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nastyhobbitses
On 8/9/2018 at 11:19 PM, viii said:

I think it's fair to call ZZ out on her treatment of Chloe as a baby, and even the tongue tie, but I think it's too far to bring the death of a baby into it. Tasteless. 

It's tasteless and perhaps it should not have been brought up, but it's true. Chloe was conceived to be the replacement for Jachin, she had the misfortune to be born a girl, and a combination of already being overwhelmed by too many children, the fog of grief that wouldn't lift, and (IMO) resentment that Chloe wasn't the promised boy who would fill the hole that Jachin left, led Zsu to neglect Chloe. 

Also, fuck you, Zsu. And if you want to bash female engineers and scientists, then you can fuck right off from using WiFi (Hedy Lamarr), using modern computers at all (Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper, Elise Harmon), having your babies' health assessed quickly after birth (Virginia Apgar), getting X-rays (Marie Curie), making coffee with a filter (Melitta Benz), ironing on good ironing boards (Sarah Boone), and wearing bras (Hermine Cadolle). And don't fucking fellate law enforcement anymore, because the inventor of Kevlar was a woman (Stephanie Kwolek). 

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acheronbeach
1 hour ago, viii said:

OMG I loved her dating show. I'm going to have to go to her instagram now and see what she's been up to. 

White supremacy (no, really), thinking transgender people are pedophilic demons, and hating on Catholics, it seems.  She and Zsu should get together for tea and conversation - though Zsu would probably recoil at such a Mary Magdalene. 

 

(and before anyone asks, yes, I know Mary Magdelene probably wasn't a "formerly sinful/former prostitute"... I meant it metaphorically)

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Terrie
2 hours ago, viii said:

OMG I loved her dating show. I'm going to have to go to her instagram now and see what she's been up to. 

Hitler apologism and throwing in with the alt-right, mainly.

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countressrascal
On 8/9/2018 at 4:16 PM, JermajestyDuggar said:

She’s so fucking gross. She’s exploited by her husband and her two oldest daughters are exploited by her!

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Thank you Zsu for telling me that I have been exploited all these years. I have some information for you-once Chole leaves the house she can do anything she wants and you have no say.  Secondly, if you can not gotten rid of all the toys she would have been playing with a shape toy where she would match the shape to the hole. She right on track in eye hand coordination. Get over yourself.

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Hisey
22 hours ago, nastyhobbitses said:

Chloe was conceived to be the replacement for Jachin, she had the misfortune to be born a girl, and a combination of already being overwhelmed by too many children, the fog of grief that wouldn't lift, and (IMO) resentment that Chloe wasn't the promised boy who would fill the hole that Jachin left, led Zsu to neglect Chloe. 

I don't like ZZ, but it's stretching it to say she was "conceived to be the replacement for Jachin." The lady has a baby every 1.5-2 years. It would have been strange if she *didn't* have a baby after Jachin. Boaz is 4, Chloe is 2. Chloe was just the next baby to come along.

It's possible, in the dim recesses of her mind, that she hoped for another boy so she wouldn't have to face the pain of losing Jachin. But we don't know that. 

I think Chloe was starved because PP didn't want to spend the money. He wanted to spend it on trips. He wasn't home enough to notice Chloe's starvation, and he didn't really believe ZZ. I also suspect that the PP is abusive, so ZZ may not have had the energy/courage/strength to fight him on this one. I don't think ZZ  has $1000+ to spend on a medical procedure without her husband's consent.

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JermajestyDuggar
21 minutes ago, Hisey said:

I don't like ZZ, but it's stretching it to say she was "conceived to be the replacement for Jachin." The lady has a baby every 1.5-2 years. It would have been strange if she *didn't* have a baby after Jachin. Boaz is 4, Chloe is 2. Chloe was just the next baby to come along.

It's possible, in the dim recesses of her mind, that she hoped for another boy so she wouldn't have to face the pain of losing Jachin. But we don't know that. 

I think Chloe was starved because PP didn't want to spend the money. He wanted to spend it on trips. He wasn't home enough to notice Chloe's starvation, and he didn't really believe ZZ. I also suspect that the PP is abusive, so ZZ may not have had the energy/courage/strength to fight him on this one. I don't think ZZ  has $1000+ to spend on a medical procedure without her husband's consent.

I disagree. 

Did you watch it unfold in real time? Zoo constantly made posts about how cute it was that Chloe fit into doll clothing for months after she was born. She knew she had a tongue tie and knew she wasn’t growing. She was the first child Zoo night weaned and did cry-it-out with her. She cried for hours because she was hungry. Why no bottles of breast milk or formula for Chloe? Peter gets bottles of formula. Why wasn’t Chloe given that privelege? Bottles of formula or breast milk would have helped the tongue tie situation. Why was Chloe treated so differently from Peter?

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nomoxian
2 hours ago, Hisey said:

I think Chloe was starved because PP didn't want to spend the money. He wanted to spend it on trips. He wasn't home enough to notice Chloe's starvation, and he didn't really believe ZZ. I also suspect that the PP is abusive, so ZZ may not have had the energy/courage/strength to fight him on this one. I don't think ZZ  has $1000+ to spend on a medical procedure without her husband's consent.

I am not super familiar with the US health system, except that you usually have to pay for everything, but couldn't she have gone to the ER and say that her baby isn't eating and is lethargic? Like not say "my baby has a tongue tie" but talk about symptoms which are associated with it, but also more alarming things. They would weigh her, see that she is underweight, and then see the tongue tie during the exam. Is something like that considered threatening enough for them to take care of?

Bit of thread drift here, but I looked at Tila Tequila / Tornado Thiens Youtube page, and she seems to have some sort of mental issues.

 

 

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On one hand it's nice to see Zsu so proud of and show-offy when it comes to Chloe. Abundant praise for something well within the realms of being average is something that I've seen many parents indulge in because I bet it feels good to be so proud of your kid. It's a welcome contrast to Chloe being 'greedy' (like no shit, a starved baby likes to eat?? no way!!??!!), or slow or lazy (the last two are a reference to how Zsu was going on about Chloe being the  one of the ((if not THE)) oldest to learn how to walk). It's lovely to see that, for a few posts at least, Zsu was happy enough with Chloe that she wanted to share Chloe's (again, adorably average) achievements with the world. It's a nice, normal parent thing to do. 

And then, because she's Zsu, she just had to go and ruin it by throwing working women under the bus. Typical. 

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Katieisuncool
1 hour ago, nomoxian said:

Bit of thread drift here, but I looked at Tila Tequila / Tornado Thiens Youtube page, and she seems to have some sort of mental issues.

 

 

It's scary. Especially the fact that a child is involved and hearing these disgusting statements.

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As a working mom I am not a slave. You however Zsu are.  At anytime I can tell my husband FU and walk out the door.  We are partners and we respect and support each other.  Steve neither respects nor supports you.  I am not even sure if he loves you.  You, like the children, are a prop to his acting career as a preacher.

My sisters are both engineers and working Moms.  The three of us dress well, have a housekeeper, live in beautiful homes where our kids have their own rooms.  Zsu, your kids live in horrible, filthy conditions, and are receiving a sub-par education.  

Zsu this Thanksgiving think of us.  We will be at Walt Disney World.  There will be 18 of us having  a beautiful Thanksgiving dinner celebrating FAMILY.  The cousins will be together having  a grand time with each other.  

Zsu, my recommendation to you is to get your education and get a job. You are too smart to live in the crappy conditions you live in.  Put your kids in school so they are educated.  It’s time to put your big girl pants on and GROW UP!!!

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viii
5 hours ago, Katieisuncool said:

It's scary. Especially the fact that a child is involved and hearing these disgusting statements.

Judging from her instagram, she just had a second baby. How terrifying that this woman is so mentally unstable and is responsible for the well being of two young impressionable humans. 

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Hisey
20 hours ago, nomoxian said:

I am not super familiar with the US health system, except that you usually have to pay for everything, but couldn't she have gone to the ER and say that her baby isn't eating and is lethargic? Like not say "my baby has a tongue tie" but talk about symptoms which are associated with it, but also more alarming things.

Well, first of all, ERs in the US are only mandated to care for emergencies. No ER doc is going to call this is an emergency, no matter how "alarming" you make the symptoms sound. An underweight baby, while concerning, is not the same as someone dying of a heart attack. They are legally allowed to send you away for coming to the ER for something like this (though they won't). 

Instead, they will examine the baby, maybe give her some fluids, and give you a referral to a specialist (who will charge you the going rate for snipping). ER docs never do tongue ties, I wouldn't want one doing his first on my baby.

And you will get a bill for that exam. Just because it's the ER doesn't mean they don't bill you.

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Hisey
22 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I disagree. 

Did you watch it unfold in real time? Zoo constantly made posts about how cute it was that Chloe fit into doll clothing for months after she was born. She knew she had a tongue tie and knew she wasn’t growing. She was the first child Zoo night weaned and did cry-it-out with her. She cried for hours because she was hungry. Why no bottles of breast milk or formula for Chloe? Peter gets bottles of formula. Why wasn’t Chloe given that privelege? Bottles of formula or breast milk would have helped the tongue tie situation. Why was Chloe treated so differently from Peter?

I did watch it unfold in real time. I've been following ZZ since Anna was born.

I guess I was unclear. I definitely think that ZZ knows what a healthy baby looks like. Clearly, on some level, she knew something was wrong with Chloe. If she had a loving supportive husband, I think they would have found the money and done the tongue tie.

But ZZ has a husband who is an egomaniac. In a household with 9 kids, where money must be tight, he chooses to travel around the world. That's expensive! I am sure he had a better use for that $1000 (I'm guess here on the cost). In the rush of getting kicked out of yet another country, I bet he barely listened to ZZ's thoughts about Chloe, and just said, "Let's wait and see." He needed that money, doesn't have a lot of respect for women's opinions, and besides, there's another customs official come to talk to him! Gotta get off the phone.

When you live with a husband like that, you have to have a certain level of denial to maintain your sanity. I think ZZ convinced herself Chloe was just adorably small. . her other girls are small, after all.  In her world, there's a lot of cultural acceptance for calling girls "tiny" and boys like Peter "husky" and "fat."

Denial, grief, and depression, plus the chaotic noise of 8 other kids and a thousand chores. . .all that led to Chloe's neglect, IMO. ZZ is a monster, a homophobe, she is smug and she is mean, but the one thing she likes to do is feed her kids. And she loves her kids as individuals more than the other fundies we see. I don't think it is an unconditional love, but I do think she loves them as individual little people, which puts her way ahead of other fundies.

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1 minute ago, Hisey said:

I did watch it unfold in real time. I've been following ZZ since Anna was born.

I guess I was unclear. I definitely think that ZZ knows what a healthy baby looks like. Clearly, on some level, she knew something was wrong with Chloe. If she had a loving supportive husband, I think they would have found the money and done the tongue tie.

But ZZ has a husband who is an egomaniac. In a household with 9 kids, where money must be tight, he chooses to travel around the world. That's expensive! I am sure he had a better use for that $1000 (I'm guess here on the cost). In the rush of getting kicked out of yet another country, I bet he barely listened to ZZ's thoughts about Chloe, and just said, "Let's wait and see." He needed that money, doesn't have a lot of respect for women's opinions, and besides, there's another customs official come to talk to him! Gotta get off the phone.

When you live with a husband like that, you have to have a certain level of denial to maintain your sanity. I think ZZ convinced herself Chloe was just adorably small, like her other girls are. In her world, there's a lot of cultural acceptance for calling girls "tiny" and boys like Peter "husky" and "fat."

Denial, grief, and depression, plus the chaotic noise of 8 other kids and a thousand chores. . .all that led to Chloe's neglect, IMO. ZZ is a monster, a homophobe, she is smug and she is mean, but the one thing she likes to do is feed her kids. And she loves her kids as individuals more than the other fundies we see. I don't think it is an unconditional love, but I do think she loves them as individual little people, which puts her way ahead of other fundies.

But fixing the tongue tie was NOT her only choice. She could have given Chloe bottles of formula or breast milk. But she didn’t. Yet she very quickly gave Peter bottles of formula even though he was a healthy weight. 

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If Chloe was born in a hospital it would have been addressed when the baby was not latching on to the boob or during a routine pediatric evaluation before discharge.  If it was serious the surgery would have been done right then and there.  

There are tons of programs in the USA to get free or low cost medical treatment for children.  The tongue issue could have been easily dealt with minimal financial impact to the family. This is not an ER issue.

Zsu has evolved into a mean hateful person.   She doesn’t see that the person Zsu hates the most is herself.  Zsu is in a horrible predicament with no way to escape.  

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apandaaries

Speaking of neglect, whatever happened to that dog they adopted? The one Zsu said would be useful for breeding and extra income in the future -- any info out there?

Fundies should not be in charge of living creatures. :shakehead:

 

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JermajestyDuggar
4 minutes ago, apandaaries said:

Speaking of neglect, whatever happened to that dog they adopted? The one Zsu said would be useful for breeding and extra income in the future -- any info out there?

Fundies should not be in charge of living creatures. :shakehead:

 

That dog is long gone. She never said they got rid of it but it’s obvious. The dog was never mentioned again after the initial post. The chickens are gone too. She did post about getting rid of them. All they have is a black cat.  I really hope they never acquire another animal. They surely won’t keep it. 

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Hisey
7 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

But fixing the tongue tie was NOT her only choice. She could have given Chloe bottles of formula or breast milk. But she didn’t. Yet she very quickly gave Peter bottles of formula even though he was a healthy weight. 

Of course she had other choices. She had plenty. You are preaching to the converted.

She was in denial about Chloe's condition, because she needed to believe her husband is right and that Chloe would eventually begin to grow. Denial + unresolved grief + depression = really bad choice for her baby.

I believe she had other babies with unresolved tongue ties, so she probably convinced herself that Chloe would eventually thrive in the same way they did.

On top of that, she is really committed to being the best/most holistic/most natural mom on the planet. She had always breastfed, it was part of her schtick. You and I--we would have thought of bottle-feeding right away, if our child was getting inadequate nutrition due to tongue tie. To ZZ, it probably wasn't even on her radar for a while. She was busy sneering at moms in the church nursery who were offering their babies a bottle. Besides, she'd breastfed for the last 15 years and this baby was going to be breastfed too!

She was clearly wrong, she knows it now, and I suspect that's why she switched Peter to bottles so easily. When he really didn't even need to be switched. "I guess this is not so bad, and gee, it is a whole lot easier. . ."

You can see ZZ's denial in play in lots of situations. Does she really believe that that crappy workbook-based education is a good one? Does she really believe that having another baby would be good for that family? She is not a stupid person. She denies things so she can believe her life choice (marrying PP) was a good one.

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She has not gotten over Jachin's death, it is creepy that they have a picture of Boaz as an infant with wings on him hanging in their living room. It is the only picture on that wall. Anna almost died at birth because of some issues at birth I can't remember what they were, I have no desire to go back to read the birth story nor do I remember because it was while I had regular contract with her. 

Chloe's tongue tied and being starved-it was not money issue but she did not want to deal with the after care. She rented a hospital scale to weigh Chloe, purchased the breast feeding guards to help Chloe breast feed, plus went to a lactation counselor who told her that the tongue tied needed to be fixed.By the way she did the same thing with Boaz but not for as long.  No- Zsu was  going to make it work, she spent more money on all of this that the getting it fixed.  When she got Boaz's done there were complications because she did not follow post op instruction so she did not want to do it. Finally she did. Usually tongue tied is taken care of 6-9 weeks post postpartum, unless the child is in NICU or has other issues. Doing it at that time the pain for the child is minimal plus post op care is easy. However, some parents are so concerned about the pain issue is that they delay it, dumb decision. Solomon,  Isaac and John had their done last summer but she said that the girls and Stephen could decide later if they wanted it done, Zsu step up as a parent and do the best for your children. 

She can make her male children go to work at 14, which she thinks is preparing them for the future however their education is going to set them back so much. They are being set up to be the working poor unless they become professional grifter like their father. That only works as long as the economy is good. She always says that her children are going to be life long learners and that they will have good jobs because they are willing to work-except on Sunday and Wednesday night. Your homeschool program sucks. 

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Especially for a girl? Girls are just as smart and intelligent as boys are. 

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Hisey

ZZ didn’t want the extra work of the after care....interesting theory, but buying a hospital scale, seeing a lactation consultant, buying and using breat guards and dealing with a hungry, cranky, crying baby sounds like much more work than the aftercare would’ve been.

I wonder if she just didnt want to give up on breastfeeding. Maybe it’s too much a part of her identity 

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On 8/13/2018 at 4:36 PM, Katieisuncool said:

Do you guys remember Tila Tequila? She now goes by the name Tornado Tien and thinks she's a prophet of God. She does the same thing. On her Instagram she'll delete any comments she dislikes. 

And I totally think she needs her own subforum on FJ. 

Tila is off her rocker. Does she associate with any church community?

I have never seen her associate with any church so maybe she's part of this "home church" movement. Maybe there is not a single denomination that will accept her?

I see her on Instagram quoting the bible, going off on crazy rants that are so vehemently vile and full of vitriol. Then she makes fun of people in Youtube videos and encourages her daughter to participate.

She doesn't sound educated or seem to have an understanding that the verses she is talking about/quotes are in the context of the end times and the end times have not begun. Then again, did she ever make an ounce of sense?

Tila is not a prophet for God; she is a prophet of CRAZY.

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19 hours ago, cupcake said:

Tila is off her rocker. Does she associate with any church community?

I have never seen her associate with any church so maybe she's part of this "home church" movement. Maybe there is not a single denomination that will accept her?

I see her on Instagram quoting the bible, going off on crazy rants that are so vehemently vile and full of vitriol. Then she makes fun of people in Youtube videos and encourages her daughter to participate.

She doesn't sound educated or seem to have an understanding that the verses she is talking about/quotes are in the context of the end times and the end times have not begun. Then again, did she ever make an ounce of sense?

Tila is not a prophet for God; she is a prophet of CRAZY.

I feel really sorry for her daughter. Learning so much hate from a young age on is so so bad. I really hope there are people in her life that are able to teach her love and respect.*

 

*while typing this I realized that my words also apply to the Anderson kids. 100%!

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On 8/19/2018 at 2:58 AM, ophelia said:

I feel really sorry for her daughter. Learning so much hate from a young age on is so so bad.

You can see in the video the way the kid is performing for Mommy. Her laughing seems very prompted by her mother's laughing. 

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