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Where in the World is Doug Phillips (Who Is a Tool)? Part 9

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AnnaSofia

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To say the least...

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DomWackTroll

Ever noticed how many former VF-ers just looooove to rub Advent in the faces of their Ultra-Reformed and/or Baptist social media friends? "Call me a Catholic-- I dare ya!" James and Stacy do it, too. It's like a thing now, but I don't know why. 

 

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VVV
2 hours ago, DomWackTroll said:

Ever noticed how many former VF-ers just looooove to rub Advent in the faces of their Ultra-Reformed and/or Baptist social media friends? "Call me a Catholic-- I dare ya!" James and Stacy do it, too. It's like a thing now, but I don't know why. 

 

We observe Advent at my Baptist church but we are Cooperative Baptist Fellowship (what passes for liberal among Baptists), not SBC. And our Advent is of the liturgical, purple stole variety, not the drive-thru nativity variety. Incidentally, that particular event is really snarling up traffic on 1604, or so I am told.

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GenerationCedarchip
15 hours ago, DomWackTroll said:

Ever noticed how many former VF-ers just looooove to rub Advent in the faces of their Ultra-Reformed and/or Baptist social media friends? "Call me a Catholic-- I dare ya!" James and Stacy do it, too. It's like a thing now, but I don't know why.  

Some reformed folks are big on pointing up the difference between Advent and Christmas. They will emphasize singing the Advent songs and saving Christmas carols for actual Christmas, etc....  That's been around since I was a kid, though when VF came along there was a move to change up things and have church with little emphasis placed on Christmas, Advent, Pentecost, etc.. on church calendars because they were big on Sunday being the Lord's Day and every Lord's Day being worthy of equal worship.

There have also been a fair number of folks I know in VF circles who have left reformed churches for traditional Anglican or Lutheran churches and some of them are quite vocal about celebrating the whole traditional church calendar. I can't speak for them in general but for some I know personally, I think it was a reaction against the VF emphasis on not making a big deal of Christmas and other holidays.

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Columbia
1 hour ago, RebelliousEscapee said:

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I wish that surprised me. 

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AnnaSofia

The main post and the rest of the comments seem legit, but the sex trafficking comment sounds a little *too* on the nose, like someone is trolling.

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hoipolloi
13 hours ago, AnnaSofia said:

The main post and the rest of the comments seem legit, but the sex trafficking comment sounds a little *too* on the nose, like someone is trolling.

Perhaps. The commenter's name (Joyelle Stoltzfus) is not familiar to me -- were she and/or her family VF true believers? 

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GenerationCedarchip
29 minutes ago, hoipolloi said:

Perhaps. The commenter's name (Joyelle Stoltzfus) is not familiar to me -- were she and/or her family VF true believers? 

I don't know if they were VF inner circle or not, but I knew the family slightly through my extended family. Her parents were missionaries overseas for a bit but my understanding is that they got sucked into SAHD and some of the other VF beliefs once they got back home.  IIRC, Joyelle is the oldest child and she was a SAHD for a while and taught piano from the home.  However, I don't want to identify the family because, as far as I'm aware, they're not intenet-famous or public figures.

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Leftitinmysnood

Valerie is definitely legit. That post was talked about here and it made the rounds in ex fundie circles. Perhaps Joyelle is referencing the practice of betrothing daughters, giving dowries, etc, popular in some circles. And don't forget Vaughn Olhman and his matchmaking camp that was referred to here and on other sites as child trafficking. 

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Flyinthesoup
3 minutes ago, GenerationCedarchip said:

I don't know if they were VF inner circle or not, but I knew the family slightly through my extended family. Her parents were missionaries overseas for a bit but my understanding is that they got sucked into SAHD and some of the other VF beliefs once they got back home.  IIRC, Joyelle is the oldest child and she was a SAHD for a while and taught piano from the home.  However, I don't want to identify the family because, as far as I'm aware, they're not intenet-famous or public figures.

Her last name is familiar to me.  Was that part of the Charity Church?

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hoipolloi
31 minutes ago, Leftitinmysnood said:

Valerie is definitely legit. That post was talked about here and it made the rounds in ex fundie circles.

Yes, I recall we discussed that when it first appeared. Valerie's situation was terrible.

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AnnaSofia
39 minutes ago, Leftitinmysnood said:

Perhaps Joyelle is referencing the practice of betrothing daughters, giving dowries, etc, popular in some circles. And don't forget Vaughn Olhman and his matchmaking camp that was referred to here and on other sites as child trafficking. 

Yes, you could be right.

The whole "Former SAHDs talking about VF sex trafficking" just sounded a little too much like fundie-watcher fan fiction. Of course, if you'd told me, pre-Tool 'O ween, that Doug was jerking off on the nanny, I would have probably said the same thing, so what do I know? :pb_lol:

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refugee
On 12/11/2018 at 7:07 PM, RebelliousEscapee said:

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That was an interesting post and comment stream. Thanks for linking.

On 12/12/2018 at 11:02 AM, hoipolloi said:

Yes, I recall we discussed that when it first appeared. Valerie's situation was terrible.

How would I find that discussion, please?

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hoipolloi
22 minutes ago, refugee said:

How would I find that discussion, please?

Using the search button, I got to this FJ thread from about a year and a half ago, when Valerie Jacobsen first started posting about it on FB. You'll find more there and possibly elsewhere but I think that was the main discussion.

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AnnaSofia

Hmm....

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Howl

Are these recent posts, @AnnaSofia?

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AnnaSofia

From today, I believe. I took the screenshot just a minute or two before posting it here, so the Facebook timestamps should be pretty inline with that.

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Howl

I'll follow this with great interest.  I'm guessing this refers for forced marriage, but will wait for clarification. 

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