Josie and Kelton 2: Kelton Gets His Happily Ever After

[Naughty&nice]

I think the Cove is the priciest room in Atlantis.  It looks like it might be adults only and $500 a night! I cant wait to see if I am wrong & UPTV really did film this. Its gonna be highly entertaining if they did.   Do you think they will blur out the bikini bodies in the background?  Or only film at dinner?

On 10/19/2018 at 6:53 AM, formergothardite said:

Josie and Carlin will probably adopt a more mainstream clothing look but I don't see any real changes coming to their beliefs. At least not any time soon and as long as they are in their little bubble of evangelical white privilege. 

Evangelical white privilege?  I’ve never heard that one before. Are you just using that as an adjective or do you think evangelicals have privilege too?  I mostly see them being made fun of, especially when their beliefs have them adopting such strange, outside the norm behaviors, like girls not wearing pants & 20 yearolds who have to be chaperoned at all times & discouraged from working.  

[Hisey]

23 minutes ago, Naughty&nice said:

I think the Cove is the priciest room in Atlantis.  It looks like it might be adults only and $500 a night! I cant wait to see if I am wrong & UPTV really did film this. Its gonna be highly entertaining if they did.   Do you think they will blur out the bikini bodies in the background?  Or only film at dinner?

Evangelical white privilege?  I’ve never heard that one before. Are you just using that as an adjective or do you think evangelicals have privilege too?  I mostly see them being made fun of, especially when their beliefs have them adopting such strange, outside the norm behaviors, like girls not wearing pants & 20 yearolds who have to be chaperoned at all times & discouraged from working.  

It is a strange comment. There are plenty of black evangelicals. In fact, there are evangelicals of all colors, in all parts of the world

There's a lot of things wrong with the Bates family, but the fact that they are white is not one of them.

[formergothardite]

12 hours ago, Naughty&nice said:

or do you think evangelicals have privilege too?  

  What I meant is right now they live in a bubble where they are surrounded by mostly white people(it was looked it up before and their area is something like 96% white) who share their evangelical beliefs. Sure we snark on them here, but even the mainstream evangelicals I know think the Bates are really awesome and shouldn't be criticized for being skirts only.

They aren't really forced outside their bubble to learn how their beliefs might impact others. They stay pretty protected in being with people who are not going to challenge them. There is white privilege, something they don't seem to grasp at all based on their shrine to racism. And when you live in an area where most of the people share most of your beliefs. there can be bit of a sense of privilege as compared to if you were in an area where your particular set of beliefs are not predominate. Tennessee has the highest rate of evangelicals in America. Evangelical Christians are the largest religious affiliation in the South.

I grew up in that bubble too and it was easy to have the feeling no one should be able to criticize evangelicals. That we were entitled to get to use the government to force our beliefs on everyone. It was college before I had the opportunity to really get to know someone who didn't share my core evangelical beliefs and I exposed to how my beliefs might negatively impact others. If I had never gotten outside my bubble, there is a chance I would be an entitled, Trump loving evangelical right now. 

While some of the Bates might break out without that, I don't think the older ones are going to unless they move outside their bubble that is dominated by white evangelicals who share their core beliefs. Right now they don't have any reason to start questioning their beliefs or consider that what they believe might cause harm to others. 

[QuiverDance]

16 hours ago, Naughty&nice said:

I think the Cove is the priciest room in Atlantis.  It looks like it might be adults only and $500 a night! I cant wait to see if I am wrong & UPTV really did film this. Its gonna be highly entertaining if they did.   Do you think they will blur out the bikini bodies in the background?  Or only film at dinner?

Evangelical white privilege?  I’ve never heard that one before. Are you just using that as an adjective or do you think evangelicals have privilege too?  I mostly see them being made fun of, especially when their beliefs have them adopting such strange, outside the norm behaviors, like girls not wearing pants & 20 yearolds who have to be chaperoned at all times & discouraged from working.  

Evangelical and white is very much the norm where I live, and I would tend to agree with the poster who characterized them as "privileged."  When I first moved to Tennessee after growing up in a predominantly Catholic community in Louisiana and living in New Orleans, I was in for some culture shock.  While devout Catholics tend to be conservative, they also don't (in my experience) discuss religion or Jesus all of the time.   For one thing, the very first question people ask you when you meet them is where you go to church, which absolutely grates.  An cursory "I'm a Catholic," generally shuts down the religion conversation quickly, so I've learned to use it.  Professionally, I constantly encounter people who want me to have a blessed day or feel the presence of the Lord in our endeavors.  All of the overt and constant references to religion grate on my nerves.  

 

[OyToTheVey]

42 minutes ago, QuiverDance said:

Evangelical and white is very much the norm where I live, and I would tend to agree with the poster who characterized them as "privileged."  When I first moved to Tennessee after growing up in a predominantly Catholic community in Louisiana and living in New Orleans, I was in for some culture shock.  While devout Catholics tend to be conservative, they also don't (in my experience) discuss religion or Jesus all of the time.   For one thing, the very first question people ask you when you meet them is where you go to church, which absolutely grates.  An cursory "I'm a Catholic," generally shuts down the religion conversation quickly, so I've learned to use it.  Professionally, I constantly encounter people who want me to have a blessed day or feel the presence of the Lord in our endeavors.  All of the overt and constant references to religion grate on my nerves.  

 

TBH I'm not sure how that's a privilege. It's a topic of religion but I don't see how it's a privilege. It's just something that group of people are used to saying. 

[QuiverDance]

1 hour ago, OyToTheVey said:

TBH I'm not sure how that's a privilege. It's a topic of religion but I don't see how it's a privilege. It's just something that group of people are used to saying. 

Inherent in privilege is the assumption that everyone either looks, thinks, and believes the way you do, or SHOULD look, think, and believe the way you do, because that way is the correct way.  When you live in a very homogenous community, that privilege is constantly reinforced.  It leads to ignorant and rude, pointedly religious questions of strangers.  That is only one example of many.  @formergothardite laid it out really well, so I don't see any need to add more. 

[TeaELSee]

1 hour ago, OyToTheVey said:

TBH I'm not sure how that's a privilege. It's a topic of religion but I don't see how it's a privilege. It's just something that group of people are used to saying. 

I’m from southern Wisconsin and Northern Illinois. I would be offended and shocked if someone asked me that question.  I have moved at least 10 times as an adult and I don’t recall being asked that question when meeting someone.

eta. My neighbors are super religious and they have never even asked me. I must have resting atheist face.

[Pecansforeveryone]

@formergothardite is spot on. White evangelical Christianity is very privilaged. They are very privileged while thinking they are persecuted in a country where they are as much as 70% of the population. This "persecution hard on" translates into commercial success for persecution "porn" God' Not Dead 1, 2, and 3. 

[formergothardite]

I get asked that on a regular basis. We had a tree removed recently and one of the first questions when the guy came out was "where do you go to church". 

There is very much a sense of entitlement and privilege when someone is raised in and never leaves the white evangelical bubble the Bates live in. Like @Pecansforeveryone, said, it creates this environment where just allowing others equality is viewed as persecution since the evangelical way is the only way and everyone else should just cater to them.

 

[Pecansforeveryone]

@formergothardite, has been very generous in sharing her story. I was raised in and spent my 20s in an evangelical bubble. I attended public schools all my life. I graduated from a state university with 4 seperate evangelical student ministries. (Campus Crusade for Christ, Intervarsity Fellowship, Chi Alpha which was Assemblies of God, and Baptist Student Fellowship.) This occured in various parts of Arizona including Tucson which leans very blue and Flagstaff which is a hotbed for the "New Age" movement. The bubble is real. It's very real. 

[Coconut Flan]

Carry on here: