to become qualified. 

Anyone know what organization they are going with?

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It's a nice break from retweeting every crazy "save the babies!! oh and also immigrants are LITERALLY TERRORISTS and if we don't build a border wall they will KILL US" polemic he lays eyes on.

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3 minutes ago, HurricaneBells said:

At least they are doing something which is more than most can say.

We don't know what they are doing other than randomly posing with cute babies [possibly without asking permission of mom first]. If they are proselytizing and handing out tracts while there, I'm not giving them any points.  They may be helpful, or they may be in the way.

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Sometimes it is better to do nothing. Going to another country to practice medical stuff on children because you aren't qualified enough in your own country falls into that category.

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3 hours ago, HereticHick said:

We don't know what they are doing other than randomly posing with cute babies [possibly without asking permission of mom first]. If they are proselytizing and handing out tracts while there, I'm not giving them any points.  They may be helpful, or they may be in the way.

Well being in the way is something! LOL I didn't say they were saving the world or praise them in any way and it does not for one second mean they arent hateful little pricks but this isn't the only example of them doing something more than other fundie offspring, thats all. Whatever that something is. On re-reading what i wrote,  I should have said "which is more than most fundies are doing" though because I most certainly did not mean you fine folks at FJ!  Im not a leghumper, dont hate me! **sprints away**

@formergothardite i wouldn't want them performing medical procedures 100% and I hope i didnt imply that, eek! As the daughter of a JW, you can stick preaching/proselytizing where the sun dont shine.. I hope they stay in their lane at least. Fly, sing, take selfies with babies....

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This kind of white-savior medical missioncation also takes away much-needed support for the local medical infrastructure. Unless they're going to a very remote village, there are doctors and hospitals in the Philippines, and American doctors would provide more and more sustainable care there by donating a week of their pay and the cost of a plane ticket to the medical providers already there.  Or giving people money to access that care, if they can't afford it. This would also benefit the local economy. But then they couldn't go and play white savior and get pictures of brown people desperately needing them. And there's absolutely no reason for Lawson and Nathan to be there, without even any medical training. 

The whole thing is just so disgustingly racist. 

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6 hours ago, HurricaneBells said:

i wouldn't want them performing medical procedures 100% and I hope i didnt imply that, eek!

But that seems to be the "something" they are doing. No way Nathan would get to do any sort of dental work in America, but he runs off to different countries to do so. He isn't qualified, so doing nothing in this case is better than the something they are doing. 

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4 hours ago, lumpentheologie said:

This kind of white-savior medical missioncation also takes away much-needed support for the local medical infrastructure.

I had not thought of that. I'm sure there are locals who can do all the things Nathan and Lawson are doing, but they don't care about the damage they do, only about getting to play white savior. 

IBLP used to have a branch in that country. Gothard was all into medical stuff there. That is where he claimed he advised doctors on brain surgery and they learned about the brain/stomach connection from him, or something weird like that. Gothard was all about his followers doing things, but those things typically were not actually helpful in any way. 

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5 hours ago, lumpentheologie said:

This kind of white-savior medical missioncation also takes away much-needed support for the local medical infrastructure. Unless they're going to a very remote village, there are doctors and hospitals in the Philippines

Exactly. The Philippines is one of the world's largest exporters of medical professionals.

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9 minutes ago, HereticHick said:

The Philippines is one of the world's largest exporters of medical professionals.

Wow. I did not know that! So they really don't need Lawson and Nathan to show up to save them. 

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1 hour ago, formergothardite said:

Wow. I did not know that! So they really don't need Lawson and Nathan to show up to save them. 

Yup. They could have done so much more good by donating their plane fare to hire locals, and then staying home and working a few days at a local food bank or cleaning up litter in a national park.

https://theculturetrip.com/asia/philippines/articles/why-are-there-so-many-filipino-nurses/

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/120064/20160101/india-is-europes-largest-exporter-of-doctors-and-nurses.htm

"According to the report, India and the Philippines were the largest exporters of doctors and nurses to OECD countries"

 

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Aren't they both EMT trained? I know that doesn't qualify you for dental cleanings but they could be helpful taking vitals, cleaning wounds, etc.

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On 2/5/2019 at 5:38 PM, Kelsey said:

Aren't they both EMT trained? I know that doesn't qualify you for dental cleanings but they could be helpful taking vitals, cleaning wounds, etc.

They could be even more helpful giving the money they're spending to get out there on paying trained local people to do that.

(One of my best friends is a paramedic, and I love her dearly, but I wouldn't trust her to do dentistry on me...)

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3 hours ago, Lurky said:

They could be even more helpful giving the money they're spending to get out there on paying trained local people to do that.

(One of my best friends is a paramedic, and I love her dearly, but I wouldn't trust her to do dentistry on me...)

I don't disagree. I'm just saying they might not be completely useless.

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They can't just pay someone. They are needed to spread their toxic beliefs. Which is the real reason they are there.

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3 hours ago, Lurky said:

They could be even more helpful giving the money they're spending to get out there on paying trained local people to do that.

This is what SHOULD happen. I roll my eyes and shake my head at all the car washes and garage sales, etc that church groups do to raise money so they can all go take a vacation together. Kids, families, churches can pay for their own dang vacations. Seriously, why send a 15 y.o. to Belize to distribute candy and toys? Oh, yeah... the pamphlets, like @RosyDaisy just said. The only redeeming result I can think of is how it can open the eyes of privileged kids. But doesn't every single city in every state have impoverished areas?

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My local church started a ministry in the Philippines to provide a home for teen girls to have the opportunity to receive an education. A pastor and his wife are running the home, while the church provides support financially. I can see how a short-term mission trip can be good because people can see what they helped support and help complete pending projects.

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4 hours ago, ColeJo said:

I can see how a short-term mission trip can be good because people can see what they helped support and help complete pending projects.

This is a serious question:  why is it a better use of money to get untrained people to complete a project to an amateur level than it would be to pay local professionals to do it? 

What it sounds like you're saying is the actual benefit is because people from the church have come on a vacation to see the project themselves, and feel like they've been useful by taking 3 days to paint some rooms badly (or whatever), they're more likely to give more money to the pastor - and this means that the place isn't set up as a safe space for teen girls to be educated, but instead, a human zoo, where the young women and children are expected to be on display for US tourists to come and gawk at and take selfies with, and presumably, be grateful on tap. 

Again, why is this a better use of money than supporting existing schools?   Even if I agreed with the premise that a bunch of random people from a US church would be better at "projects" than people in the Philippines, all the money spent on plane trips, accommodation and food, travel, tourist activities, etc etc ISN'T going to support the young women. 

As @RosyDaisy says, it's all about the tracts, and converting Christians to a different kind of Christianity, because this is a "mission".  Per wikipedia, 94% of people in the Philippines are Christian:  86% Roman Catholic, 6% "various nationalized Christian cults", 2% Protestant.  

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7 hours ago, ColeJo said:

because people can see what they helped support

Pictures and videos would do the same thing. Do a live FB video. If people won't help other countries unless they can take a missioncation to the location to look at the poor people themselves then the church should probably switch to teaching members how to be decent humans. 

There is really no reason to spend lots of money to send untrained people to go complete projects instead of taking that money, putting it into the local economy and hiring locals to do the same job. 

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It's infantalizing bottom line. People dont exist for your warm and fuzzies, your photo ops, your good intentions. How would Americans react if teenagers from the Philippines or Mexico were sauntering in on the regular to do "service" projects? I, as an American, would feel terribly patronized and would think this was just teenagers on a glorified vacation because that's what it would be. 

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#1- I get that the money could be spent elsewhere and the "American savior- complex" is a problem. I am still skeptical because I wonder if more people are being equipped over in the Philippines because putting together desks isn't exactly worth the airfare. You could buy a lot of desks with the cost of airfare.

#2- For some of the teens that went, it seemed that they went for the "international experience."

#3- The FOMO is real. They talk about how you will "experience God" when you go on this trip, then you start to feel like crap because you won't go. Like going on a trip will help you experience God.

The truth is I'm trying to support the person who started this ministry and the people who are passionate about doing this for the girls there. It is difficult being the ONLY one who is skeptical. I'm usually skeptical about a lot of charities. You all have great points and it is what I have been thinking also. I try to understand why it is so necessary to have 9 teens and 3 adults go to a country to put beds together, paint walls, etc. Is it because people feel inept to be a missionary here? I try to put a positive spin on it, but there is no way that it is practical. Forgive me for trying.

 

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